Age of the earth.

[Diamond7]

Scientists are basing their dating methods on assumptions as if on week one of creation everything should’ve appeared as if they were one week old.

There are many many things used to determine the age of the universe. With Darwin the main area was geology. James Hutton (1726-1797) (father of geology) was actually a Christian that came up with OEC. Darwin built his theory on Hutton's work.

 

[BeyondET]

Adam is chapter two in the Bible. You have all of chapter one before Adam. Remember God rested on the seventh day. So Adam was created on the eighth day. At least from my perspective. God has a pattern that He follows.

if it isn't then a day of creation is something that happens after Adam is placed in the garden.

then he was lonely so Eve was created, both ate some fruit shouldn't have. They got scorned kicked out of the garden but on the way out God blessed them and said multiply.

Rule over the fish you haven't seen yet because you've been in the garden up til now atleast Eve was. Could debate rather Adam saw one before being transported or God brought afew marine animals to him.

So is the verse actually part of the six days in the beginning or later on after God rested, which isn't correct.

Genesis 1:28
God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and every creature that crawls on the earth.”

 

[Diamond7]

Rule over the fish you haven't seen yet

Fishing hooks and fish nets go back 30 to 40,000 years as an artifact.

 

[BeyondET]

Fishing hooks and fish nets go back 30 to 40,000 years as an artifact.

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Indeed there's even certain events in the bible showing the days of creation wasn't 24 hours days, but long periods of time.

All this has to happen on day six. Eve can't be formed after the seventh day and the fall of man is after the seventh or is it?

The Sixth very long Day

1:24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 1:25 God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

2:5 Now no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth, nor had any plant of the field sprouted; for the LORD God had not yet sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 2:6 But springs welled up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”

2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, where He placed the man He had formed. 2:9 Out of the ground the LORD God gave growth to every tree that is pleasing to the eye and good for food. And in the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

2:10 Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it branched into four headwaters:

2:11 The name of the first river is Pishon; it winds through the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 2:12 And the gold of that land is pure, and bdellium and onyx are found there.

2:13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it winds through the whole land of Cush.

2:14 The name of the third river is Hiddekel; it runs along the east side of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

2:15 Then the LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it.

2:16 And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

2:18 The LORD God also said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper.”

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 2:20 The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.

2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he slept, He took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the area with flesh.

2:22 And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him.

1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

2:23 And the man said: “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of man she was taken.”

1:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

1:25 And the man and his wife were both naked, and they were not ashamed.

1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth.”

1:29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every seed-bearing plant on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit contains seed. They will be yours for food. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth and every bird of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth—everything that has the breath of life in it—I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.

1:31 And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2:2 And by the seventh day God had finished the work He had been doing; so on that day He rested from all His work. 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.

 

[Diamond7]

The Sixth very long Day

Actually according to Science each day is half the length of the day before it. So the sixth day would be the shortest compared to the other 5 days. You are looking at 13 billion years for the age of the universe. Man and the other primates and mammals have been around for around 200 million years when the dinosaurs were lost in the flood. Except for Turtles and Crocodiles.. They survived the extinction. They also live a very long life and get very big.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Indeed there's even certain events in the bible showing the days of creation wasn't 24 hours days, but long periods of time.

All this has to happen on day six. Eve can't be formed after the seventh day and the fall of man is after the seventh or is it?

The Sixth very long Day

1:24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 1:25 God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

2:5 Now no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth, nor had any plant of the field sprouted; for the LORD God had not yet sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 2:6 But springs welled up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”

2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, where He placed the man He had formed. 2:9 Out of the ground the LORD God gave growth to every tree that is pleasing to the eye and good for food. And in the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

2:10 Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it branched into four headwaters:

2:11 The name of the first river is Pishon; it winds through the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 2:12 And the gold of that land is pure, and bdellium and onyx are found there.

2:13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it winds through the whole land of Cush.

2:14 The name of the third river is Hiddekel; it runs along the east side of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

2:15 Then the LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and keep it.

2:16 And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

2:18 The LORD God also said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a suitable helper.”

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 2:20 The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.

2:21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he slept, He took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the area with flesh.

2:22 And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him.

