After the flood: How did kangaroos get to Australia?

Not_By_Chance · Sep 2, 2018

nonaeroterraqueous said:
I don't know. I don't know where the water came from. I don't know where it went. I have no record of anything that happened that Noah himself did not see, much less what happened in a completely different hemisphere. I do not know how the kangaroos got there. I only know that the Bible says there was a flood, that the mountains have marine fossils, and that God preserved a remnant of all of his creation to repopulate the Earth. Everything else is speculation.

To answer the question, where did the water go, that's simple - it's still here in the oceans. There's enough water on the planet to cover to entire earth to a depth of over 2km if it weren't for the mountains.
Those who propose a local flood don't realise how absurd the idea is and how anti-Biblical, "Gen 7:23 He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens. They were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those who were with him in the ark."

Lost4words · Sep 2, 2018

They hopped over on the first bus they saw.

Not_By_Chance · Sep 2, 2018

DamianWarS said:
this is your interpretation of scripture through your world view. Galileo was forced to recant his theory otherwise be charged a heretic and he was put on house arrest for the rest of his life for saying the earth was heliocentric not geocentric because it explicitly contradicted several areas of scripture (and yes he had access to the KJV). Today we know heliocentrism to be correct as the earth does in fact revolve around the sun and not the sun around the earth. The areas that conflict with scripture we quickly dismiss using our heliocentric world view contrasted with an ancient earthly perspective; we think nothing more of the matter because of course it's true.

Laws of physics are absolute so whatever we accept today must have been the same yesterday if it is true and a heliocentric earth today cannot exist unless it was also a heliocentric earth upon design, regardless how scripture describes the earth or celestial objects. However if we always superimpose our worldview over scripture we are going to miss the mark. What if God sent a flood to cover all the known earth how would an ancient describe such an event? They would describe it as "all the earth" and they would still be right in doing so. This is not saying the flood was a metaphor or it is lying it is saying that it is an account that inherits all the limits of people who are receiving it. The flood can both be a localized and a global event at the same time but we must understand it as an ancient would approach it not how we would approach it

....or we can say the sun revolves around the earth because this is the what scripture supports and we should not allow any other thinking to influence how we approach the matter.

My reading of the relevant part of Genesis is that it is God reporting the facts that occurred through Moses and therefore it is irrelevant what "they" thought all the earth meant.

DamianWarS · Sep 2, 2018

Not_By_Chance said:
My reading of the relevant part of Genesis is that it is God reporting the facts that occurred through Moses and therefore it is irrelevant what "they" thought all the earth meant.

God gives us contextualized information because he actually knows how the information will be received and what he wants to communicate.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 2, 2018

DamianWarS said:
I speak more than one language, one is far more concrete and fits this perspective of a localised earth. Are you saying it is wrong because english likes abstracts?

Nobody knows how to technically speak or write Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek because nobody uses these languages anymore. A language still has to be in use in order for a person to visit that culture and speak with the locals to confirm what they studied is accurate. I know. My wife is from Brazil. There were things that the text books and audio lessons that were limited and not always accurate in real to life use sometimes. I needed a real person who spoke Brazillian Portuguese. My fiancé (now my wife) was constantly correcting me on certain sayings and phrases.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 2, 2018

DamianWarS said:
everything is contextually based and we must interpret these words on how they would be received by their original audience, in this case it wasn't even Noah as the audience but a post-exodus displaced hebrew nation as the immediate audience for the text. So "earth" would mean whatever they understood it to mean.

Yet, God's Word says His Word is preserved for all generations. This would include the world language of our day. So I disagree with you. God is simple and He communicates to people in their language. Can you give me a Biblical examples that supports your view that we have to look to an ancient language in order to understand God's Word?

DamianWarS · Sep 2, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Yet, God's Word says His Word is preserved for all generations. This would include the world language of our day. So I disagree with you. God is simple and He communicates to people in their language. Can you give me a Biblical examples that supports your view that we have to look to an ancient language in order to understand God's Word?

