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Do the orthodox churches accept or reject the TEN Commandments?
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Why are you arguing regarding the Sabbath and Orthodoxy. That has never changed. The 7th day has always been the Sabbath and continues to be so. In Orthodoxy, Sunday is not the Sabbath day and never was. I do not know what the RCC or Protestants adhere to.
Explicit mention, though in the negative, can be found in Tertullian's On Baptism, around 200 AD. Tertullian's argument against the practice of infant baptism assumes that the practice is widely practiced in the Church, and doesn't reject the meaning and efficacy of Baptism. On the contrary, Tertullian's argument against the baptism of infants hinges on the efficacy of Baptism; but what Tertullian argues is that because sins are cleaned in the waters of Baptism then to sin after baptism is to put your soul into serious jeopardy, thus to baptize an infant--he thinks--is to risk them having a lifetime to sin and therefore damn themselves to destruction.
None of which happened in the Orthodox lands. There was no inquisition in Russia, Greece, Roumelia, Syria, Egypt, Armenia, Ethiopia or India.
is the argument that "if anybody baptized an invent in the 3rd century - then everybody must have been doing it?"
The Orthodox churches continued to honor the Bible Sabbath long after the RCC was discarding it -- and the churches in Ethiopia are pretty clear on that point.
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from - *Free: “Honoring of the Sabbath in the Historic Orthodox Church” booklet – Orthodox Church of the Culdees, Home of the Priory of Salem, TCAWW, and Watchman News
While the official Orthodox doctrine remains that Saturday is the Sabbath and must be kept holy, most churches have drifted to put more emphasis on Sunday. The Saturday Sabbath does however remain mentioned as a requirement within the teachings in each branch of the Orthodox faith. Very few these days have emphasis on Saturday, for example the Armenians and Copts in Jerusalem, the Celtic and Gothian churches. These still keep Saturday in the Christian Orthodox way, the same way it has always been kept holy and above the other days of the week. The Apostles’ Didascalaia that is followed as canonical by several branches of the church today prescribes the keeping of Saturday above Sunday in fine detail.
This isn’t exclusive to the Eastern Orthodox Churches. Quoting numerous authorities, you will find at the heart of the Great Schism breakaway of the Western church, was this Sabbath point. Still today, the Orthodox texts of the Anglican and Episcopal Church retain a weekly recital of the Saturday Collects which confirm the teaching that we must abstain from work on Saturdays. This legacy was handed down from the British Orthodox Church. While the Book of Common Prayer leaves it up to the local bishops to decide which days to keep holy. This text and liturgy of the B.C.P. was kept within all the subsequent branches of the Church, even the most non-conformist and dissenter churches kept the Orthodox text of the B.C.P. from 1549 until the 1960’s in a far-reaching unity.
Certainly it is true that the Catholic and Orthodox churches believe in that "Communion with the Dead" idea - as if it were "a good thing" -- and the Adventist church does not.
Adventists believe in the 1Thess 4 existence of the soul in the state that Paul refers to as "sleep" in 1 Thess 4 and most other churches reject it. But that does not mean that most other denominations think "Communion with the Dead" is a good thing. In fact they think it is not good.
Catholic Catechism of Christian Religion
It was in behalf of the Sunday that popery first asserted its arrogant claims (see Appendix); and its first resort to the power of the state was to compel the observance of Sunday as “the Lord’s day.”
It was in behalf of the Sunday that popery first asserted its arrogant claims (see Appendix); and its first resort to the power of the state was to compel the observance of Sunday as “the Lord’s day.”
nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
Do the orthodox churches accept or reject the TEN Commandments?
This is a spurious bit of non-news put out by the so-called Celtic Orthodox Church which has never been a part of the Orthodox Communion of Churches.
Why are you arguing regarding the Sabbath and Orthodoxy. That has never changed. The 7th day has always been the Sabbath and continues to be so. In Orthodoxy, Sunday is not the Sabbath day and never was. I do not know what the RCC or Protestants adhere to.
Absolutely accept!
And how many time has SHE been wrong?
Here is just one:
Yet another inaccuracy is found in chapter 25 of The Great Controversy. Ellen White claims that the change of the Sabbath to Sunday was accomplished by the Pope with the "power of the state":
And the Bible never said anything about a woman making up things and desiring it to be treated with the same weight as the Bible.
