Affirmative Action - Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice

[praying]

(Stroke of pure genius) What if the poor kids were allowed to go to the same school that the rich kids went to? Yes.... Vouchers!!!. Then the whole equation would change: Poor neighborhood = Poor kids going to school paid for by rich kids!
But is is the Lefties who control the schools. Vouchers would even the playing field without racial discrimination.

Not really because vouchers do not cover the entire cost of private school, so it is still an issue.

 

[jameseb]

MY QUESTION! NOW, I've just smoked a cigerette b/c you took too long to answer!

Nite Eric!

Nite hon... and I play nice when I'm played nice with. If they want to get smart about it, I'm their huckleberry.

 

[praying]

okay I have pulled a Blessed and made numerous posts in a row.

Blessed what is yor ?

James what are you and Doctirne1st disagreeing on, I can't find a post of yours in this thread.

Why is one of my posts censored, I didn't say a bad word, least wise my mind did not, my typing fingers could have said anything since more often than not they don't type what I am thinking anyway

 

[Blessed75]

Eric, will you quote my ORIGINAL question b/c mother seems to be so torked she can't see the forest for the trees, geez, i was trying to lighten the mood in here and mom is making it difficult - lol

 

[praying]

Mhatten, I edited that post

I am lost in my own thread, it's a darn shame...LOL help me!

what post did you edit?

 

[Blessed75]

Mom - I'm tired, can I go to bed now?

Sorry, tension breaker - HAD TO BE DONE.

Now, kids, when I wake up in the morning, I expect this thread to NOT be locked. Susan doesn't like it when we start slinging sand outta the sandbox and at each other. If you can't play nicely, then go to the swing sets on the other side of the park.

Nitey Nite! Sweet dreams.........

PETER, PAUL AND MARY - ERIC IS GONE NOW, HERE'S THE QUESTION, IT'S IN BOLD, TRYING TO LIGHTEN THE MOOD HERE BUT NOW YOU'RE MESSIN' IT UP!

NOW I have a headache and I'm really going to bed - now that i've totally derailed this thread- I bet if your other daughter had been on here, you'd have answered her right away! You know - the HEATHEN one!

 

[praying]

HELP I am Confused!!!!​

Okay and also the only reason I started this thread was to set the record straight on Colin Powell and Condileeza Rice's postion on AA. I would have posted their quotes there but the thread was closed.

 

[praying]

PETER, PAUL AND MARY - ERIC IS GONE NOW, HERE'S THE QUESTION, IT'S IN BOLD, TRYING TO LIGHTEN THE MOOD HERE BUT NOW YOU'RE MESSIN' IT UP!

NOW I have a headache and I'm really going to bed - now that i've totally derailed this thread- I bet if your other daughter had been on here, you'd have answered her right away! You know - the HEATHEN one!

LOL...my heathen daughter always agrees with me

 

[Blessed75]

LOL...my heathen daughter always agrees with me

rofl - talk about PREJUDICE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jameseb]

LOL, you and Mom both have me confused now

 

[praying]

So who's fault is that? Shouldn't the blame be placed on the people responsible for providing that education? My views on public education are fairly well known on this board; for those of you who don't know me well, I have no use for public schooling.

Now, you're citing education as a factor in the question of Affirmative Action. Therefore, I believe I can safely assume that you're referring to the education received by poor blacks in the inner cities of America. Am I correct?

If so, let's take a look at who's running the education system in those inner cities. The education bureaucracy is SOLIDLY in the Democrat camp. They've been complaining about Bush's No Child Left Behind Act (which, I'll mention, I am opposed to), and they've been complaining that they need more and more and more and more and more money.

If you want to improve the education of poor black children in the inner cities, start paying attention to how much money is being spent on education, and how much is actually getting to the classrooms. In 1991, there were more education administration personnel (principals, superintendents, assistant superintendents, school board trustees, etc.) in New York City (not State, but City) than there were in all of Europe. http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/18t.htm

Until the education system is changed to ensure that money is allocated to the classroom instead of to the school board's swank new offices, inner city children will never get the education they deserve and need to function in society.

What good does it do to put a black student, or any student, into college if he was never taught to read in public school?

 

[jameseb]

James what are you and Doctirne1st disagreeing on, I can't find a post of yours in this thread.

Well, judging by my post and his disagreeance, it seems he feels prejudice in the workplace is ramapant. I disagree, or rather, I want him to provide proof instead of giving me a 'smart' response.

Why is one of my posts censored, I didn't say a bad word, least wise my mind did not, my typing fingers could have said anything since more often than not they don't type what I am thinking anyway

LOL, huh?

 

[jameseb]

PETER, PAUL AND MARY - ERIC IS GONE NOW, HERE'S THE QUESTION, IT'S IN BOLD, TRYING TO LIGHTEN THE MOOD HERE BUT NOW YOU'RE MESSIN' IT UP!

NOW I have a headache and I'm really going to bed - now that i've totally derailed this thread- I bet if your other daughter had been on here, you'd have answered her right away! You know - the HEATHEN one!

LOL, good job, you got Mom all confused!!!!

