Adventist interpretation of the remnant church(an interesting thought I had on this).

[Mankin]

SDAs believe that their church will be the remnant church once the Pope and other christian powers take command. However, won't this put Adventists and atheists in the same boat? Adventists will be the remnant church and atheists will probably not join the "antichrist." This theology essentialy puts Adventists and atheists into similar situation(both have freedoms taken away from them).

Just a thought I had.

 

[StormyOne]

that view suggests that there are only christians, adventists, and atheists.... Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jews (just to name a few), are all world religions which are ignored in the scenario you've described...

 

[Joe67]

The end will be like the beginning.

The elder brother will be angry with the younger and will shed his blood.

The younger will be set free from the body of death, and brought into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

It is for all nations, kindreds, tongues and peoples.

Joe

 

[sentipente]

The end will be like the beginning.

The elder brother will be angry with the younger and will shed his blood.

The younger will be set free from the body of death, and brought into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

It is for all nations, kindreds, tongues and peoples.

Joe

Would you like to put some money down on that prophecy?

 

[JonMiller]

I am not at all sure what Joe is saying there, so I am not sure why you would want to put money on it Sentipente (it seems to me as if he could be saying all sorts of different things).

Adventist remnant theology is something I take exception to. It is silly at best, and we should leave it behind.

JM

 

[Avonia]

Adventist remnant theology is something I take exception to. It is silly at best, and we should leave it behind.

JM

Now that IS a good one-liner!

 

[JonMiller]

I see some adventists as being like Jonah, and will pout when God saves more than they think He should.

JM

 

[Joe67]

To Sentipente:

You have cut to the root of the tree.

To Jon:

StormyOne expressed a need to include all religions in the reaping of the crop.

Avonia:

A single edged sword cannot cut both directions.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

that view suggests that there are only christians, adventists, and atheists.... Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jews (just to name a few), are all world religions which are ignored in the scenario you've described...

And these same groups are generally ignored in the traditional SDA perspective on eschatology. In fact, in order for the SDA perspective to work, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Jews must join with the Roman Catholic Church in its quest to persecute sabbatarians. One might ask whether the "signs of the times" lead us to conclude that this is the direction in which our world is heading.

BFA

 

[StormyOne]

And these same groups are generally ignored in the traditional SDA perspective on eschatology. In fact, in order for the SDA perspective to work, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Jews must join with the Roman Catholic Church in its quest to persecute sabbatarians. One might ask whether the "signs of the times" lead us to conclude that this is the direction in which our world is heading.

BFA

agreed..... the traditional sda perspective on end time events is tenuous at best....

 

[Joe67]

Sabbatarians joined with "other groups" to persecute the Head of the body.

What has been will be. There is nothing new under the sun.

Joe

 

[Mankin]

It also assumes that Adventists and atheists will be the remnant. The problem with Adventist eschatology is that it acts like Christianity is the only factor involved in it. Also, it's highly unlikely Muslims will join a church that has been their enemy for centuries just to persecute Adventists.

 

[Joe67]

It also assumes that Adventists and atheists will be the remnant. The problem with Adventist eschatology is that it acts like Christianity is the only factor involved in it. Also, it's highly unlikely Muslims will join a church that has been their enemy for centuries just to persecute Adventists.

The coalitions that will form will be surprising. Remember Herod and Pilate.

Remember Judas and the leaders with whom he made a contract.

Money and power are stronger than religious dogma.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The coalitions that will form will be surprising. Remember Herod and Pilate.

Remember Judas and the leaders with whom he made a contract.

Money and power are stronger than religious dogma.

Joe

Where does the money and power come from? SDAs are largely unknown. One might conclude that muslims have much bigger enemies.

BFA

 

[Joe67]

Where does the money and power come from? SDAs are largely unknown. One might conclude that muslims have much bigger enemies.

BFA

Is election part of your BfA, personally, as symbolized in God choosing Jacob over Esau to continue the priesthood?

This is pertinent to the issue of this thread and even your last post.

I was a believer for over thirty years in JbF through the Abraham and Isaac symbolisms, before God opened my eyes to the Jacob symbolism.

The 4 quarters of the earth are now assembling against that city that God loves, which has no walls, the camp of the saints. Those assembled against them are revealed as the "sand of the sea". Whose offspring are symbollicaly expressed as the "sand of the sea"?