I do not dispute the words or their perseveration but rather the manner of which we understand them. We have the capacity to understand concrete cultures and abstract cultures so we do not have an excuse to adjust our thinking to better fit biblical culture. The KJV itself was understood differently in 1611 than it is now not because the KJV has changed but because people have changed... for starters when the KJV was made people thought the sun revolved around the earth based on biblical support. we no longer think this yet the biblical words and truths have never changed, we just approach them differently.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 2, 2018

DamianWarS said:
I do not dispute the words or their perseveration but rather the manner of which we understand them. We have the capacity to understand concrete cultures and abstract cultures so we do not have an excuse to adjust our thinking to better fit biblical culture. The KJV itself was understood differently in 1611 than it is now not because the KJV has changed but because people have changed... for starters when the KJV was made people thought the sun revolved around the earth based on biblical support. we no longer think this yet the biblical words and truths have never changed, we just approach them differently.

I believe the 1769 KJV is the divinely inspired perfect Word of God.
I feel like I can spend days telling a person how this book is divine and holy.
Granted, do not misunderstand me. Just because something is holy, does not mean I worship that holy thing. I treasure God's Word, and regard it as a love letter from God. Seeing God is perfect and seeing God has communicated to His people in their language through out history (According to His Word), I am confident that His Word is preserved for us today in the language of our day.

As for the 1600's English:
I am not one of those KJV Only folks who is going to stretch the truth and say that the KJV is always easy to understand. I use Modern Translations to help update the language, but I make the KJV my final Word of authority.

As for the KJV translators view of astronomy: I do not think their belief would have changed the Word of God in any way. God used imperfect men to preserve His Word. I do not believe that is a contradiction.

gideon123 · Sep 2, 2018

I understand that people may have their favorite versions of the Bible. I would not want to take that inspiration away from them.

But Who wrote Genesis?

Who?

Pkease don't say God.
God may have spoken the words, or provided the wisdom, but who actually wrote them down so others could read them?

Answer ... we dont know.

We honestly don't know.

Quite possibly Moses was involved in recording Genesis. But he relied on the spoken word, and that was passed down for generations. How many generations between Noah and Moses?? All that time ... no written word existed at all.

Yet people insist that 'their interpretation' must be the exact words ... spoken by God.

Then tell me .. who wrote Genesis?
And what ancient language was used?
And please do not say Hebrew. The early events in Genesis happened long before Hebrew ever existed.

We need to be very humble, and very careful, before we claim that we are the owners of God's exact words.

Blessings!!

Bible Highlighter · Sep 2, 2018

gideon123 said:
I understand that people may have their favorite versions of the Bible. I would not want to take that inspiration away from them.

But Who wrote Genesis?

Who?

Pkease don't say God.
God may have spoken the words, or provided the wisdom, but who actually wrote them down so others could read them?

Answer ... we dont know.

We honestly don't know.

Quite possibly Moses was involved in recording Genesis. But he relied on the spoken word, and that was passed down for generations. How many generations between Noah and Moses?? All that time ... no written word existed at all.

Yet people insist that 'their interpretation' must be the exact words ... spoken by God.

Then tell me .. who wrote Genesis?
And what ancient language was used?
And please do not say Hebrew. The early events in Genesis happened long before Hebrew ever existed.

We need to be very humble, and very careful, before we claim that we are the owners of God's exact words.

Blessings!!

It was Moses who wrote the first five books of Moses but he was inspired or overshadowed by the Holy Ghost to write what he did. The words are literally God breathed through the man known as Moses. Moses was just a vessel. Before the book of Moses, existed the book of Job (Which was also a divinely inspired work).

Also, the Hebrews did speak and write Hebrew because they were Hebrews. Sure, the book of Daniel is said to be written partially in Aramaic, but that is not the majority of the Old Testament. The majority of the OT was written in Hebrew.

There are ways they could have tested that God's Word was divine back then just as there are ways we can test God's Word is divine today.

Here are some evidences for the Word of God (that I created in a blogger article) showing it is divine in origin:

http://lovebranch.blogspot.com/2017/02/evidences-for-word-of-god.html

I would not be a believer in Jesus Christ if the Word of God was not divine. For the Bible is the book upon which we know about salvation through Jesus Christ. If one word is corrupt in our Bible, then what makes us trust the rest of it? It's either all true, or all false. I initially believed God's Word was true by faith, and then evidences later came that proved that His Word was divine in origin.

