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age of adam/eve when had kids?

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hildigga

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Calminian said:
To deny this would render language meaningless.
careful. i do not interpret the Bible liberally by any stretch of the means... but i think you and i will agree if we sit down and look at the whole thing that a literal interpretation (which i definitely believe in) means that sometimes you have to look at the intentions of the text, and the intentions of the language, and not what they seem to say right away. the Bible can be taken literally. but we have to be careful about how we take it literally. and i think that this might be one of those times.
but you're right, this is an unnecessary debate in some ways, and maybe we should be worried about something more important :)
 
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hildigga said:
careful. i do not interpret the Bible liberally by any stretch of the means... but i think you and i will agree if we sit down and look at the whole thing that a literal interpretation (which i definitely believe in) means that sometimes you have to look at the intentions of the text, and the intentions of the language, and not what they seem to say right away. the Bible can be taken literally. but we have to be careful about how we take it literally. and i think that this might be one of those times.
but you're right, this is an unnecessary debate in some ways, and maybe we should be worried about something more important :)

I am completely at a loss over what you guys see in this passage. It has nothing to do with importance. If there really was a discrepancy in the literal text about Adam's age I would think it would be pretty important. But there is no more discrepancy in Adam's age than any other person in the Book of Genesis. You say there is something here in the text that's telling you it may not be intended in a literal way. So please share. I'm trying to figure out where the controversy or at least confusion is. Frankly it just sounds like you and the others didn't really examine the context very closely.
 
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Calminian said:
I am completely at a loss over what you guys see in this passage. It has nothing to do with importance. If there really was a discrepancy in the literal text about Adam's age I would think it would be pretty important. But there is no more discrepancy in Adam's age than any other person in the Book of Genesis. You say there is something here in the text that's telling you it may not be intended in a literal way. So please share. I'm trying to figure out where the controversy or at least confusion is. Frankly it just sounds like you and the others didn't really examine the context very closely.

The reason why this is important for some is because if Adam was in the Garden for some extended length of time, then that would mean that the earth need not be 6,000 years old. Now, personally, I don't read it as literal history, so I don't care one way or the other. But your insistance that it can only be the way YOU see it is part of the overall problem. You are not considering that "age" can either be chronological age or biological agefor Adam.

Here is where the nuance comes in that you are not willing to recognize. Yes, God says He breathed life into Adam, so that would be when He started living in the general sense. But what would his AGE be consider when that happened? I see three possibilities.

1. Most consider that Adam was created "in maturity", so when he was an adult, would it be appropriate to say he was a "1 year old", or when he left the Garden, he was, say "2 years old". So, when they refer to Adam's age, it could be instead to his "biological age" and not his "amount of time being alive" age.

2. It could just be his "amount of time being alive" age, which is your interpretation.

3. Since many believe that Adam was "immortal" when God breathed into him, the question arises of whether his "biological age" would have been in a form of "stasis" during the time that He was in the Garden, where he was not getting any "older" biologically. If he had been in the Garden for a million years, would his body be any older biologically? So, if he was created at a biological age of, say, 20 years old, but then he did not biologically age during the time in the Garden, it could still be appropriate to consider his age to be his biological age, at the time that he exited the Garden.

For some OEC's, this would allow for Adam to have been in the Garden for an extended period of time, thus explaining why the earth is so old while retaining a strict literalism.
 
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You guys have absolutely lost your minds on this one. Adam became a living being on day six and then lived 130 years and begot Seth. There's no more dispute over Adam's age then there is over Abraham's or Moses'. If you want to dismiss the entire account as figurative that's one thing. But the literal rendering is explicit. To quote Dennis Prager (who was quoting someone else), "some things are so ridiculous it takes and intellectual to believe it."
 
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Calminian said:
You guys have absolutely lost your minds on this one. Adam became a living being on day six and then lived 130 years and begot Seth. There's no more dispute over Adam's age then there is over Abraham's or Moses'. If you want to dismiss the entire account as figurative that's one thing. But the literal rendering is explicit. To quote Dennis Prager (who was quoting someone else), "some things are so ridiculous it takes and intellectual to believe it."

But these possibilities are NOT based on a figurative reading, but on a strictly literal reading of the text. The question is whether, when the tell us Adam's age, they are talking about chronological age (which you conclude) or biological age. Why do you think the latter is not a possibility?
 
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Vance said:
But these possibilities are NOT based on a figurative reading, but on a strictly literal reading of the text. The question is whether, when the tell us Adam's age, they are talking about chronological age (which you conclude) or biological age. Why do you think the latter is not a possibility?

Because the text explicitly says it's based on biological age. Have you not read anything I've posted? God made Adam and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Adam then became a living being and lived 130 years and begot Seth. Man you guys are stubborn!
 
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Calminian said:
Because the text explicitly says it's based on biological age. Have you not read anything I've posted? God made Adam and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Adam then became a living being and lived 130 years and begot Seth. Man you guys are stubborn!

So, if Adam left the Garden within a year of being placed there, and then had a son the next year, you would say "And when Adam was 1 year old, he had a son named Cain . . ."?

And the text does not put the 'became a living being' and "lived 130 years and begot Seth" in the same verse.

The "biological age" is how old, in terms of physical maturity, he was.

If you can not consider that this is a possible reading of the text, then you are further gone into "my reading is the only possible reading" than I suspected.
 
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Vance said:
So, if Adam left the Garden within a year of being placed there, and then had a son the next year, you would say "And when Adam was 1 year old, he had a son named Cain . . ."?

Yyyyyyyeahhhh!

Vance said:
And the text does not put the 'became a living being' and "lived 130 years and begot Seth" in the same verse.

AND!!?

Vance said:
The "biological age" is how old, in terms of physical maturity, he was.

What??? Bio age is how long one has been biologically living. Dude what is your major malfunction?

Is it impossible for you to just admit you didn’t think this argument through?
 
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Calminian said:
Yyyyyyyeahhhh!



AND!!?



What??? Bio age is how long one has been biologically living. Dude what is your major malfunction?

Is it impossible for you to just admit you didn’t think this argument through?

Well, of course, I have thought this through. A chronological age would be how long a person has been alive. A biological age would be how old their body would be "biologically". A one year old is not sexually mature, for example, so biologically, Adam could not have been a one year old, even if he was chronologically a one year old.

If you would call Adam a "one year old" the day he came out of the Garden, even though his body was fully adult and sexual mature, and can not see how the text COULD be referring to his biological age rather than his chronological age, then I really don't think we have much more to discuss.

Keep in mind that some texts say that Adam was 130 years old, some say he had lived 130 years.
 
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Homie said:
It all boils down to trust. What do you trust the most, The timeless Bible or the ever changes opinions of man? Don't hide away in the "figurative" area. Jesus don't like 'em luke-warm, He likes 'em hot or cold.

Well, both Calminian and Vance trust the bible, and both are reading the age of Adam literally, not figuratively. Yet there is still a difference of opinion.

Perhaps you would like to contribute to the discussion instead of implying that some Christians don't trust the bible?
 
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Homie said:
It all boils down to trust. What do you trust the most, The timeless Bible or the ever changes opinions of man? Don't hide away in the "figurative" area. Jesus don't like 'em luke-warm, He likes 'em hot or cold.

You mean trust the human interpretation of Scripture over the human interpretation of God's Creation?

And as for hot or cold, I can assure you that I am as "hot" for the PROPER reading of Scripture as you are.
 
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