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Adventist and Dress

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I was reading the story of one mans fall from power when I saw a picture that reminded me of the verse with the words "dressed like a prostitute and with crafty intent". I greet at the door on Sabbath and see some Adventist coming in with spaggetti strap or slit dresses or showing more than a you would think on a cold winter day. Does it matter how we present ourselves in Gods house? Does how we dress show purpose? Is the way some Adventist dress, a way to catch attention 'with crafty intent'...?

Warning Against the Adulteress

1 My son, keep my words
and store up my commands within you.
2 Keep my commands and you will live;
guard my teachings as the apple of your eye.
3 Bind them on your fingers;
write them on the tablet of your heart.
4 Say to wisdom, "You are my sister,"
and call understanding your kinsman;
5 they will keep you from the adulteress,
from the wayward wife with her seductive words.
6 At the window of my house
I looked out through the lattice.
7 I saw among the simple,
I noticed among the young men,
a youth who lacked judgment.
8 He was going down the street near her corner,
walking along in the direction of her house
9 at twilight, as the day was fading,
as the dark of night set in.
10 Then out came a woman to meet him,
dressed like a prostitute and with crafty intent.
11 (She is loud and defiant,
her feet never stay at home;
12 now in the street, now in the squares,
at every corner she lurks.)
13 She took hold of him and kissed him
and with a brazen face she said:
14 "I have fellowship offerings [a] at home;
today I fulfilled my vows.
15 So I came out to meet you;
I looked for you and have found you!
16 I have covered my bed
with colored linens from Egypt.
17 I have perfumed my bed
with myrrh, aloes and cinnamon.
18 Come, let's drink deep of love till morning;
let's enjoy ourselves with love!
19 My husband is not at home;
he has gone on a long journey.
20 He took his purse filled with money
and will not be home till full moon."
21 With persuasive words she led him astray;
she seduced him with her smooth talk.
22 All at once he followed her
like an ox going to the slaughter,
like a deer [b] stepping into a noose [c]
23 till an arrow pierces his liver,
like a bird darting into a snare,
little knowing it will cost him his life.
24 Now then, my sons, listen to me;
pay attention to what I say.
25 Do not let your heart turn to her ways
or stray into her paths.
26 Many are the victims she has brought down;
her slain are a mighty throng. 27 Her house is a highway to the grave, [d]
leading down to the chambers of death.
 

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Why is it when Adventists focus on this topic its always about what women wear or don't wear do we have a hidden mysognist attitude or something?

Well what about men then, can they wear clothes for a purpose and "with crafty intent"......?
 
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Because women are not effect by "the lust of their eyes" as much as a man is. We in general, can see a man shirtless, and not think about the image again. Where as for a man the image is almost burned into their brain, and they keep recalling it over and over. They are wired different to women.
Now that doesn't mean that men are exempt from "modest dressing", and we should all be striving not to lay a stumbling block, in what ever form that may be, before a brother/sister. If covering up, and dressing modestly, by both sexes is what it takes, then what is the difficulty in that?
Just my thoughts.
 
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I think how we dress is really important and it does make a statement about a person.

Dressing in a modest way is hard at times, considering the styles of today. I really have a hard time not wearing jewelry. I love jewelry. I kind of struggle with that whole issue.
 
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Because women are not effect by "the lust of their eyes" as much as a man is. We in general, can see a man shirtless, and not think about the image again. Where as for a man the image is almost burned into their brain, and they keep recalling it over and over. They are wired different to women.
Now that doesn't mean that men are exempt from "modest dressing", and we should all be striving not to lay a stumbling block, in what ever form that may be, before a brother/sister. If covering up, and dressing modestly, by both sexes is what it takes, then what is the difficulty in that?
Just my thoughts.

I agree with this.

For the most part, "dressing up" for men in church involves putting on a suit and tie. There is nothing revealing or suggestive about that. For women, "dressing up" often involves wearing revealing clothes.