DamianWarS · Sep 2, 2018

Jason0047 said:
As for the KJV translators view of astronomy: I do not think their belief would have changed the Word of God in any way. God used imperfect men to preserve His Word. I do not believe that is a contradiction.

the KJV translators translated the words, it is the reader who dominantly interpreted the message to fit their word view and an early 17th century worldview was that earth was geocentric. We no longer hold that view even though both are defended using the same bible, the same words and the same truth. cultural thinking and understanding changes and it affects how we approach scripture. I am not saying to go back to the original language but I am saying we can approach the bible through a different lense to grasp the meaning of the text closer to its original audience. You may still use english and you may still use whatever version of the KJV you think is holy to do this. For example what does the KJV mean when they say "they that p*sseth against the wall"? The KJV is actually one of the only translations that keeps this rendering but this is not a modern expression and you are forced to research the expression to understand it in its original context.

Not_By_Chance · Sep 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Before the book of Moses, existed the book of Job (Which was also a divinely inspired work).

I'm glad you mentioned Job, because there are some things in there that must have seemed like nonsense to Job, but he understood that God knew what he was talking about, so he wrote them down. Things like the earth being supported by nothing, when most if not all other ancient traditions had something holding up the earth (Atlas probably being the most well-known) and the movement of the stars in Pleiades and the "belt" of Orion which had apparently been a mystery until modern times brought us powerful telescopes. If we can't trust the opening chapters of Genesis as being a factual account of the way everything was created, then why trust any of the Bible? The way Genesis was written, it is clear that the Creator is making it absolutely plain that He is giving us a clear historical account of what happened, even adding phrases such as "And there was evening and there was morning, the first day." Gen 1:5. He has applied the same method in the flood account. Call them allegories if you wish, but they don't read that way, so why try to distort their intended meaning to fit with man's foolish ideas when by their own admission, they only think they know about 5% of what the universe is made up of, so really know nothing at all. Let the allegories take over and you destroy the foundations of the whole Bible. That's why the non-believers attack Genesis so much, because sadly, they understand that better than many Christians.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 3, 2018

DamianWarS said:
the KJV translators translated the words, it is the reader who dominantly interpreted the message to fit their word view and an early 17th century worldview was that earth was geocentric. We no longer hold that view even though both are defended using the same bible, the same words and the same truth. cultural thinking and understanding changes and it affects how we approach scripture. I am not saying to go back to the original language but I am saying we can approach the bible through a different lense to grasp the meaning of the text closer to its original audience. You may still use english and you may still use whatever version of the KJV you think is holy to do this. For example what does the KJV mean when they say "they that p*sseth against the wall"? The KJV is actually one of the only translations that keeps this rendering but this is not a modern expression and you are forced to research the expression to understand it in its original context.

Gotquestions is not KJV Only and they seem to favor the rendering "they that p*sseth against the wall."

See their article here.

As for the Geocentric view held by those who have translated the KJV:

Again, I do not think this had influenced the text of the KJV in any way, unless you can show me that this is the case between the KJV (Textus Receptus) vs. the Modern Translations (Critical Text). I am sure that maybe even certain men of God (who wrote books in our Bible thought the Earth was flat or they had no view of what the Earth was like outside of the space beyond. So I do not see how that has anything to do with the text being inspired or preserved by God.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 3, 2018

Not_By_Chance said:
I'm glad you mentioned Job, because there are some things in there that must have seemed like nonsense to Job, but he understood that God knew what he was talking about, so he wrote them down. Things like the earth being supported by nothing, when most if not all other ancient traditions had something holding up the earth (Atlas probably being the most well-known) and the movement of the stars in Pleiades and the "belt" of Orion which had apparently been a mystery until modern times brought us powerful telescopes. If we can't trust the opening chapters of Genesis as being a factual account of the way everything was created, then why trust any of the Bible? The way Genesis was written, it is clear that the Creator is making it absolutely plain that He is giving us a clear historical account of what happened, even adding phrases such as "And there was evening and there was morning, the first day." Gen 1:5. He has applied the same method in the flood account. Call them allegories if you wish, but they don't read that way, so why try to distort their intended meaning to fit with man's foolish ideas when by their own admission, they only think they know about 5% of what the universe is made up of, so really know nothing at all. Let the allegories take over and you destroy the foundations of the whole Bible. That's why the non-believers attack Genesis so much, because sadly, they understand that better than many Christians.

