Affirmative Action

[Axioma]

I call troll.

If only.

 

[Kharak]

If you honestly think there is no genetic difference between certain races then you really need to read some science. You see, there is a thing called an "Equator". I suggest you read its relation to race and genetic. There is also a thing called "micro-evolution". Where the body of the human being physically adjusts to the current conditions of the land, the weather, culture, and lifestyle. A white person will burn horribly if they lived in the same conditions as someone in Africa. Their skin would blister and probably kill them. So there is obvious differences in the genetic make up of different races.

You have proven you know nothing of human biology or history, or chose to summarily ignore anything you have learned.

The racial classifications that you know and love are completely arbitrary: Even the word "Caucasian" refers to the belief that all "white" people descended from a civilization based in the Caucasus mountains. Complete nonsense, but besides the point. The human species cannot be genetically classified into racial groups, it simply does not work. No one "race" is unique enough from the other and all are quite adept at inbreeding with one another over the countless epochs of human history.

Furthermore: India is closer to the equator than the before mentioned Swaziland, Sri Lankans often tend to be very dark . . . Yet India was the birthplace of civilization. Africans among Nigeria were among some of the first iron workers too, and we must never forget that the Europeans would not have had the Rennassaince had it not been for North African imports of knowledge. I take it that Brazil and Chile are terrible countries too? Mixing with the backwards natives could not have done that Portugese blood too good. They were 'inferior': They couldn't even built decent permanent structures as their Mesoamerican kin could.

 

[ebia]

lol. Are we resorting to personal insults again because you have no understanding what I'm saying? By the way, "country" has a large amount of definitions that apply to the word..I know Africa as a whole is a continent.

So you called it a country because....?

You might like to buy yourself at atlas - because:

Jamaica, Columbia, Honduras, el Salvador. All of which are smack right on the equator. Take a look at New Guinea. Another country right on the equator.

Jamaca, Honduras and el Salvador are a fair distance away from the equator and New Guinea is not a country. (New Guinea is made up of the country Papua New Guinea, and West Papua which is part of Indonesia).

As for the rest of your post, well,... less said the better really.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

And geography, history, economics, ... theology too for that matter. Hmm, what's left? How's his maths?

If you honestly think the equator has nothing to do with the makeup of people, then you really are beyond blind. I understand you can agree with your liberal brothers here and look all honorable. But I will look at the facts of the issue.


lol, no offense ebia, I have read some of your posts. And your talking to me about theology? when you say things like this:

"Hell is not the alternative to Heaven. Hell (if you want to call it that) "

Uh, sorry, but Hell does exist and is the only alternative to heaven

Scripture doesn't really say where evil 'comes from'.

To wipe it out would be to wipe us out with it, and he's committed to not doing that but to putting us and creation right.

And here it shows you obviously know nothing about Original sin, the redemption, or the abuse of free will.

The Gospels are superb teaching tools. The Catechism is not a teaching tool at all.

The Catechism is not a teaching tool at all?? lol..Have you even read the CCC?

The fact of Jesus life and death and the hypothetical fact of his resurrection forces a choice - accept that he is genuine and follow him, or do not

hypothetical fact? Uh no. Christ's resurrection is a solid actual real event. Believing in Jesus without believing his resurrection is the worst theological advice I think I've ever heard actually


I don't even wanna get into your posts where you obliterate the theology of the Trinity and the resurrection. But I suggest you look in your own house before bringing up other peoples theologies.. You got quite a glass house there.

Hows the schism in your church going??

 

[Braunwyn]

If you honestly think the equator has nothing to do with the makeup of people, then you really are beyond blind.

You are suggesting intellectual inferiority based on location to the equator, are you not? If this were the case, which it clearly isn't, then you are unknowningly poking holes in your usual arguments. A. you are suggesting that your wife falls in with those that are genetically wanting given the locale of Brazil, and hence your own brood. B. Since like tends to attract like, ime at least, you're not saying much for yourself. You have the internet, there is no excuse.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

You know very little, CIC. I don't have to resort to anything when it comes to you. You colorfully parade the fact that you are uneducated, both formally and informally, on these forums on a continual basis. Attemtping to play with definitions to defend yourself is priceless though.

And yet you just resorted to personally insulting me. Nice hypocrisy right there.

And this has what to do with intellectual capability? And you have absolutely no room to tell anyone to read some science or read anything at all when the bologna that comes out of your mouth is so blatently ridiculous

Do you do anything other than post ad-hominems? You didn't even address my post to you about the equator or micro-evolution. Do you honestly think I'm gonna let someone like you, who has no concept of God, actually try to talk to me about morality or intellect? When according to scripture you are a fool in God's eyes??

