Affirmative Action

[BarbB]

I work in the construction trade here in Boston...the racism is horrible.

Amen. I was pretty horrified by the racism in Massachusetts in general.

 

[praying]

But isn't that all the more reason they need the nanny state to come in and level the playing field?

No because they have nanny daddy to come in and level the field for them.

cough GWB cough

Besides:

Each contracting agency in the Executive Branch of government must include the equal opportunity clause in each of its nonexempt government contracts. The equal opportunity clause requires that the contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

Now if people actually did that perhaps we wouldn't need the "nanny" state. I say people made their bed now they don't like laying in it well in all honesty, too bad.

If they're going to be consistent, then they should say, "if we are going to have a colorblind society, then we must legislate that N.B.A. teams give preference to white players."

Unfortunately we are not going to have a colorblind society and I don't know anyone who thinks so.

 

[Jetgirl]

Ever done any work for NYCTA? MARTA? WAMATA?

Or the DOD, or NAVAIR.

They hire the most useless people to fill racial quotas (useless because they're totally inept, unmotivated, and unqualified, not on any appearance basis).

Unfortunately this means that real workplace backlash discrimination occurs when someone who is a minority and really IS qualified is thrown in the mix. They have to work four times as hard to prove that they're not just someone there because someone up in management thinks the floor has too many white men.

 

[Jetgirl]

Unfortunately we are not going to have a colorblind society and I don't know anyone who thinks so.

If we're not going to have a colorblind society why did they spend so much time and effort teaching the children of my generation to be colorblind?

I never even really had a concept of race as a significant difference between people until I got to college and discovered that, for some reason, black people who grew up in the same neighborhoods and same economic situations as I were very negative towards me.

 

[12volt_man]

No because they have nanny daddy to come in and level the field for them.

cough GWB cough

OK. He's been in office for four years now. What has he done to help white players in the N.B.A.?

Now if people actually did that perhaps we wouldn't need the "nanny" state. I say people made their bed now they don't like laying in it well in all honesty, too bad.

But we do need it because liberals would be like a rudderless ship without it.

 

[praying]

But we do need it because liberals would be like a rudderless ship without it.

What does being liberal have to do with people disriminating?

Let me ask should nothing have been done, should the "nanny" state left the status quo as is?

 

[praying]

If we're not going to have a colorblind society why did they spend so much time and effort teaching the children of my generation to be colorblind?

I don't know, and I don'y know who they are what I do know is people discriminate. Period. So I ask you like I asked 12 volt man should nothing have been done, should the "nanny" state left the status quo as is?

I never even really had a concept of race as a significant difference between people until I got to college and discovered that, for some reason, black people who grew up in the same neighborhoods and same economic situations as I were very negative towards me.

And? What's your point? Are you comparing a few blacks who were negative towards you to 250 years of systemic racism? Doesn't fly in my book.

 

[12volt_man]

Let me ask should nothing have been done, should the "nanny" state left the status quo as is?

The Civil Rights Act and Voting Act were about the extent to which the government should be involved.

By the way, Democrats fought hard to defeat both of those.

 

[Jetgirl]

I don't know, and I don'y know who they are what I do know is people discriminate. Period. So I ask you like I asked 12 volt man should nothing have been done, should the "nanny" state left the status quo as is?

Should the government be trying to forcibly correct what it at most these days a social issue?

And? What's your point? Are you comparing a few blacks who were negative towards you to 250 years of systemic racism? Doesn't fly in my book.

What really gets me, is that I, who was raised to be a colorblind as possible without forcibly removing my eyes, am catching flack for things done by dead people to other dead people.

No black person living today was ever an American slave. No white person living today was a slave holder. How long do white people who haven't done anything have to say "Sorry" for things that people who don't exist anymore did?

I'm not sorry, because I never did those things, and decry them.

I am trying to achieve the actual equality (as in everyone is treated completely equally) that has been trumpeted so long, and it seems like the people who were so adamanet for calling for it now want it not to happen.

 

[Jetgirl]

In the midst of this I do have a sugestion:

If we're going to help disadvantaged people make it to college, why not do it on the basis of economic status and basic qualifications?

That would ensure that it the process would not involve race, but that everyone who is coming from a blighted area or has severe economic hardships would get a leg-up.