I am a Young Earth creationist and I believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. So I believe the creation account, my friend. But yes, you are right.

The problem I see is when men alter Genesis to fit an outside view, where does it stop? Will they do this at another point in the Bible later down the road? That's the problem I see. They make theories from the outside world's way of thinking and try and cram that into the Bible.

DamianWarS · Sep 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Gotquestions is not KJV Only and they seem to favor the rendering "they that p*sseth against the wall."

See their article here.

As for the Geocentric view held by those who have translated the KJV:

Again, I do not think this had influenced the text of the KJV in any way, unless you can show me that this is the case between the KJV (Textus Receptus) vs. the Modern Translations (Critical Text). I am sure that maybe even certain men of God (who wrote books in our Bible thought the Earth was flat or they had no view of what the Earth was like outside of the space beyond. So I do not see how that has anything to do with the text being inspired or preserved by God.

I favour the rederning too but you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not accusing anyone of influencing the KJV or the TR nor am I challenging if it is inspired or preserved by God. I am saying the way we understand the bible is heavily influenced by our own worldview possibly to conclusions that were never intended. I have no problem using the KJV nor am I challenging your views of the KJV I simply am using an historical-grammatical method to interpret the meaning of the words and I'm perfectly content using the KJV while doing this.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 3, 2018

DamianWarS said:
I favour the rederning too but you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not accusing anyone of influencing the KJV or the TR nor am I challenging if it is inspired or preserved by God. I am saying the way we understand the bible are heavily influenced by our own worldview possibly to conclusions that were never intended. I have no problem using the KJV nor am I challenging your views of the KJV I simply am using an historical-grammatical method to interpret the meaning of the words an I'm perfectly content using the KJV while doing this.

God has His hand in all our ways:

"For in him we live, and move, and have our being"
(Acts of the Apostles 17:28).

"Doth not he see my ways, and count all my steps?" (Job 31:4).

"...even the very hairs of your head are all numbered." (Luke 12:7).

God has His hand in numbers:

For example: The pharisees said that they built the temple in 46 years (John 2:20). Coincidentally we have 46 chromosomes in our bodies. In the 46th book of the Bible we read, "“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost...” (1 Corinthians 3:16). The words "the bread" appears 46 times in the Bible. Jesus refers to how the bread at the Lord's supper is his body broken for us (And Jesus referred to his body as a temple). "The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 10:16). The word "vessel" appears 46 times in the Bible. The phrase “temple of” (think about an empty temple or vessel) is found 46 times in the Bible. (Note: The word count is confirmed by PureKingJamesBible Search software, http://www.purebiblesearch.com/).

God has His hand in every day common sayings of our day:

Escaped by the skin of my teeth.
This phrase also comes from the previous verses from Job 19.

Out of the mouths of babes.
Psalms 8:2 “Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.”

Spare the rod and spoil the child.
Proverbs 13:24 “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.”

Pride goes before a fall.
Proverbs 16:18 “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

A time and place for everything.
Ecclesiastes 3:1 “To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:”

Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we will die.
Ecclesiastes 8:15 “Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.”

Isaiah 22:13 “And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.”

Luke 12:19 “And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.”

A drop in the bucket.
Isaiah 40:15 “Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.”

Rise and shine.
Isaiah 60:1 “Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.”

A leopard cannot change his spots.
Jeremiah 13:23 “Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.”

Go the extra mile.
Matthew 5:41 “And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.”

United we stand. Divided we fall.
Matthew 12:25, 26 “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?”

The blind leading the blind.
Matthew 15:14 “Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”

A little birdie told me.
Matthew 16:23 “Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.”

The powers that be.
Romans 13:1 “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.”

God is there (even when we do not see Him).
His loving hand is guiding us if we are seeking after Him according to His Word.
For God works together all things for good to those who love Him.

God is so good.
He is so faithful;
Especially to His own Word in what it says.

Source used (for common every day phrases):
https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-everyday-sayings-and-quotes-found-in-the-bible/

DamianWarS · Sep 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
God has His hand in all our ways:

"For in him we live, and move, and have our being"
(Acts of the Apostles 17:28).