 

[CreedIsChrist]

You are suggesting intellectual inferiority based on location to the equator, are you not? If this were the case, which it clearly isn't, then you are unknowningly poking wholes in your usual arguments. A. you are suggesting that your wife falls in with those that are genetically wanting given the locale of Brazil, and hence your own brood. B. Since like tends to attract like, ime at least, you're not saying much for yourself. You have the internet, there is no excuse.

where did I say anything about intellect? Habit and intellect are totally different things.

What I was suggesting was genetic differences based on things like the equator and the culture of the people. Did you even wonder why people in the nothern areas are light skinned and people closer to the middle-south are dark skinned?? Do you see people in Iceland in straw huts hunting game with spears and performing pagan rituals??

Do you even know that the reason why Africa is mostly black is because black skin is able to deal with the harsher elements of the hot sun and weather in those areas?? Did you ever think that might be the reason why people closer to the equator are darker skinned? hmmmm

I don't even think the most blunt-liberal will even deny the violence and problems in Africa. But the reality is, is that the people are gonna adapt to that lifestyle and bring it with them in their blood line because that is all they know. Whos' gonna be more inclined to kill someone? A taliban raised child? or a child raised in suburbia in America?

 

[Braunwyn]

And yet you just resorted to personally insulting me. Nice hypocrisy right there.

So, you don't like me charging your intelligence while you charge the intelligence of others in the most assinine way you're capable? Too bad.

Do you do anything other than post ad-hominems? You didn't even address my post to you about the equator or micro-evolution. Do you honestly think I'm gonna let someone like you, who has no concept of God, actually try to talk to me about morality or intellect? When according to scripture you are a fool in God's eyes??

Oh yea, I'm the fool and you're bright as a star because your book says so. There is nothing to address in your post regarding the equator or evolution because you haven't posted anything of merit. You are the one stating intellectual ability based on whatever ideas you have about the equator. You have failed to provide evidence for your argument, so there's nothing to respond to. Nobody here is arguing against the existence of melanin. And any claims of morality will not substitute for your lack of education. That's simply on you.

 

[Braunwyn]

where did I say anything about intellect? Habit and intellect are totally different things.

What I was suggesting was genetic differences based on things like the equator and the culture of the people. Did you even wonder why people in the nothern areas are light skinned and people closer to the middle-south are dark skinned?? Do you see people in Iceland in straw huts hunting game with spears and performing pagan rituals??

Do you even know that the reason why Africa is mostly black is because black skin is able to deal with the harsher elements of the hot sun and weather in those areas?? Did you ever think that might be the reason why people closer to the equator are darker skinned? hmmmm

So, now you are suggesting social norms are correlated with producing melanin? Really?

I don't even think the most blunt-liberal will even deny the violence and problems in Africa. But the reality is, is that the people are gonna adapt to that lifestyle and bring it with them in their blood line because that is all they know. Whos' gonna be more inclined to kill someone? A taliban raised child? or a child raised in suburbia in America?

One thing is for sure, it's that the likes of you piggy back on the brightest the west has to offer. Lets call it geographical nepotism because it has zip to do with merit as this ridiculous post of yours highlights.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

So, you don't like me charging your intelligence while you charge the intelligence of others in the most assinine way you're capable? Too bad.

are you honestly that deaf?? I had said nothing about their intellect. I am talking about the habits picked up due to the culture that is relevant to their geographical location. Read that one very carefully before opening your mouth , ok?? If you live in an area where life is viewed as cheap your gonna be more prone to view the humanity of people as less than. A taliban raised child is gonna view life with much less respect than an American teenager. That is a fact.

Oh yea, I'm the fool and you're bright as a star because your book says so. There is nothing to address in your post regarding the equator or evolution because you haven't posted anything of merit. You are the one stating intellectual ability based on whatever ideas you have about the equator. You have failed to provide evidence for your argument, so there's nothing to respond to. Nobody here is arguing against the existence of melanin. And any claims of morality will not substitute for your lack of education. That's simply on you

no, you don't want to address the fact because you know its gonna prove my point. Or maybe your too scared to admit that high crime/murder and bad living conditions happen to be quite related to areas that are quite close to the equator, and that certain areas of the world have living conditions that cause people to change and adjust. A pagan man in Africa isn't gonna fair well in a big modern city, just as a white man in a city isn't gonna fair well in a pagan tribe in Africa. Their bodies adjust to the exterior conditions that they have been bred in.

One thing is for sure, it's that the likes of you piggy back on the brightest the west has to offer.

I'm sorry your grammar is off there, or your babbling something I don't understand

 

[moonkitty]

I don't think there's any such thing. Although, it may have taken him 4 years to complete his 2 year degree (associates).

A few community colleges will offer 4 year programs--usually in high demand feilds like nursing and education--Daytona Beach Community College is now called Daytona State college cause it offers a few 4 year degrees. But I think most of their programs are 2 year AA/AS degrees.

