Adventist Hermeneutics

[BobRyan]

b.

- Why do you worship on a Saturday?

Ok - so the reason for Saturday - is that we all know Jesus was raised on week-day-1 according to the Bible - and that is Sunday. Everyone pretty much agrees on that point.

That alone would have told us that "the 7th day" is Saturday and not week-day-1.

A lot of us [ecclesia] don't. .

Well they are pretty hard to find -- when it comes to Christians that do not think the first day of the week is Sunday -- you have give them that.

so far both Christians and Jews agree on this one detail.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well they are pretty hard to find -- when it comes to Christians that do not think the first day of the week is Sunday -- you have give them that.

Well, that's not what's referred to.

A lot of Jews know the MESSIAH was not raised from the grave on 1st day.
Gentiles have a lot harder time finding out.

 

[BobRyan]

I see strong biblical support for annihilationism, but I haven't taken an official stance on eternal torment or conditional immortality.

In Ezek 28 - God says this of the devil - Lucifer ... Satan.

“You had the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 “You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14 “You were the anointed covering cherub ,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 “You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
16 “By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.
I cast you to the ground;
I put you before kings,
That they may see you.
18 “By the multitude of your iniquities,
In the unrighteousness of your trade
You profaned your sanctuaries.
Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you;
It has consumed you,
And I have turned you to ashes on the earth
In the eyes of all who see you.
19 “All who know you among the peoples
Are appalled at you;
You have become terrified
And you will cease to be forever.”’”

At some point - even the devil will "cease to be forever"
At some point even the devil is "turned to ashes".

Matt 10:28
28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Ezek 18;4
The soul who sins will die.

As for the torment of the wicked in the Rev 20 second death - lake of fire - fire and brimstone death... Christ and the Angels are right there for all of it.

Rev 14
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

This is a big part of the 3rd Angel's message.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

National Isreal will be saved, but there may not be very many of them. We had discussed that on another thread, when I said there is no "group salvation". Question remains - just how big will the group be once God washes out the filth, as he called it in Isaiah 3. I think they end up with a "remnant" just like us. I think it ends up being all the same folks. I'm not sure exactly what replacement theology is, but this I will say, with all love, respect and pleading: Rome is still what all the fuss will be about and the SDA take on prophecy is spot on. I posted in the Traditional Adv. side about the RCC and the Lutheran World folks having a big shin-dig for unity on Halloween of this month and no one has said a word. Not even the Adventists! There will be denominations all over the world praying for unity with Rome at the same time. What's up with that? What's up with no one saying a single thing about it? Is everyone at home watching Pioneer Memorial re-runs? Didn't mean to hi-jack, but it's way relevant and there seems to be a spirit of slumber.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

National Isreal will be saved, but there may not be very many of them. We had discussed that on another thread, when I said there is no "group salvation". Question remains - just how big will the group be once God washes out the filth, as he called it in Isaiah 3. I think they end up with a "remnant" just like us. I think it ends up being all the same folks. I'm not sure exactly what replacement theology is, but this I will say, with all love, respect and pleading: Rome is still what all the fuss will be about and the SDA take on prophecy is spot on. I posted in the Traditional Adv. side about the RCC and the Lutheran World folks having a big shin-dig for unity on Halloween of this month and no one has said a word. Not even the Adventists! There will be denominations all over the world praying for unity with Rome at the same time. What's up with that? What's up with no one saying a single thing about it? Is everyone at home watching Pioneer Memorial re-runs? Didn't mean to hi-jack, but it's way relevant and there seems to be a spirit of slumber.

To be honest, I would have commented on it as I have been aware of this coming event in the timeline but I was banned for a while. Don't get discouraged brother... no answer doesn't mean you're alone.

 

[Dave-W]

National Isreal will be saved, but there may not be very many of them. We had discussed that on another thread, when I said there is no "group salvation". Question remains - just how big will the group be once God washes out the filth, as he called it in Isaiah 3. I think they end up with a "remnant" just like us.

Jer 31.31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Zech 12.9 And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11 In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo.

Ezekiel 20:40 For on My holy mountain, on the high mountain of Israel,” declares the Lord God, “there the whole house of Israel, all of them, will serve Me in the land; there I will accept them and there I will seek your contributions and the choicest of your gifts, with all your holy things.

