Affirmative Action

[k]

The thing of it is, AA for education is extremely important, and fair. If society is not going to properly fund public high schools in low income areas, which are inhabited almost exclusively by minorities, then it seems very unfair to hold these kids to the same standards on entrance exams as kids who have had the benefit of well funded schools.

It seems one good way to off-set the imbalances would be to revamp the status quo concerning property taxes. All public schools in any given state should be given the same funding based on student population.

 

[TScott]

It seems one good way to off-set the imbalances would be to revamp the status quo concerning property taxes. All public schools in any given state should be given the same funding based on student population.

The federal government has no jurisdiction there. They tried to exert pressure on the school districts in the seventies with the "bussing" fiasco. In some cities it's not even enough to give them the funding, in some inner city areas all the funding in the world is not going to attract teachers when the schools resemble war zones, however when you have students that are obviously college material it is very important to afford them the opportunities. These kids, in many cases, will and have come back with the training needed to turn things around in their old 'hoods.

 

[k]

The federal government has no jurisdiction there. They tried to exert pressure on the school districts in the seventies with the "bussing" fiasco. In some cities it's not even enough to give them the funding, in some inner city areas all the funding in the world is not going to attract teachers when the schools resemble war zones, however when you have students that are obviously college material it is very important to afford them the opportunities. These kids, in many cases, will and have come back with the training needed to turn things around in their old 'hoods.

It is in the best interest of the Fed. gov. to have jurisdiction there.

 

[MethodMan]

It is in the best interest of the Fed. gov. to have jurisdiction there.

Yeah - They should be in absolute control of everything.

 

[k]

Yeah - They should be in absolute control of everything.

C'mon...isn't that taking what I said to the extreme?

 

[praying]

It seems one good way to off-set the imbalances would be to revamp the status quo concerning property taxes. All public schools in any given state should be given the same funding based on student population.

The Texas Supreme Court just struckdown the use of property taxes to fund schools.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aDGoJzcsvOvE

 

[MethodMan]

C'mon...isn't that taking what I said to the extreme?

Not unless you can demonstrate why it is in the best interest of the Fed.

 

[k]

The Texas Supreme Court just struckdown the use of property taxes to fund schools.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aDGoJzcsvOvE

"State Judge John Dietz declared the school finance system unconstitutional in November 2004 in part because of inequitable funding between wealthy and poor school districts. Dietz, before the Supreme Court took up the case, had threatened to close the state's schools if the state didn't come up with more funding."


Yes! That's what I'm talking about!


Thanks for the link.

 

[k]

Not unless you can demonstrate why it is in the best interest of the Fed.

What branch of government is resonsible for keeping Peace when the State levels fail?

 

[MethodMan]

What branch of government is resonsible for keeping Peace when the State levels fail?

Now it's keeping the peace?

Define State level's failure!

 

[k]

Now it's keeping the peace?

Define State level's failure!

Define "State"

It's all about the spiral of violence in a society.

 

[MethodMan]

Define "State"

It's all about the spiral of violence in a society.

So now my statement stands -

Yeah - They should be in absolute control of everything.

come back with substance at some point.

 

[praying]

come back with substance at some point.

The irony.

 

[TScott]

It is in the best interest of the Fed. gov. to have jurisdiction there.

Maybe, but it would require an amendment to the constitution, which would be nearly impossible for obvious reasons (States will probably not be keen in relinquishing rights they are given by the tenth Amendment). It may be easier to nationalize the public school system, and that would be very difficult at best.

The system of AA in college admissions has an excellent record. You could fill a book with the thousands of success stories associated with it. Regardless of the myths you may hear on the internet, the only non-minority students that have been turned away because of AA have been students with marginal GPAs and SAT scores. Most of these students would probably be better off going to a community college for a year or two till they get their act together anyway.

 

[k]

Maybe, but it would require an amendment to the constitution, which would be nearly impossible for obvious reasons (States will probably not be keen in relinquishing rights they are given by the tenth Amendment). It may be easier to nationalize the public school system, and that would be very difficult at best.

The system of AA in college admissions has an excellent record. You could fill a book with the thousands of success stories associated with it. Regardless of the myths you may hear on the internet, the only non-minority students that have been turned away because of AA have been students with marginal GPAs and SAT scores. Most of these students would probably be better off going to a community college for a year or two till they get their act together anyway.

I think it would be too cumbersome to have a national public ed. system. I don't see how it would be unConstitutional for the Fed level to step in and disabuse State systems that systematically hurt certain geographical areas on a historical basis. Can there be a balance between taking States' Rights and holding them accountable?

 

[MachZer0]

Regardless of the myths you may hear on the internet, the only non-minority students that have been turned away because of AA have been students with marginal GPAs and SAT scores. Most of these students would probably be better off going to a community college for a year or two till they get their act together anyway.

Are there any statisitics or studies to substantiate a claim that the only non-minority students that have been turned away because of AA have been students with marginal GPAs and SAT scores? As I recall, there was a lawsuit by a student who was rejected for admission who claims otherwise.

 

[Billnew]

Is this claim based on any evidence that could be shared w/ the rest of us?

I will have to check my post, I believe I said you'd be hard pressed to find a AMerican male Doctor. If I said it as if I have done a study, I appologize.
I currently interpret for several DR in the hospital Iwork for. I don't speak a foriegn language I am just able to hear better and figure out what they are saying.
I work with approx 20 Residents, 2-3 are Male white, 2 white females and the rest are minorities(very few African Americans(2maybe?))Oriental, Arabic, and other third world countries.

I have worked in hospitals in 2 states, and it is all personal experience.
I currently work at a teaching hospital(Federal controlled Hostpital)
If someone can show med students or interns based on race, I have no doubt
the male white is in very small numbers. Probably American born would be low numbers too.

As far as Arizona, It is County sheriff, but if the Federal goverment does it, then
States and COunties follow suit.(Lawyer claims-Federal goverment does this, so why doesn't this section of goverment?)

Even if not fully adopted, AA influences all choices if any minorities are involved.

THINKING PROCESS:
Candidate A is better then all others, but Candidate E, is a minority, and we currently are low on minority employees at this level, can we hire "A", and defend this if we have to go to court? And would the experience difference be worth the court costs, if we don't hire "E"?

Do we accept racial descrimination or don't we? Either it's bad either way or its acceptable both ways.
Is it okay, to not hire a minority because the company has enough? If you force people to hire minorities, then they aren't going to want to hire them when they don't have too.
IMO it should be qualifications, not color-ation.

 

[MachZer0]

I work with approx 20 Residents, 2-3 are Male white, 2 white females and the rest are minorities(very few African Americans(2maybe?))Oriental, Arabic, and other third world countries.

I'm sorry, but Oriental and Arabic covers are large geographic area in which not all countries would be considered 3rd world. Not to be picky or anything

 

[sethad]

lol...oriental being "third world"...thats funny...

in other words everything is "third world" that isnt America and Europe I guess.

oh wait. that would mean anyone who isnt white!! thats discrimination!!

just joking lol. but its still funny.

 

[TScott]

Are there any statisitics or studies to substantiate a claim that the only non-minority students that have been turned away because of AA have been students with marginal GPAs and SAT scores? As I recall, there was a lawsuit by a student who was rejected for admission who claims otherwise.

Could you cite the case? I'm referring to the policies. can there be occasional instances of exceptions? I suppose there could be, but if they are in court, I'm sure they will sort it out. I believe there was such a case a few years ago at Michigan, but it was involving admissions to a graduate school at the University, which would not fall under the auspices of Federal AA statutes.