1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

2:23 And the man said: “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of man she was taken.”

1:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

1:25 And the man and his wife were both naked, and they were not ashamed.

1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth.”

1:29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every seed-bearing plant on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit contains seed. They will be yours for food. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth and every bird of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth—everything that has the breath of life in it—I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.

1:31 And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2:2 And by the seventh day God had finished the work He had been doing; so on that day He rested from all His work. 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.

Genesis 2 is a retelling of what took place in Genesis 1. Everything that took place in Genesis 2 took place during the same 6 days mentioned in Genesis 1. What separates the days is light and darkness and plants cant survive without sunlight for more than 3 weeks.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Fishing hooks and fish nets go back 30 to 40,000 years as an artifact.

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Nobody actually knows how old these are that’s why they’re called predictions and theories.

 

[BeyondET]

Genesis 2 is a retelling of what took place in Genesis 1. Everything that took place in Genesis 2 took place during the same 6 days mentioned in Genesis 1. What separates the days is light and darkness and plants cant survive without sunlight for more than 3 weeks.

The six day verses I posted is pretty long. Even Adam named all the animals within a hour, Not. And plants never had to survive without sunlight.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The six day verses I posted is pretty long. Even Adam named all the animals within a hour, Not. And plants never had to survive without sunlight.

Doesn’t say he named them in an hour, just that he named them. And we don’t know how many species there were at that time. Some scientists say about 2500.

 

[Diamond7]

And we don’t know how many species there were at that time.

There are many Eden's in the world. The Eden in the Bible has to do with cultivated plants and domesticated animals. Eden was between the Tigris and Euphrates river in ancient Mesopotamia. Today it is covered by the Persian Gulf.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There are many Eden's in the world. The Eden in the Bible has to do with cultivated plants and domesticated animals. Eden was between the Tigris and Euphrates river in ancient Mesopotamia. Today it is covered by the Persian Gulf.

I would say it also has to do with the origin of man, according to the scriptures.

 

[BeyondET]

Doesn’t say he named them in an hour, just that he named them. And we don’t know how many species there were at that time. Some scientists say about 2500.

None of the days, say anything about hours.

 

[Diamond7]

I would say it also has to do with the origin of man, according to the scriptures.

There is no contradiction between the generations in the Bible and the geologies we study in science. I have studied both extensively. Science helps us to understand our Bible and we can use the scientific method to study our Bible. Science shows us our Bible is true and Science also shows us when our interpretation and translation is not accurate. New information about DNA comes out all the time. Yet none of what we know contradicts the Bible.

 

[Diamond7]

They got scorned kicked out of the garden but on the way out God blessed them and said multiply.

"And God blessed them; and God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea,"

Science tells us otherwise. Long before Adam and Eve there were people all over the world. Adam and Eve was the beginning of civilization. There are actually many Eden's all over the world on land and sea. They are called bio diverse eco systems.

 

[BNR32FAN]

None of the days, say anything about hours.

Which suggests that there was nothing different about those six days than any other day. They were just 6 ordinary days.

 

[BeeFive]

Between Genesis1 1-2.. The earth BECAME empty or void..

God ORIGINALLY did not create the earth to be empty.... it became that way because God ended that 1st age because of the rebellion of lucifer and others..

There are 3 ages as 2 Peter 3 also talks about.

God created the earth and created all souls in the 1st age..."IN THE BEGINNING" is the 1st age. He created them male and female.. just not a flesh body.. our body was made of a different material than it is not... we have 2 bodies as 1Cor. talks about also. God called us "angels" or "stars" in Job 38 and throughout the bible.. pet names showing He loves us. God asked Job, Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth.... WE WERE THERE

Geneses 1 26-27 God is talking to us telling us He is going to make flesh bodies in the "same image"... That means we had to have an image/picture of ourselve before He made the flesh body. He ended that 1st age where were were"angel bodies material"... and said He is going to give us each a 2nd body... a flesh body for this 2nd age.

He also included HIMself in that HE also would have a flesh body in this 2nd age.

He did this in order to save His creation that fell in that 1st age.

We have no idea how long that 1st age lasted... but a long time becasue the earth is billions of years old.