Rom 11.25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

After the filth is washed away. I'm leaning towards Har-Meggido being the spiritual battle after the 1000 years as well. When Jerusalem is totally encompassed by the enemies of God and His followers. Since I learned to cut n paste, I still need to go back and redo the reasons that the remnant too being part of Isreal. To God, there is no Jew or Greek. Step kids get to eat at the table too. Now, that being said, I have no doubt ,in the last days, there will be a MASSIVE spiritual awakening in actual Isreal because they are His chosen people and it may also be prompted by them seeing what's really going on as this spirit of anti-christ consumes the world to a point that no one of any true faith in God can ignore. The persecution of Christians by Christians, the Sunday law, all that mess. God will peel off the blinders, BUT it'll happen to many nations(races).Things are gonna be different, but that which was, will be again, or something along those lines, in Ecc. It could be what God is trying to point me to in my wife's words. Lots of old way stuff in them. Can't say for sure yet, but I'm seeing people starting to lean toward the old ways more in prophetic teachers like Henriques and many others. It's all working together, building up to God revealing exactly what He wants us to be for our time and it will continue to progress until the show is over. We can see how all these truths and revelations have progressed since the first reformers. Why God didn't do it all at once could go back to Jesus quote of- I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. It wasn't the next couple of days' stuff He shared. It's ALL of it through the ages IMO. Peace be with you.

 

[BobRyan]

National Isreal will be saved, but there may not be very many of them. .

In the Bible - under the Gospel - salvation is always individual - no one is saved as a nation.

If all the Australians decided to be accept Christ and be saved - fine then all of Australia is saved - but even then it had to be individually.

 

[BobRyan]

Jer 31.31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Zech 12.9 And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn. 11 In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo.

Ezekiel 20:40 For on My holy mountain, on the high mountain of Israel,” declares the Lord God, “there the whole house of Israel, all of them, will serve Me in the land; there I will accept them and there I will seek your contributions and the choicest of your gifts, with all your holy things.

Rom 11.25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “This is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”

The texts you are quoting are about spiritual Israel "sons of the promise" Romans 9

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

I know. I'm pestering somebody when I say that usually. He says all Isreal. I say. AFTER the fire, what's left is all Isreal. He says those in Jerusalem will be Holy. I say after the cleansing anyone left anywhere will be. There is no group anything except accountability and none meet that either. Hows Bob today? I get rode hard about spiritual Isreal too. Matter fact, I've still gotta repost how and why the remnant is spiritual Isreal. I keep forgetting when I have time, and remembering when I don't. That seems to be coming on more with age. Peace be with you .

 

[BobRyan]

ok so 'Israel' as spiritual Israel - even in Romans 11 - because salvation is never "by nations" in the gospel - it is always "individual by individual"

we are all grafted in as Israel - we have texts for that -

Romans 2
26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Romans 9
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

1 Cor 7
17 Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this manner let him walk. And so I direct in all the churches. 18 Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God


Romans 11
11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

 

[Dave-W]

The texts you are quoting are about spiritual Israel "sons of the promise" Romans 9

There is no such animal as a "spiritual Israel." That was an invention of the Catholic and Orthodox churches. It is called replacement theology and is a lie from hell.

http://app.kehilanews.com/articles/582-the-tragic-error-of-replacement-theology

 

[overcomer]

There is no such animal as a "spiritual Israel." That was an invention of the Catholic and Orthodox churches. It is called replacement theology and is a lie from hell.

http://app.kehilanews.com/articles/582-the-tragic-error-of-replacement-theology

If Babylon today is spiritual, then Israel is also spiritual.

Israel (a prince who has power with God and men) since the very beginning has been a type of Jesus and his people.

In fact the 'Hebrew Roots movement' was an invention of the Jesuits.

 

[BobRyan]

There is no such animal as a "spiritual Israel." That was an invention of the Catholic and Orthodox churches.

I don't think the Catholic church wrote the texts in this post

Today at 7:43 AM #31

 

[overcomer]

This is how James greeted the New Testament church.

James1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

 

[Dave-W]

This is how James greeted the New Testament church.

James1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

That was not how the "earlier church" (200 ad - 400 ad) saw it. James, the epistles of Peter and John, Hebrews, and Jude were not addressed to the gentile church, but to the Jewish believers. Indeed, texts found from the Sect of the Nazoreans place those letters between Acts and Romans.

 

[BobRyan]

That was not how the "earlier church" (200 ad - 400 ad) saw it. James, the epistles of Peter and John, Hebrews, and Jude were not addressed to the gentile church, but to the Jewish believers. Indeed, texts found from the Sect of the Nazoreans place those letters between Acts and Romans.