 

[Braunwyn]

are you honestly that deaf?? I had said nothing about their intellect. I am talking about the habits picked up due to the culture that is relevant to their geographical location. Read that one very carefully before opening your mouth , ok?? If you live in an area where life is viewed as cheap your gonna be more prone to view the humanity of people as less than. A taliban raised child is gonna view life with much less respect than an American teenager. That is a fact.

And how is this genetically passed on and socially expressed if not via one's intellectual ability? The argument is so stupid that it's near impossible to respond to.

no, you don't want to address the fact because you know its gonna prove my point. Or maybe your too scared to admit that high crime/murder and bad living conditions happen to be quite related to areas that are quite close to the equator, and that certain areas of the world have living conditions that cause people to change and adjust. A pagan man in Africa isn't gonna fair well in a big modern city, just as a white man in a city isn't gonna fair well in a pagan tribe in Africa. Their bodies adjust to the exterior conditions that they have been bred in.

The plight of Africa is a consequence of European colonialism. If you want to suggest a genetic root than bust out the science.

I'm sorry your grammar is off there, or your babbling something I don't understand

The statement may be poorly worded, but it's not due to grammar. To be clear, the success of your ilk is due to the success of those around you. You can talk smack all day about the supposed inferiority of others, while being privaledged yourself, because you have been afforded it by your community rather than earning it via merit. If anything, it's a greater insult to those you wish to point figers at because you don't have any excuses. You have been given all the opportunity this planet has to offer and yet your remain willfully uneducated.

 

[Braunwyn]

A few community colleges will offer 4 year programs--usually in high demand feilds like nursing and education--Daytona Beach Community College is now called Daytona State college cause it offers a few 4 year degrees. But I think most of their programs are 2 year AA/AS degrees.

Yea, that's probably why they're now called a state college.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

And how is this genetically passed on and socially expressed if not via one's intellectual ability? The argument is so stupid that it's near impossible to respond to.

Do you even know what micro-evolution is?? Habit?

The plight of Africa is a consequence of European colonialism. If you want to suggest a genetic root than bust out the science.

I see the liberal propaganda is doing quite well brainwashing you with White Guilt. You know its better to think for yourself rather than have the media tell you what to think.

The statement may be poorly worded, but it's not due to grammar. To be clear, the success of your ilk is due to the success of those around you. You can talk smack all day about the supposed inferiority of others, while being privileged yourself, because you have been afforded it by your community rather than earning it via merit. If anything, it's a greater insult to those you wish to point figers at because you don't have any excuses. You have been given all the opportunity this planet has to offer and yet your remain willfully uneducated

Wow, that white guilt must be killing you , huh.. Privileged? I'm sorry, but I earn my own living and make my own money. I don't mooch off the government and believe everyone owes me because of the past. Or maybe I should, how bout you Marxist atheists and pagans repay the Christians for all the torture and murder you caused. Maybe we should get affirmative action for every Christian family thrown to the loins or bought as slaves from the Pagans.

Also..

Don't you think its kinda dishonest to write poorly worded grammatically incorrect statements while claiming others are uneducated??

 

[Braunwyn]

Do you even know what micro-evolution is?? Habit?

Of course not CIC. I'm a scientist and a woman. I couldn't possibly have a clue about evolution.

I see the liberal propaganda is doing quite well brainwashing you with White Guilt. You know its better to think for yourself rather than have the media tell you what to think.

Unlike you, I have an education. My introduction to European colonialism was through a French history class, not the boob tube.

Wow, that white guilt must be killing you , huh.. Privileged? I'm sorry, but I earn my own living and make my own money. I don't mooch off the government and believe everyone owes me because of the past. Or maybe I should, how bout you Marxist atheists and pagans repay the Christians for all the torture and murder you caused. Maybe we should get affirmative action for every Christian family thrown to the loins or bought as slaves from the Pagans.

White guilt? Give me a break. Having an awareness of history does not need to result in guilt. The whole concept of white guilt is another ruse taken by those to justify assinine worldviews. One thing I cannot stand about undeducated white folk that charge the inferiority of others, due to our advanced society, is that you all attempt take credit for the work done by others (the scientists, the educated, etc). As if being white some how makes you better when your own contributions are wanting.

Don't you think its kinda dishonest to write poorly worded grammatically incorrect statements while claiming others are uneducated??

You are uneducated. That's a fact, not some random claim. It is true whether I note it or not. Normally, I wouldn't but I simply cannot let your posts fly. And really, there is nothing wrong with my sentence, grammatically or otherwise. You and yours ride on the backs of those that make the west technologically advanced, while posting tripe of your superiority compared with others. The fact that you fail to understand this, because you don't know any better, has little to do with my choice of words.

 

[roflcopter101]

Do you even know what micro-evolution is?? Habit?