The bible tells us that Lucifer rebelled in that 1st age and the people that followed him were "fallen" angels ( us people in that 1st age.. just different body material .. not flesh.....
God refers to lucifer as a "man" many places in the bible.

Nooone's 1st age body has yet been destroyed... not even lucifer/satan or those fallen ones. We just cant see our other body unless God allows it... like He showed many of the prophets their other body while they are in a flesh body here in this 2nd age. They saw themselves in Heaven walking around talking with people in HEaven and we know no flesh body can enter Heaven , only our angel bodies can. Those bodies live longer than our flesh one.

God gave each of us a 2nd body( a flesh one) for this 2nd age. The flesh body perishes and then we only have our "angel" body material one from the 1st age.

God had to bring Jesus in the flesh to pay the ransom price for all of us with his death on the cross... as we are all sinners.. noone can have eternal live until we unite our spirit with God's Holy spirit. We would all perish in our sins unless we choose Jesus as Lord. Our spirit needs the Holy Spirit to cleanse us.

This 2nd age is GOd's whole plan of salvation. Jesus came in the flesh to die in our place so we can be reconciled back to Father.

This 2nd age will end at the end of the mellenium.. there will be a great white throne judgment and those who refuse Jesus will go into the lake of fire and perish.

We are all only in our angel body at the 7th trumpet return of Christ, as all flesh will be destroyed at that trumpet.. people, animals... NO MORE FLESH... and the 1000 year mellenium begins... Lucifer/satan is in the pit those 1000 years and will be released to again test people.

We have 2 bodies .. one is 1st age material or angel body.. 1st age
one is flesh material body... 2nd age
male or female from the beginning

There is a 1st resurrection at the 7th trumpet wlhich is when we exchange out our mortal self for immortality... for those who chose Jesus before the mellenium begins.

The rest have to go thru the mellenium in mortal selves and try for the 2nd resurrection at the end of the mellenium.. but everyone only has their original 1st age body at the 7th trumpet... no more flesh bodies.

Lucifer and the fallen ones refused a flesh body for this 2nd age, and instead came to earth and had sex with flesh women to try to thwart God plan and prevent Jesus from coming in the flesh body in this 2nd age. God will destroy those fallen ones when He comes at the 7th trumpet.

All "flesh" bodies are destroyed at the 7th trumpet, as well as the fallen angel bodies.

The 3rd age is eternity... we only have our original body , but have received immortality thru Jesus .
A body + a spirit( a mind) = a person or soul

"bodies" are male or female vessels or containers which contain our spirit/mind...
We are all mortal souls until we join with Jesus Holy Spirit and then we can be decent... love, joy, peace, patience, kind, good, faithful. loyal and have self control... fruit of the Holy Spirit God gives us to replace our mind/spirit which can do nothing good without HIm.

 

[BNR32FAN]

God created the earth and created all souls in the 1st age..."IN THE BEGINNING" is the 1st age. He created them male and female.. just not a flesh body.. our body was made of a different material than it is not... we have 2 bodies as 1Cor. talks about also. God called us "angels" or "stars" in Job 38 and throughout the bible.. pet names showing He loves us. God asked Job, Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth.... WE WERE THERE

The word “soul” doesn’t exist anywhere in the entire first chapter of Genesis and the pre existence of souls was condemned as a heresy in the 5th ecumenical council. Job 38 doesn’t say we were there, it says the angels were there.

”“Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge? Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me! Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding, Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?“
‭‭Job‬ ‭38‬:‭2‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The morning stars are Jesus and satan and the sons of God are the angels, not human souls.

”How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, To the recesses of the pit.“
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭14‬:‭12‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

”“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”“
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BeeFive]

2 Peter 3:5-7
4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

NIV:
5 But they deliberately forget that LONG AGO (1ST AGE) by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

6 By these waters also THE WORLD OF THAT TIME was deluged and destroyed.(1st age)

7 By the same word the present heavens and earth (2nd age) are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

King James:
5.For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world THAT THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, PERISHED1ST AGE)

7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW (2ND age), by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Noahs flood was not a universal flood but regional flood to that area (in order to destroy the giants(offspring of the fallen angels).

