Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. -- Failing

[The-Doctor]

Agents of shield is not about the super heroes it's a side bar to the big avenger films showing the other things shield does beside superheroes. Haven't seen season two but enjoyed the first one. Loved the nick fury episode in season one.

"Explain to me again how you broke my very expensive plane?"

 

[RDKirk]

Agents of shield is not about the super heroes it's a side bar to the big avenger films showing the other things shield does beside superheroes. Haven't seen season two but enjoyed the first one. Loved the nick fury episode in season one.

"Explain to me again how you broke my very expensive plane?"

I think MAOS must be about superheroes--or, rather, about mortals dealing with super villains--because that's what S.H.E.I.L.D. was always about.

Otherwise, it's just "Mission Impossible," "Man from UNCLE," "James Bond," or any of a number of secret squirrel vehicles.

 

[desmalia]

That seem promising to me too at first but Joss Whedon actually has VERY little to do with this show, as I've recently learned. I think he was involved with the pilot but that's about it :/
He shows up in the beginning credits in every episode but he really doesn't have a lot to do with it.

Hmmm, well that explains a lot. What a shame.

 

[miss-a]

Here's the thing, though, gang. We have to remember that we are grading on a bell curve, and that gives Agents of Sheild a pretty high score. There's so little worth watching on television that once we compare it to the other poo-poo available, it suddenly stands out as top notch entertainment. I look forward to it and appreciate the good, clean fun.

 

[Bananagator]

Here's the thing, though, gang. We have to remember that we are grading on a bell curve, and that gives Agents of Sheild a pretty high score. There's so little worth watching on television that once we compare it to the other poo-poo available, it suddenly stands out as top notch entertainment. I look forward to it and appreciate the good, clean fun.

You do have a point. I'd rather rather Agents of Shield than MOST things on TV today

I'll start watching it again the next time it's on... whenever that is... and have hopes that the plot's actually going to go somewhere soon.

 

[CounselorForChrist]

I'm starting to lose some interest with it now. I don't care to much about Skye anymore or the other characters aside from Coulson. Who was the only reason I really watched it to begin with. There are to many "human" stories about non-powered humans with alien weapons and stuff. I wouldn't mind seeing actual powered people doing things instead.

With shows like Lost, Fringe, XFiles you got something every week that tended to draw you in and made you think. With this show its starting to be just "Our mission is to do the same thing as last week pretty much!".

 

[WalksWithChrist]

I've been enjoying the show so far. I read some of the old comics dealing with S.H.I.E.L.D. back in the day. So I'm familiar with all that. Still, the show is solid so far. It's "Agents" of S.H.I.E.L.D. not an extension of Avengers, which I was halfway expecting at first. The show is progressing nicely and I look forward to the new episodes.

I like how it really is more about the agents that the supers. More of a human storyline than a superhuman one.

I liked Colson in the movies and like him even more in the series.

 

[desmalia]

I've been enjoying the show so far. I read some of the old comics dealing with S.H.I.E.L.D. back in the day. So I'm familiar with all that. Still, the show is solid so far. It's "Agents" of S.H.I.E.L.D. not an extension of Avengers, which I was halfway expecting at first. The show is progressing nicely and I look forward to the new episodes.

I like how it really is more about the agents that the supers. More of a human storyline than a superhuman one.

I liked Colson in the movies and like him even more in the series.

I'm inclined to agree. Initially I was not so impressed, but I think they are gaining steam now and developing some decent story lines, particularly with Colson.

 

[FaeryChild]

Well, on the one hand, I've never been into Marvel and/or comic books in general... on the other hand, I'm a long time fan of Joss Whedon. I have recently started watching Agents (and related movies for context), have not yet formed an opinion...

 

[RDKirk]

The latest episode meshes with the current Captain America movie (if you want to know where Nick Fury is and what he's been doing).

Unfortunately it has a lot of "dummy plot" elements, as in "there would be no plot if people weren't dummies."

For instance, Skye calls Grant from the secret bunker on an unsecured cell phone and gives Grant (who is somehow the unquestioned sole survivor of the HYDRA attack on the Icebox) the coordinates of their location.

What?

How does the cell phone have a connection deep in an underground shelter 'way out in the deep Canadian wilderness?

With all the forces of the US government--not to mention SHIELD capabilities hijacked by HYDRA--(which one is controlling the NSA?) seaching for them, she makes an unsecured call and gives away their location?

Even if the call was encrypted, they have reason to believe that all SHIELD codes have been compromised.