I believe you are confusing evolution with Lamarck's theories... (Transmutation of species - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

I see the liberal propaganda is doing quite well brainwashing you with White Guilt. You know its better to think for yourself rather than have the media tell you what to think.

There are a few relatively successful nations in Africa. South Africa, Algeria, Kenya, etc. Most nations in turmoil are in Central Africa, which is farther from the equator.

How does the media tell me that colonialism caused severe problems in the world after WWII? Is that not equally independent thought as your theory of genetic traits causing poverty?

I'm sorry, but I earn my own living and make my own money. I don't mooch off the government and believe everyone owes me because of the past. Or maybe I should, how bout you Marxist atheists and pagans repay the Christians for all the torture and murder you caused. Maybe we should get affirmative action for every Christian family thrown to the loins or bought as slaves from the Pagans.

Think about it this way: would you be able to have an education and a job if your parents were poor, homeless, and struggling daily to put food on the dinner table?
What if there were no teachers at your school because they had been put to work in the countryside as part of a "Great Reform?"
Would you be able to live as good as you are now without the aid of those around you?

Affirmative action isn't based on guilt.
Affirmative action seeks to address social inequality between different races, ethnic groups, or genders to improve the opportunities of disadvantaged members of such groups, thereby increasing social mobility in the long run by providing subsequent generations with an equal footing with other races, ethnic groups, or gender.
Seeing as Christians have (in general) relatively high economic status in white families in the US, there would be no need for affirmative action. On the other hand, Christians exist in all parts of society, from the top to the bottom of the social/economic ladder. As such, it would be inefficient to have affirmative action based on Christianity, as too many people would be targeted, and because these people would not all require affirmative action.

 

[Kharak]

Maybe we should get affirmative action for every Christian family thrown to the loins or bought as slaves from the Pagans.

The Lithuanians called: They want the descendents of the Teutonic order to repay them for the enslavement of the Baltic peoples.

Oh yeah, once again: There is not genetic basis for the divisions of humanity by "race".

 

[ebia]

If you honestly think the equator has nothing to do with the makeup of people, then you really are beyond blind. I understand you can agree with your liberal brothers here and look all honorable. But I will look at the facts of the issue.

Let's have some scholarly scientific citations then.

lol, no offense ebia, I have read some of your posts. And your talking to me about theology? when you say things like this:

Addressing your quotemined comments pulled out of context from other threads would draw this thread off topic. I'm happy to address them in a new thread if you care to start such and let me know.

hypothetical fact? Uh no. Christ's resurrection is a solid actual real event. Believing in Jesus without believing his resurrection is the worst theological advice I think I've ever heard actually

I do need to point out that this one is a particularly unpleasant and misleading piece of quotemining. The use of the word hypothetical refers to the position of the person I'm talking to in the context of the thread. I affirm both Trinity and the physical Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.

You appear to be reduced to trying to discredit people by pulling out of context quotes that portray them as holding views they do not hold. That strikes me as quite dishonest.

 

[ebia]

are you honestly that deaf?? I had said nothing about their intellect. I am talking about the habits picked up due to the culture that is relevant to their geographical location. Read that one very carefully before opening your mouth , ok?? If you live in an area where life is viewed as cheap your gonna be more prone to view the humanity of people as less than. A taliban raised child is gonna view life with much less respect than an American teenager. That is a fact.

Now what are you on about? Afghanistan is no closer to the Equator than Palestine - the cradle of Christianity, and barely any closer than Italy.

Now I haven't been to Afghanistan, but I have been to N.W.F.P. and I know the people there have as much respect for life as most westerners. What they don't have is the luxury of stable government - and never have had since my country (Britain) got involved.

no, you don't want to address the fact because you know its gonna prove my point. Or maybe your too scared to admit that high crime/murder and bad living conditions happen to be quite related to areas that are quite close to the equator, and that certain areas of the world have living conditions that cause people to change and adjust. A pagan man in Africa isn't gonna fair well in a big modern city, just as a white man in a city isn't gonna fair well in a pagan tribe in Africa. Their bodies adjust to the exterior conditions that they have been bred in.

An awful lot of Africans are Christian or Muslim. Only a handful of African countries are still primarily pagan.

 

[PassionFruit]

I'm sorry your grammar is off there, or your babbling something I don't understand

You're talking about her grammar? And you've shown to have the most atrocious grammar I've seen on this forum? Really?

And I'm not surprised you don't understand what she's supposedly "babbling" about.

Wow, that white guilt must be killing you , huh.. Privileged? I'm sorry, but I earn my own living and make my own money. I don't mooch off the government and believe everyone owes me because of the past. Or maybe I should, how bout you Marxist atheists and pagans repay the Christians for all the torture and murder you caused. Maybe we should get affirmative action for every Christian family thrown to the loins or bought as slaves from the Pagans

Stop hurting us with your lack of knowledge!!!!



Dr. W.E.B DuBois would also like to have a word with you.