Otherwise there is no way that dove could have found a green olive branch with green leaves on it if the whole planet earth had been flooded... there would not have been any green trees or leaves for that dove to find.

The flood in verse 6 is what happened to that 1st age...there are different "dimensions"somehow.
God did not destroy "planet earth" that He created in that 1st age...he flooded it, ended that 1st age and we are in a different dimension somehow , and this 2nd age is on planet earth in a flesh body.. the eternity will also be planet earth as God is going to bring New Jerusalem to earth..

Who knows if any of the other planets were also inhabited in that 1st age besides planet earth... I am betting they were as it seems saturn is satans favorite planet.

Job 38
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.

5 Who marked off its dimensions? SURELY YOU KNOW!

21 Surely you know, FOR YOU WERE ALREADY BORN! You have lived so many years!

Job was alread born... (that 1st age), just like we all were when God created us.. Sounds to me like we watched God create things.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Noahs flood was not a universal flood but regional flood to that area (in order to destroy the giants(offspring of the fallen angels).

Otherwise there is no way that dove could have found a green olive branch with green leaves on it if the whole planet earth had been flooded... there would not have been any green trees or leaves for that dove to find.

It only takes a few days for a sapling to begin growing. And “all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered.” That’s not a local event.

”The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered. The water prevailed fifteen cubits higher, and the mountains were covered. All flesh that moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind; of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died. Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭7‬:‭19‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

2 Peter 3:5-7
4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

NIV:
5 But they deliberately forget that LONG AGO (1ST AGE) by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

6 By these waters also THE WORLD OF THAT TIME was deluged and destroyed.(1st age)

7 By the same word the present heavens and earth (2nd age) are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

King James:
5.For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world THAT THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, PERISHED1ST AGE)

7 But the heavens and the earth, WHICH ARE NOW (2ND age), by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Noahs flood was not a universal flood but regional flood to that area (in order to destroy the giants(offspring of the fallen angels).

Otherwise there is no way that dove could have found a green olive branch with green leaves on it if the whole planet earth had been flooded... there would not have been any green trees or leaves for that dove to find.

The flood in verse 6 is what happened to that 1st age...there are different "dimensions"somehow.
God did not destroy "planet earth" that He created in that 1st age...he flooded it, ended that 1st age and we are in a different dimension somehow , and this 2nd age is on planet earth in a flesh body.. the eternity will also be planet earth as God is going to bring New Jerusalem to earth..

Who knows if any of the other planets were also inhabited in that 1st age besides planet earth... I am betting they were as it seems saturn is satans favorite planet.

Job 38
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.

5 Who marked off its dimensions? SURELY YOU KNOW!

21 Surely you know, FOR YOU WERE ALREADY BORN! You have lived so many years!

Job was alread born... (that 1st age), just like we all were when God created us.. Sounds to me like we watched God create things.

Surely you realize that Job 38 is God speaking sarcastically. If Job was alive then, then so were you and I. Do you remember any of the things mentioned in this passage? No, and neither did Job because he didn’t exist yet. That’s the point God is making is that Job is not God, he is not eternal, or all mighty. Notice in Job’s reply he never mentions knowing anything about these questions God is asking him.

”“Have you ever in your life commanded the morning, And caused the dawn to know its place, That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? “Have you entered into the springs of the sea Or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been revealed to you, Or have you seen the gates of deep darkness? Have you understood the expanse of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this. “Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, That you may take it to its territory And that you may discern the paths to its home? You know, for you were born then, And the number of your days is great! Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, Or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, Which I have reserved for the time of distress, For the day of war and battle? Where is the way that the light is divided, Or the east wind scattered on the earth? “Who has cleft a channel for the flood, Or a way for the thunderbolt, To bring rain on a land without people, On a desert without a man in it, To satisfy the waste and desolate land And to make the seeds of grass to sprout? Has the rain a father? Or who has begotten the drops of dew?“
‭‭Job‬ ‭38‬:‭12‬-‭13‬, ‭16‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

This is all sarcasm. Why is God asking Job if he ever commanded the morning and caused the dawn to know its place?