No question at all of how Grant survived the HYDRA attack on the Icebox? No debriefing?

 

[RDKirk]

What are some of the moral issues being addressed now by both "Winter Soldier" and the series?

We saw Captain America uncomfortable with the concept of SHIELD from the last CA movie as well as The Avengers. The organization has been heavy handed from the beginning, with only Coulson showing a bit of a human face.

Now we see a bifurcation of that heavy-handedness. Some of it has been a manifestation of Fury's character, but some of it has been from HYDRA.

Fury's character seems to have both fed and been fed by HYDRA. Did Redford's character become vulnerable to HYDRA as a result of Fury's influence (as his own testimony seems to say), or was he already HYDRA and saw Fury's character as a tool of manipulation?

Looking back on all the movies as well as the series, where can we see the "hand of HYDRA" operating within SHIELD?

 

[keith99]

Am I the only one annoyed by that kind of teaser? "Let's do something ambiguous to make them keep watching to find out what it is."

That's not what good suspenseful plotting really is. Good suspenseful plotting actually keeps feeding you information, like stepping stones across a stream. It doesn't throw MacGuffins at the audience.

I remember something a really good director said about suspense.

Suspense is not having a bomb go off. It is having a bomb ticking away in a room that the viewer knows about but the characters do not.

Ambiguous is the flip side of a bomb going off out of nowhere.

A great writer can give the sense that something big is going to happen without giving more than a vague idea about swath it is. A good, but not quite good enough writer who tries this fails miserably, even when he really falls just a tiny bit short.

 

[Bananagator]

I have to say, I am starting to enjoy this show more after the last few episodes hahaha.


Spoilers...?


I really hope they keep Ward a villain. Like, I hope it doesn't turn out that he's brainwashed/a double agent or something.
I'm actually looking forward to new episodes now lol. Erm, except that there's only what, like 2 left before the season ends?

 

[CounselorForChrist]

We saw Captain America uncomfortable with the concept of SHIELD

Behind the greatness of the movie I wonder how many people noticed the (what should be obvious) attack on drones being use to watch us, more so ones with weapons. Its a very good wake up call to those who still think drones with weapons are not a big deal.

I'd rather have weaponless one watch me then one that can kill me. At least Cap was from a time when he knew what freedom was and at least he now sees in modern times that the freedom he died (sort of) for is not what he though freedom would be. He even says in he movie he basically feels lost. Hes questioning what he sees going on.

 

[desmalia]

I have to say, I am starting to enjoy this show more after the last few episodes hahaha.


Spoilers...?


I really hope they keep Ward a villain. Like, I hope it doesn't turn out that he's brainwashed/a double agent or something.
I'm actually looking forward to new episodes now lol. Erm, except that there's only what, like 2 left before the season ends?

I totally agree! I like Ward way more as a villain. He was so boring before. I'm guessing they will do as you say and make him brainwashed or something like that. But in the meantime he's far more interesting, especially with Sky having figured it out and rising to the challenge of dealing with him.

Behind the greatness of the movie I wonder how many people noticed the (what should be obvious) attack on drones being use to watch us, more so ones with weapons. Its a very good wake up call to those who still think drones with weapons are not a big deal.

I'd rather have weaponless one watch me then one that can kill me. At least Cap was from a time when he knew what freedom was and at least he now sees in modern times that the freedom he died (sort of) for is not what he though freedom would be. He even says in he movie he basically feels lost. Hes questioning what he sees going on.

Also true! Government control like that most often ends up being a horrific breach on human rights.

 

[RDKirk]

The first show of this season had a bit of murkiness to it--they probably tried to re-introduce too many of the trainling ends from last season into it.

But for those who haven't seen it yet, there is a surprising and sad "Aw, man, really?" at the end.

 

[Bananagator]

The first show of this season had a bit of murkiness to it--they probably tried to re-introduce too many of the trainling ends from last season into it.

But for those who haven't seen it yet, there is a surprising and sad "Aw, man, really?" at the end.

I just had the episode on in the background as I was doing other other stuff so I didn't really know what was going on.
But yeah, the surprise ending was sad and now I want to know what happens with that. Lol

I just hope the show keeps improving, as it got pretty good at the end of the first season

 

[James Is Back]

The question is what's going to happen to Nick Fury as he's no longer director of S.H.I.E.L.D.

 

[RDKirk]

I don't think the show is failing right now. It's helped by the tie-in to the movies, better plots, and better characterization of the main characters.

I think essentially destroying SHIELD is dicey, but we'll see.