Well then Romans applies this same term to Gentiles --

ok so 'Israel' as spiritual Israel - even in Romans 11 - because salvation is never "by nations" in the gospel - it is always "individual by individual"

we are all grafted in as Israel - we have texts for that -

Romans 2
26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Romans 9
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

1 Cor 7
17 Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this manner let him walk. And so I direct in all the churches. 18 Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God


Romans 11
11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Well then Romans applies this same term to Gentiles --

ok so 'Israel' as spiritual Israel - even in Romans 11 - because salvation is never "by nations" in the gospel - it is always "individual by individual"

we are all grafted in as Israel - we have texts for that -

Romans 2
26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Romans 9
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

1 Cor 7
17 Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this manner let him walk. And so I direct in all the churches. 18 Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God


Romans 11
11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

I think the point made about Babylon being spiritually referred to in end time events was sufficient to show there would have to be a spiritual Israel. Just as there is a spiritual Egypt and Sodom and king of the north and king of the south in the last days.

 

[masmpg]

Hello!

I have had a brief experience with 7th Day Adventists and they are really the only denomination that I am personally familiar with aside from the Baptists.

I attended a private school run by Adventists and at the time, I saw nothing wrong with what they believed. I found it to make sense.

I am currently in between denominations atm, looking into the SDA as well as the Mennonites and the Assemblies of God. Adventism has a special place in my heart, and I am considering conversion and can accept the majority of the Adventist doctrines, but I do have a few reservations.

- Why do you worship on a Saturday?

I get that it is the Holy Day for Jews and was the day God rested, but the NT seems to clearly teach that the early church met at the "first day of the week" and I have read somewhere that the Jewish day of worship was not the same day as the Sabbath. You could argue that worshiping is work and the preacher is certainly working on the Sabbath.

- What do you believe about 1844 being the start of the investigative judgment? If it did start on that year, is there Scriptural support?

- What are some good (preferably objective) sources on SDA hermeneutics and doctrine? I like a lot of what they teach, but I'm not fully convinced.

-What do you think of William Miller?

About the 1844 timeline of Daniel:8:14: "And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." This timeline was carefully calculated using biblical references to starting times and historical references through Daniel 8 & 9. In Chapter 9 Daniel fasted and prayed that the Lord would reveal the vision of the 2300 days. While he was praying Gabriel came to him to give him understanding of that vision, verse 9:21. The beginning of this time line was when the command went for to restore and rebuild Jerusalem verse 9:25. Historians are not all in agreement on the exact date because there were three commands to restore Jerusalem. The one that really mattered was given by Artaxerxes in 457 BC. This was the command that gave Israel the permission to completely restore, and the provisions were also given by the king to complete the task.
If we take 457 from 2300 we come to 1843, but what the Millerites believed about Jesus coming then was 1 year off because there was no 0 between BC and AD.

I would like to share here that the midnight cry was a message given by God for His people all over the world. William Miller was not the only one preaching the soon coming of Jesus. People all over europe were preaching the same message. The timing was correct, but the event was wrong. The SDA denomination, although not even thought of in the 1840s, have admitted to the mistake and take no pains to keep it hidden, in fact it is there for all to see. The Millerites made a mistake and the SDA church admitted it and realized that it was all part of God's will to weed out those who were not serious about being part of the remnant church.

In the midst of this very prophecy is the 70 weeks which ended when Stephen was stoned and the word of God was given to the gentiles just like Gabriel told Daniel in Daniel:9:24: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." God's people did not do this and the stoning of Stephen, around 34 AD was proof that they sealed their fate and did not accept Jesus and "bring in everlasting righteousness." 34 AD was the end of the 70 weeks prophecy which were determined upon Israel.

As for William Miller, he was a bible student. I read somewhere that when he studied he would read every verse and pray over it to be certain the Holy Spirit was revealing it to him. He would not move on to the next verse until he was certain of the verse prior. Some verses took a long time to understand. We should all study this way according to John 14:26 & 16:13. God revealed a lot to William Miller at the proper time. The 19th century saw great spiritual awakenings, on both sides. Not only was the SDA denomination started but so was modern spiritualism, which the bible refers to as soothsaying, witchcraft, etc. The Jehovah Witness organization was started, along with the mormons. The spirits were having quite a century. But whenever God moves to create a church, movement or anything satan is right there with all his counterfeits.

Here is the best speaker I know on the subject of investigative judgment. John Grosboll is not very exciting until you really listen to him and the Holy Spirit speaks to your heart. I usually do not refer people to evangelists, but there are a few, about 4-5 that I will share links to their sermons. Far too many people follow the messenger instead of the message through the word of God.

 

[Dave-W]

because salvation is never "by nations" in the gospel - it is always "individual by individual"

Can you give me chapter and verse on that one?
That it is NEVER by group?