And the Scripture says, "18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"
Rev 22:18-19
BobRyan said: ↑
It was in behalf of the Sunday that popery first asserted its arrogant claims (see Appendix); and its first resort to the power of the state was to compel the observance of Sunday as “the Lord’s day.”
Why, then, are there Churches of Apostolic origin that use Sunday as the main day of worship, but they have had NO contact with Rome? For instance, the St. Thomas Christians of India
And how many time has SHE been wrong?
Here is just one:
Yet another inaccuracy is found in chapter 25 of The Great Controversy. Ellen White claims that the change of the Sabbath to Sunday was accomplished by the Pope with the "power of the state":
"It was on behalf of Sunday that popery first asserted its arrogant claims; and its first resort to the power of the state was to compel the observance of Sunday as 'the Lord's Day.'" (page 447) She makes another similar statement later in the book: "Royal edicts, general councils, and church ordinances sustained by secular power were the steps by which the pagan festival [day of the Sun] attained its position of honor in the Christian world." (page 574) Before we read Dr. Bacchoicchi's assessment of these quotes, let me remind the reader that Dr. Bacchiocchi is still widely regarded as the SDA theologian who was the most knowledgeable person in the entire sect on church history pertaining to Sabbath-Sunday issues. There was simply no one in the church more qualified to assess Ellen White's statements than Dr. Bacchiocchi. Here is his assessment: "Both statements just cited are inaccurate, because the secular power of the state did not influence or compel Christians to adopt Sunday during the second and third centuries. At that time the Roman emperors were rather hostile toward Christianity. They were more interested to suppress Christianity than to support church leaders in their promotion of Sunday worship. The bishop of Rome could not have resorted to 'the power of the state to compel the observance of Sunday as the Lord's Day.' Eventually, beginning with the fourth century, some Roman emperors actively supported the agenda of the church, but this was long after the establishment of Sunday observance.
"In my dissertation FROM SABBATH TO SUNDAY I have shown that the Bishop of Rome did indeed pioneer the change in the day of worship, but he did it without the help of the Roman government. What precipitated the need to change the Sabbath to Sunday, was the anti-Jewish and anti-Sabbath legislation promulgated in 135 by the Emperor Hadrian.
"After suppressing the Second Jewish revolt, known as the Barkokoba revolt (132-135), which caused many casualties, the Emperor Hadrian decided to deal with the Jewish problem in a radical way by suppressing the Jewish religion. Hitler was determined to liquidate the Jews as a people and Hadrian was committed to suppress Judaism as a religion. To accomplish this objective Hadrian outlawed in 135 the Jewish religion in general and Sabbathkeeping in particular.
"It was at this critical moment that the Bishop of Rome took the initiative to change the Sabbath to Sunday in order to show to the Roman government the Christians' separation from the Jews and their identification with the cycles of the Roman society. But, at this time the Bishop of Rome could not call upon 'the power of the state to compel the observance of Sunday as the Lord's Day,' because in the eyes of the Romans Christianity was still a suspect religion to be suppressed, rather than to be supported."
The Roman Catholic Church did NOT change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. This was done before Constantine had legalized the religion. While being a Christian--just one Church back then--was still punishable by death, the idea of the Lord's Day--Sunday--had replaced the Saturday Sabbath because Sunday is when Christ rose from the dead.
Back in those times, there was no Popery going on, and the Church did not have any means of using the power of the state, because it was still an illicit, illegal, religion, punishable by death.
There is no such book. Rather, try the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Here is CCC958 958: Communion with the dead. "In full consciousness of this communion of the whole Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, the Church in its pilgrim members, from the very earliest days of the Christian religion, has honored with great respect the memory of the dead; and 'because it is a holy and a wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins' she offers her suffrages for them.
Which means that unlike the Adventist Church, Both Catholic AND Orthodox believe that once a person's body dies, his soul will still be alive, and that we are still able to have some influence (neither CCC nor Orthodox say how much) on the final outcome of the soul's journey after death.
We've been around a lot longer than any of the others. We are larger, more mature,
and, because we have the guidance of the Holy Spirit, we know a lot more than some crazed lady in the 1800's
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