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Is election part of your BfA, personally, as symbolized in God choosing Jacob over Esau to continue the priesthood?

Are you asking whether God has elected men from the foundation of the world?

This is pertinent to the issue of this thread and even your last post.

In what way is it relevant?

I was a believer for over thirty years in JbF through the Abraham and Isaac symbolisms, before God opened my eyes to the Jacob symbolism.

What is JbF?

The 4 quarters of the earth are now assembling against that city that God loves, which has no walls, the camp of the saints. Those assembled against them are revealed as the "sand of the sea". Whose offspring are symbollicaly expressed as the "sand of the sea"?

Can you help me understand how this relates to the claim made by the SDA denomination that powers will join forces to preclude SDAs from the free exercise of their beliefs? For example, how does this relate to the claim made by the SDA denomination that we are moving toward national sunday laws?

BFA

 

[AzA]

JbF = Justification by Faith

 

[moicherie]

I suspect some Adventists will be upset with God for changing the ending of the Book.

 

[Joe67]

Bfa,

From your response it comes to me that election is a doctrine to you and not a personal experience.
I do not condemn you for this. I confessed that my own experience in Christ Jesus was without this component of experience for more than 30 years, while teaching and witnessing to justification by faith, both as forgiveness in the example of David and also as righteousness credited as revealed in the Abrahamic example of God's imputation through speech.

The relation of election to the post previous, as mentioned, involves God's
purpose in calling anyone to a systematic works-based worship that requires a systematic collection of wealth. Judas was ordained to the deed that betrayed his Master. Those ordained to this role are given the work that Pilate and Herod and Caiaphas were given. These three men all worshipped through a works religion wherein prosperity was its constant driving energy. Each had variant dogmas concerning God. They had been enemies but in an unplanned moment, against their will, they united in the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus.

Two symbolisms:First, from the 4 quarters of the earth an army compassed the camp of the saints, the saints are a people dwelling safely without walls, bars and gates (Ezekiel 38:11; Rev 20:8,9). What does this symbolize in the things of Christ Jesus? Second, the army is described as the "sand of the sea". What does this symbolize in the things of Christ Jesus? Crudens concordance. Here a little and there a little.

These symbols represent the same truths of Christ as found in the book to the Galations. In the Galatians two opposing ways of serving God are presented. One is at rest. The other is in the motion of sin through the works of the law. Those who worship through the flesh always persecute those who worship through the Spirit.

So, who is going to persecute who when Gog of Magog gathers his troops against the CAMP of the saints, without walls.

Moicherie has the picture of the end reversal, just as with Jesus. The first shall be last and the last shall be first. Isaiah 24.

AzA, thank you for interpreting.

Joe

 

[Byfaithalone1]

From your response it comes to me that election is a doctrine to you and not a personal experience.

Wow! Now that's quite an assumption to make. The free gift of justification given by God is my source of hope.

I do not condemn you for this.

Really? Are we called to evaluate the justification of other men?

I confessed that my own experience in Christ Jesus was without this component of experience for more than 30 years, while teaching and witnessing to justification by faith

I am sad that this was your experience and grateful that--through the blood and grace of Jesus Christ--it is not my own.

Judas was ordained to the deed that betrayed his Master.

Someone will need to show me the basis for believing this statement to be truth.

Those ordained to this role are given the work that Pilate and Herod and Caiaphas were given. These three men all worshipped through a works religion wherein prosperity was its constant driving energy. Each had variant dogmas concerning God. They had been enemies but in an unplanned moment, against their will, they united in the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus.

You have a very odd view of election. Do you also hold to double predestination? Or to universalism?

Two symbolisms:First, from the 4 quarters of the earth an army compassed the camp of the saints, the saints are a people dwelling safely without walls, bars and gates (Ezekiel 38:11; Rev 20:8,9). What does this symbolize in the things of Christ Jesus? Second, the army is described as the "sand of the sea". What does this symbolize in the things of Christ Jesus? Crudens concordance. Here a little and there a little.

So do you believe the Bible is authoritative? All of it? Parts of it? What is your position on this subject?

The other is in the motion of sin through the works of the law.

Please explain the basis upon which we should conclude that "the motion of sin through the works of the law" is a method of serving God.

BFA