 

[praying]

I totally agree that all are entitled to equal rights too However..... *gets ready to be pelted with raw onions and bowls of Corn Flakes* I question the wisdom of Affirmative Action. I've seen it breed exactly what it is supposed to protect against. I've personally never been witness to someone not being hired because of the color of their skin.... or for their politics, their favorite football team, their religion, etc. As these boards can attest to, there are other factors that divide us. Obviously the color of your skin is impossible to hide, but I don't feel it is the problem that some would make it out to be. I mean, at what point do we say there is total equality and there is no longer a need for it? What exactly will be the definitive end of what we might perceive as racial bias in the workplace?

Yeah I found your post...wooo. maytbe it's the hour!!

Race will always be an issue, not sure how we will ever get around that. Of course you have never been a witness, it is not a blatant thing any longer, but I am sure it happens.

Is it a big issue, I don't know the answer to that question.

 

[jameseb]

Yeah I found your post...wooo. maytbe it's the hour!!

LOL!!!

Race will always be an issue, not sure how we will ever get around that. Of course you have never been a witness, it is not a blatant thing any longer, but I am sure it happens.

Is it a big issue, I don't know the answer to that question.

Yes, that's the question I wonder if there will ever be an answer to.

 

[CyNix]

I think that if you are economically disadvantaged you should be eligible for scholarships.

Affirmative action though is not money.

As far as scholarship for particular groups or interests or whatever I have no problem with that. There are scholarships for everything not just need, have you looked into that since you have a 3.97 average you should be able to honor scholarships.

I have looked into it. I have found some Fed. funds for low income that I am in the process of aplying for. However honor scholorships are very few, and are pretty much immposible to find that do not require a high school transcript, and letters of recommendation from school staff ect... Like I said before, it would be a lot easier if I was a racial minority. I have looked into that. I even checked the family tree, but I am all white all five generations that I have records of.
Anyways, I am not worried. I am praying, and God has always helped our family when we have come up short.

 

[praying]

I have looked into it. I have found some Fed. funds for low income that I am in the process of aplying for. However honor scholorships are very few, and are pretty much immposible to find that do not require a high school transcript, and letters of recommendation from school staff ect... Like I said before, it would be a lot easier if I was a racial minority. I have looked into that. I even checked the family tree, but I am all white all five generations that I have records of.
Anyways, I am not worried. I am praying, and God has always helped our family when we have come up short.

Praises for God!!

I assume you did the FASFA thing, but check out company websites for scholarships, there are tons and tons of scholarships out there and so many that people are not aware of.

 

[Doctrine1st]

Well, judging by my post and his disagreeance, it seems he feels prejudice in the workplace is ramapant. I disagree, or rather, I want him to provide proof instead of giving me a 'smart' response.

Never meant to be a smart..... and never used the word 'rampant' however, yes workplace discrimination still does exist, as well in other sectors of society. If discrimination means this:

Main Entry: dis·crim·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: dis-"kri-m&-'nA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 a : the act of discriminating b : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing
3 a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial

I have on MANY occasions experienced this, and witnessed on other occasions the same for others. What kind of 'facts' are you looking for?

just on the fly this is from the Federal EEOC:

http://www.eeoc.gov/origin/lit_examples.html

How about this sociology piece:

"WASHINGTON, DC—In recent years, political and legal debates have focused on whether reverse discrimination favoring African Americans is justified. What the debates neglect to address is the fact that employment discrimination against African Americans, though illegal, is "alive and well" in America, according to University of Illinois-Chicago researcher Cedric Herring, Ph.D.


Current patterns of discrimination in the workplace—as well as what can be done to amend such practices—are explored by Herring, a sociology professor, in the summer 2002 edition of Contexts magazine, the newest journal of the American Sociological Association (ASA). "Racial discrimination in employment is still widespread; it has just gone underground and become more sophisticated," says Herring, in his article, titled "Is Job Discrimination Dead?" The Washington, DC, Fair Employment Practices Commission found blacks face discrimination in one out of every five job interviews. Today employers use different phases of the hiring process to discriminate against minorities (e.g., recruiting from primarily white schools instead of through job training programs) and offer higher status jobs and pay to white employees. Reports of job discrimination against African Americans are correlated with darker complexion, higher education, immigrant status, and young age."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-06/asa-ijd061802.php

How about this:

http://www.workplacefairness.org/courtcases.php

I do remember the FBI case. The Texaco case. The Denny's case.....

I'm sure on a database like ProQuest which I don't have access to at home, there are a myriad of factual examples to indicate indeed it still does exist.

Tell me jameseb, surely you don't believe racial discrimination went the way of the doo-doo bird do you?

 

[jameseb]

Never meant to be a smart.....

Are you sure? Perhaps you should look again at your post where you mock my reply to Roc.

Tell me jameseb, surely you don't believe racial discrimination went the way of the doo-doo bird do you?

For the most part, yes, I do believe that... and I'm sure it isn't hard to Google up sites claiming that its still rampant in this country.

 

[praying]

For the most part, yes, I do believe that... and I'm sure it isn't hard to Google up sites claiming that its still rampant in this country.

Rampant no, exists, yes.