Combine this with what Tea said and you have why more emphasis is given on why women wear. Some women do not realize how they are tempting men to sin, or at the very least distracting them because of what they wear. For the average guy, seeing a girl wear something really revealing will preoccupy the mind at the expense of everything else for a very long time.
 
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Because women are not effect by "the lust of their eyes" as much as a man is. We in general, can see a man shirtless, and not think about the image again. Where as for a man the image is almost burned into their brain, and they keep recalling it over and over. They are wired different to women.
Now that doesn't mean that men are exempt from "modest dressing", and we should all be striving not to lay a stumbling block, in what ever form that may be, before a brother/sister. If covering up, and dressing modestly, by both sexes is what it takes, then what is the difficulty in that?
Just my thoughts.
Tea,

Excellent..
 
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Because women are not effect by "the lust of their eyes" as much as a man is. We in general, can see a man shirtless, and not think about the image again. Where as for a man the image is almost burned into their brain, and they keep recalling it over and over. They are wired different to women.
Now that doesn't mean that men are exempt from "modest dressing", and we should all be striving not to lay a stumbling block, in what ever form that may be, before a brother/sister. If covering up, and dressing modestly, by both sexes is what it takes, then what is the difficulty in that?
Just my thoughts.
That is what women are taught, but it is not necessarily true. Women do lust just as much as men, but we have been taught we need to control that part of ourselves and it is unbecoming of a women. When we find ourselves lusting we know that it is necessary to pray and ask the Lord for forgiviness and remove ourselves from that situation. Men are taught that women need to put some more clothes on so that they won't lust. Different mindset! Modesty is cultural, not an absolute. We forget what was deemed immodest at one time would be considered ultra-conservative just 50 years later. I mean, at one time seeing ankle was seen as revealing nakedness. I don't think anyone now would consider ankles a state of undress. I think dressing sexy is a no no, but lust often comes from what is inside a person. I had one deacon suggest that women stop wearing hair barretts because they were shiny and caught mens eyes and could cause them to lust. I was like, you need prayer!
 
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Why is it when Adventists focus on this topic its always about what women wear or don't wear do we have a hidden mysognist attitude or something?
That has always been my problem with the mindset of modesty. Men can be outside with just their shorts on, no shirt and its o.k. I'm sorry, that can and is stimulating for women. I do dress so that I am not too revealing, but men need to deal with the lust in their hearts. If someone is lustful or is lusting after me, I can cover myself head to toe and the will still be turned on by something about me. I remember hearing on the radio about a Muslim country outlawing white socks because they could be seen beneith the traditional dresses the women wore and causing them to lust. And I think everyone can agree that a Muslim woman is anything but immodest in her dress.
 
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The issue of lust places the blaming solely on the person who is lusted after due to their dress, that is totally unfair. Responsibility works on both sides and depends on circumstances. Yes a half naked man or woman walking down the street is drawing undue attention to themselves but then they are not in charge of my mind that domain belongs to me.
 
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The issue of lust places the blaming solely on the person who is lusted after due to their dress, that is totally unfair. Responsibility works on both sides and depends on circumstances. Yes a half naked man or woman walking down the street is drawing undue attention to themselves but then they are not in charge of my mind that domain belongs to me.

I agree with a lot of what you have said in this thread.

JM
 
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The issue of lust places the blaming solely on the person who is lusted after due to their dress, that is totally unfair. Responsibility works on both sides and depends on circumstances. Yes a half naked man or woman walking down the street is drawing undue attention to themselves but then they are not in charge of my mind that domain belongs to me.
I have to agree!
 
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A Subject; always directed towards women; But Hey, just a moment; what about men,
Ive got, like a lot of my mates a number of tattoos,
so WHO decides what is ok or not ?

Paul

You have to use some common sense, slit dresses showing it all, hairy chests, and obsence tattos just should not be seen at church, cover them up..........:o
 
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