I think this is probably already in place in a number of ways, but converting solely to it would help eliminate the usage of race as a qualification factor (which is by it's very nature racist) but not remove opportunity from ANYONE coming from a disadvantaged background.

 

[MethodMan]

Should the government be trying to forcibly correct what it at most these days a social issue?



What really gets me, is that I, who was raised to be a colorblind as possible without forcibly removing my eyes, am catching flack for things done by dead people to other dead people.

No black person living today was ever an American slave. No white person living today was a slave holder. How long do white people who haven't done anything have to say "Sorry" for things that people who don't exist anymore did?

I'm not sorry, because I never did those things, and decry them.

I am trying to achieve the actual equality (as in everyone is treated completely equally) that has been trumpeted so long, and it seems like the people who were so adamanet for calling for it now want it not to happen.

You sound like my wife. GET OFF THE NET AND COOK MY DINNER!

 

[praying]

The Civil Rights Act and Voting Act were about the extent to which the government should be involved.

and you think that would have been enough to turnt he tide of racism? You have more faith in people than I do.

By the way, Democrats fought hard to defeat both of those.

Really, interesting, BTW the way did you know those peple were white?

 

[k]

But I thought Boston was a Democrat haven.

This is why I think media/political stereotypes are SOOOOOO damaging...people get this ideas about places and stick to those ideas without realizing the possibility that the propaganda cannot be believed.

Frankly, I thought the same thing until I moved here. It's very complex and there are some great things about Boston, but racism is horrible.

 

[k]

But isn't that all the more reason they need the nanny state to come in and level the playing field?



If they're going to be consistent, then they should say, "if we are going to have a colorblind society, then we must legislate that N.B.A. teams give preference to white players."

Demonstrate a shortage of white players in the NBA. Oh, how many African-Americans are in the NHL??? (not being serious on the last question.)

 

[Jetgirl]

You sound like my wife. GET OFF THE NET AND COOK MY DINNER!

I'm not a very good cook.

I can make a mean palak paneer however. Looks like pond scum, tastes like heaven.

See, I'm actually pretty diversified. I can't remember the last time I had "American" food. Our house is strictly India/North Africa/Japan/Jamaica, as far as cuisine goes. I've learned a bit of several different languages so I can go shopping for groceries for this stuff.

 

[praying]

In the midst of this I do have a sugestion:

If we're going to help disadvantaged people make it to college, why not do it on the basis of economic status and basic qualifications?

That would ensure that it the process would not involve race, but that everyone who is coming from a blighted area or has severe economic hardships would get a leg-up.

I have no porblem with this, it is unfortunate that this basically equates to race also but I have no problem with that at all.

 

[12volt_man]

and you think that would have been enough to turnt he tide of racism? You have more faith in people than I do.

Racism cannot be legislated. It's something that happens in the minds of the racists.

Reverse racism, which is really all that affirmative action is, only re-enforces racist ideas in the mind of the racist.

Really, interesting, BTW the way did you know those peple were white?

I did. They were white Democrats.

 

[k]

Racism cannot be legislated. It's something that happens in the minds of the racists.

Reverse racism, which is really all that affirmative action is, only re-enforces racist ideas in the mind of the racist.



I did. They were white Democrats.

Racism has been legislated SOOOOOOO many times in the US I am surprised this claim has been made. Most OBVIOUS example..."Whites Only"

AA is NOT reverse racism because it is NOT African Americans as a group, oppressing whites as a group.

 

[Jetgirl]

I have no porblem with this, it is unfortunate that this basically equates to race also but I have no problem with that at all.

It is unfortuante that it equates.

I think, however, that this would be a good way for disadvantaged people of all races to be helped.

And that's what we want, right?

That's what I want. For all American people to be able to come from any background and create success for themselves.

 

[12volt_man]

Racism has been legislated SOOOOOOO many times in the US I am surprised this claim has been made. Most OBVIOUS example..."Whites Only"

That's not legislating racism. That's legislating discrimination.

Racism is an attitude. Discrimination is an act.

The two are not the same thing.

One can legislate an act. It is impossible for one to legislate an attitude.

AA is NOT reverse racism because it is NOT African Americans as a group, oppressing whites as a group.

No, it is liberals favoring one race over another and punishing one race to the benefit of another based simply on race.

That is, by it's very definition, racism.