Adventist interpretation of the remnant church(an interesting thought I had on this).

[Joe67]

Wow! Now that's quite an assumption to make. The free gift of justification given by God is my source of hope.

Justification credits righteousness. Grace gives salvation from sin. Now abides faith, hope and love. Hope makes not ashamed. We are saved by hope.

Really? Are we called to evaluate the justification of other men?

The evaluation was of your doctrine, not you personally.

I am sad that this was your experience and grateful that--through the blood and grace of Jesus Christ--it is not my own.

Justified through His blood. Saved by His life.

Someone will need to show me the basis for believing this statement to be truth.

The basis for believing is the voice of the Lord.

You have a very odd view of election. Do you also hold to double predestination? Or to universalism?

Is there a view of election that is not very odd? What Scriptures testify to double predestination and also universalism?

So do you believe the Bible is authoritative? All of it? Parts of it? What is your position on this subject?

The Bible is the instrument by which God speaks to us of Jesus Christ.

Please explain the basis upon which we should conclude that "the motion of sin through the works of the law" is a method of serving God.

It is the way of the covenant given at Mt. Sinai.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The basis for believing is the voice of the Lord.

It is the way of the covenant given at Mt. Sinai.

You have made many claims (not only in this post but throughout our dialogue), but I don't see any real basis for any of them. Why should I reach the same conclusions that you have reached?

The evaluation was of your doctrine, not you personally.

The next time that you are considering writing a statement such as the following, note that it is indeed personal and is not merely limited to a discussion of doctrine:

"From your response it comes to me that election is a doctrine to you and not a personal experience."
​

BFA

 

[Joe67]

You have made many claims (not only in this post but throughout our dialogue), but I don't see any real basis for any of them. Why should I reach the same conclusions that you have reached?

I have not reached conclusions.

The next time that you are considering writing a statement such as the following, note that it is indeed personal and is not merely limited to a discussion of doctrine:

"From your response it comes to me that election is a doctrine to you and not a personal experience."
​

BFA

A review of the quotes on this matter.

Joe: post # 15
Is election part of your BfA, personally, as symbolized in God choosing Jacob over Esau to continue the priesthood?

This is pertinent to the issue of this thread and even your last post.

BFA: post #16
Are you asking whether God has elected men from the foundation of the world?

Joe: post #19
From your response it comes to me that election is a doctrine to you and not a personal experience.

I do not condemn you for this.

BFA: post#20
Wow! Now that's quite an assumption to make. The free gift of justification given by God is my source of hope.
Really? Are we called to evaluate the justification of other men?

Joe: post #21
The evaluation was of your doctrine, not you personally.

Election as a doctrine concerning the history of a group of people and/or humanity as a whole is distinct from the doctrine of personal election through the foreknowledge of God the Father.

For thirty years I taught justification through the righteousness of Christ and rejoiced in the free forgiveness of sin through the blood of Jesus and the grace of God without the works of the law. I had no thought that God the Father had foreknown me in Christ Jesus before the world began and had elected me a member of the body of Christ. I was ignorant of the truth that my unformed substance was known of Him, and that my days were numbered before any of them came to be. Yet I had peace with God in Christ Jesus through justification without a personal knowledge of election. Tribulation seemed like works and unnecessary if I had faith.

I did not hear from your testimony that you knew of your personal election. I hope you do know of your personal election. God did not communicate to Abraham and Isaac through the mode of election. Abraham was called. Isaac was a miracle son of promise. Jacob was elected for the continuation of the priesthood.

First we are called. God gives us miracles. God chooses for the priesthood. Many are called/justified. Few are chosen. The remnant are chosen to serve on the earth as a nation of priests/ministers of the reconciliation, without walls.

Faith is the instrument of justification.
Hope is the instrument of election.

Faith x Hope = Maturity/Parental love/Remnant
With the hope of a parent we are not ashamed because the love in the foreknowledge and election of God the Father is shed abroad in our hearts be the holy Spirit which is given unto us.

Joe

 

[4Eternity]

Doctrines of men can be so widely developed they become useless religion.
I don't believe that walking in an "unknown error" automatically qualifies us as worshiping in vain.If that were true we would all be in trouble.
None of us has yet to receive all of God's truth. The Bible tells me that the path of the righteous will grow brighter and brighter until the coming of Jesus.
"But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more until the perfect day."Proverbs 4:18.
"The entrance of thy words giveth light: it giveth understanding unto the simple."
Psalms 119:130.

God is merciful and looks at the intent of our hearts.
"For the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart." 1 Samuel 16:7.

The name of the church we attend is not the basis for salvation.
I believe the Bible teaches that many sincere seekers of God have received the gift of eternal life, but are still walking in error. Based on Revelation 18:4, where the voice from heaven calls God's people out of spiritual Babylon, I believe God has His people in every denomination today. Still, it's critical to heed the call to come out of error.

We must study the Bible for ourselves and see if what we've been taught is truly the command of God.

The best advice my father ever gave me was,
" Don't accept what you hear from the pulpit just because a preacher says it's true. Get into the Bible and check it out for yourself."

 

[AndrewK788]

Doctrines of men can be so widely developed they become useless religion.
I don't believe that walking in an "unknown error" automatically qualifies us as worshiping in vain.If that were true we would all be in trouble.
None of us has yet to receive all of God's truth. The Bible tells me that the path of the righteous will grow brighter and brighter until the coming of Jesus.
"But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more until the perfect day."Proverbs 4:18.
"The entrance of thy words giveth light: it giveth understanding unto the simple."
Psalms 119:130.

God is merciful and looks at the intent of our hearts.
"For the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart." 1 Samuel 16:7.

The name of the church we attend is not the basis for salvation.
I believe the Bible teaches that many sincere seekers of God have received the gift of eternal life, but are still walking in error. Based on Revelation 18:4, where the voice from heaven calls God's people out of spiritual Babylon, I believe God has His people in every denomination today. Still, it's critical to heed the call to come out of error.

We must study the Bible for ourselves and see if what we've been taught is truly the command of God.

The best advice my father ever gave me was,
" Don't accept what you hear from the pulpit just because a preacher says it's true. Get into the Bible and check it out for yourself."

All of what you said is very true.

 

[Joe67]

The perfect day is when the "day dawns and the day star arises in your heart."

The law and the prophets must do their schoolmaster work until that which is perfect is come.

WE know in part and we prophesy in part, but when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part is done away.

Through the faith of the operation of God, time is no longer.

Joe