Affirmative Action

[k]

So how far do we go ? Where is the AA for Asians ? Oh right, they never were discriminated against in the US.

The policy to “disabuse a few hundred years of racism” is called Non-discrimination. Non-discrimination doesn’t pretend that racism doesn’t exist – that’s why the law was put there in the first place.

AA says that racism will always exist, so we’ll just give up and try to tilt the field back in certain minorities favour. As a blunt instrument, it works in some cases. But it’s morally bankrupt.

No where in my quoted post do I exclude AA for Asians, or Latinos, or Native Americans, nor any other group that was oppressed by white europeans.

AA does not say racism will always exist, but that is one of the myths put out against AA.

 

[Marek]

Nobody really addressed this yet: Why aren't liberals fighting for equal representation in the NBA?

 

[MethodMan]

Nobody really addressed this yet: Why aren't liberals fighting for equal representation in the NBA?

I can speculate. Are we talking about players? Owners?

 

[Marek]

I can speculate. Are we talking about players? Owners?

players/staff

 

[k]

Nobody really addressed this yet: Why aren't liberals fighting for equal representation in the NBA?

Well...probably because there has been no premise yet. It needs to be shown that whites have been historically and categorically discriminated against in the NBA. Thought it was mostly African-Americans who have suffered from that?

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

No where in my quoted post do I exclude AA for Asians, or Latinos, or Native Americans, nor any other group that was oppressed by white europeans.

But in practice Asians don't get AA because they have a higher than average representation in universities. But higher representation != no racism, just as the opposite is not always true.

 

[praying]

And yet, you belong to the same party that did these things to him.

Apparently you wern't following or chose not to (I take the latter) follow my theme, the party didn't do those things to him, the rankand file did, both of the demcratic and republican party.

So, do you think that these white people were Republicans or Democrats?

I think they were both. I think the argument of of who had the most racist sin their party 40 years and beyond ago is merely an argument to ausausge ones concious, why I don't know. The very argument whites make against AA, why should I pay, apologize, make concessins as Jetgirl put it for what happened in the past that I was not part of is the very thing you are asking me to judge the Democratic party by.

Having grown up in Alabama, just outside Birmingham, and knowing the political climate and history of that city at that time, I can assure you that it was a Democratically run city.

Okay, what should that mean to me?

The dogs, the fire hoses, Bull Connor (known for nothing, if not his brutal treatment of blacks), Al Boutwell, Art Hanes (who actually ordered that city parks and public facilities be closed altogether, rather than be desegregated), J. W. Morgan and George Wallace (who once declared "segregation now, segregation forever!") were all Democrats.

And again what should I do about that now?

The segregationists were overwhelmingly Democrat. In fact, I'm having a hard time thinking of any Republicans. Evidently, LBJ had the same problem. He praised the Republicans for rescuing the Civil Rights Act from the Democrats.

I know that you are not advocating that white rank and file Republicans were all sweetness and light to African Americans, you are being patently intellectually dishonest if you are.

You still cannot deny that the people who did these things were Democrats.

I am not denying that some democrats as some republicans did these things. The idea that you are trying to foster that only white democrats believed in segregration is absurd.

 

[k]

But in practice Asians don't get AA because they have a higher than average representation in universities. But higher representation != no racism, just as the opposite is not always true.

Asians DO RECEIVE AA!!

 

[praying]

How about a hug?

/me throws herself on the floor kicking and screaming, I want a prize!

 

[Marek]

Well...probably because there has been no premise yet. It needs to be shown that whites have been historically and categorically discriminated against in the NBA. Thought it was mostly African-Americans who have suffered from that?

There are several businesses that have not discriminated against blacks or whites in the past, yet they must adhere to affirmative action. Why should the NBA be any different?

 

[Donkeytron]

Actually, the Democrats used to be an honorable party. But those days are long gone.



Nothing I said was vicious.

Partisan? Maybe. I don't see how you can discuss the Democrats' history on racial issues and not be partisan.

Unless, of course, you agree with the stand they took in those days.

If I recall correctly the republicans were just publically apologizing for their "southern strategy".

And I guess you don't define honor by the number of investigations your top party officials are involved in.

 

[praying]

Asians DO RECEIVE AA!!

I told him that, people don't listen.

 

[praying]

Nobody really addressed this yet: Why aren't liberals fighting for equal representation in the NBA?

I did. I said white men can't jump.

 

[12volt_man]

Well...probably because there has been no premise yet. It needs to be shown that whites have been historically and categorically discriminated against in the NBA. Thought it was mostly African-Americans who have suffered from that?

But isn't it unfair that they're being unequally represented, just because blacks, by nature, have better atheletic skills?

 

[Marek]

I did. I said white men can't jump.

Would it be equally as funny if I said that black men don't get hired for white collar jobs because they're stupid?

 

[praying]

There are several businesses that have not discriminated against blacks or whites in the past, yet they must adhere to affirmative action. Why should the NBA be any different?

The real serious answer no federal ties.

 

[praying]

But isn't it unfair that they're being unequally represented, just because blacks, by nature, have better atheletic skills?

Do you really think that is true? Or do you think it is a function of where Blacks are pushed?

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

I told him that, people don't listen.

Which I addressed in my response.

 

[12volt_man]

Do you really think that is true? Or do you think it is a function of where Blacks are pushed?

Have you watched an N.B.A. game, recently?

 

[praying]

Have you watched an N.B.A. game, recently?

So did we all of sudden aquire these skills post the color barrier being broken in the NBA?

I know that the majority of the players are black, that does not necessarily correlate to blacks by nature are better athletes. Thus the reason Iasked the question.