"Doth not he see my ways, and count all my steps?" (Job 31:4).

"...even the very hairs of your head are all numbered." (Luke 12:7).

God has His hand in numbers:

For example: The pharisees said that they built the temple in 46 years (John 2:20). Coincidentally we have 46 chromosomes in our bodies. In the 46th book of the Bible we read, "“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost...” (1 Corinthians 3:16). The words "the bread" appears 46 times in the Bible. Jesus refers to how the bread at the Lord's supper is his body broken for us (And Jesus referred to his body as a temple). "The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 10:16). The word "vessel" appears 46 times in the Bible. The phrase “temple of” (think about an empty temple or vessel) is found 46 times in the Bible. (Note: The word count is confirmed by PureKingJamesBible Search software, http://www.purebiblesearch.com/).

God has His hand in every day common sayings of our day:

Escaped by the skin of my teeth.
This phrase also comes from the previous verses from Job 19.

Out of the mouths of babes.
Psalms 8:2 “Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.”

Spare the rod and spoil the child.
Proverbs 13:24 “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.”

Pride goes before a fall.
Proverbs 16:18 “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

A time and place for everything.
Ecclesiastes 3:1 “To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:”

Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we will die.
Ecclesiastes 8:15 “Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.”

Isaiah 22:13 “And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.”

Luke 12:19 “And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.”

A drop in the bucket.
Isaiah 40:15 “Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.”

Rise and shine.
Isaiah 60:1 “Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.”

A leopard cannot change his spots.
Jeremiah 13:23 “Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.”

Go the extra mile.
Matthew 5:41 “And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.”

United we stand. Divided we fall.
Matthew 12:25, 26 “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?”

The blind leading the blind.
Matthew 15:14 “Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”

A little birdie told me.
Matthew 16:23 “Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.”

The powers that be.
Romans 13:1 “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.”

God is there (even when we do not see Him).
His loving hand is guiding us if we are seeking after Him according to His Word.
For God works together all things for good to those who love Him.

God is so good.
He is so faithful;
Especially to His own Word in what it says.

Source used (for common every day phrases):
https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/20-everyday-sayings-and-quotes-found-in-the-bible/

The Bible may be infallible but we are not and there are an innumerable amount of examples where we got it wrong while using the bible as support. But apparently you've figured it out and implicitly claim that your interpretation of the Bible is also infallible and cannot be challenged.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 3, 2018

DamianWarS said:
The Bible may be infallible but we are not and there are an innumerable amount of examples where we got it wrong while using the bible as support. But apparently you've figured it out and implicitly claim that your interpretation of the Bible is also infallible and cannot be challenged.

No offense, friend, but that is a very adversarial response to what I stated.
While I do feel that many things I do believe are true according to God's Word, I am not saying that I am without flaw every time I interpret God's Word in every instance or case. But I think we can know what God's Word says if we seek the understanding by asking God for the Holy Spirit in opening our eyes to what He wants us to see. For truth is taught by God and not in the wisdom of men (As I am sure you would agree).

The truth of God's Word can be confirmed by two or three witnesses. Meaning, we can establish a truth in God's Word by looking to cross references. We can also establish the truth of God's Word by looking at the context, as well. But ultimately, without God, we would not have any understanding in what God's Word says. So being humble and praying for the truth on what God's Word says (even when we may think we may know) is key.

dcalling · Sep 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
I tend to lean towards the boat idea because man did not scatter upon the face of all the Earth until the tower of Babel. If the landmass was breaking apart, I think the seismic activity to such an event would crazy or insane and men would not be able to build, etc.

All is possible as we have no knowledge how God archived His goal (other than man definitely scattered).

The land shattering could be part of God's plan to have man scattered. Remember we humans are lazy and even the good ones did not scatter till persecution comes (Acts after death of Stephen). What better way to drive people out of high rises (those zigrats in middle east) and cities with earthquakes and huge waves behind them

Anto9us · Sep 3, 2018

one pair of kangaroos on the ark, but the mama kangaroo had a pouch of little ones

they slipped off behind the scenes to Australia, you can see them in the background

After the flood: How did kangaroos get to Australia?

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