Advent Talk - A waste of your time

[freeindeed2]

My 7 year old daughter likes to make up games and make up the rules as she's making up the game. I play along for a while until either she gets too confused (or me!) or the rules start contradicting other rules. She gives up after realizing that she 'ruled' herself into a corner. About that time she suddenly has a new game that she has already thought through...and the cycle repeats itself. One thing I appreciate about her is that we can always discuss the rules even though I'm not allowed to change them. Often she realizes the need to play a game where the rules are already well established and there is no need to add new rules as we play. She's quite good too! Always a pleasure!

Fi2

 

[sentipente]

Daryl, if RND and others have a legitimate grip about how affairs are being conducted at AT, then the Christian thing to do would to be give them due process; not shut-downs and shut-offs. Talk opening and honestly about this problem and you will gain far more respect of fellow posters.

You don't seem to be of the same mindset when other Adventists have legitimate concerns about what their church presents. Why the double standard or are you of the same mindset of which you are accusing Daryl?

 

[honorthesabbath]

What business is it of yours what goes on in this forum senti? You just here to cause trouble again?

 

[noahswife]

Since Daryl is busy these days making up new rules of engagement for Adventtalk, I would suggest he consider the following:

1) No one, not even a moderator, is allowed to post under another ID; and

2) Since open and public discussion of administrative action is not allowed, I, as administrator, or my moderator designee will be responsible and respond to your PMs within 48 hours and address ALL your questions, rather than making you wait days or weeks wondering if there is going to be any response.

I can think of several others but these would be a good start.

Daryl in the interest of fairness I am curious if you have even offered a moderating position to anyone that supports 3abn and Dan Shelton or if you have only recruited from the group that in the past has shown they are clearly in the Pickle/Joy camp?

 

[catlover]

RND, first of all, welcome back!

Second of all, don't EVER leave for two months without telling me again.

Third....I am going to PM you the link to a great site I've been hanging out at. It's awesome and has been a true blessing to me!

Lastly, I missed you.

Can you PM me that sight as well TrustandObey?

 

[TrustAndObey]

Can you PM me that sight as well TrustandObey?

You got it! You'll LOVE it!

 

[TrustAndObey]

Catlover, I gotta know...is that a cat in your avatar? It looks like a rabbit?

 

[catlover]

Catlover, I gotta know...is that a cat in your avatar? It looks like a rabbit?

Yes it's a bunny!! It's a "lionhead"...

 

[TrustAndObey]

Yes it's a bunny!! It's a "lionhead"...

I was starting to wonder if there's a type of cat that looks like a bunny! HA!

You should change your name to "CritterLover".

 

[Rosie55]

I have the same concerns Noahswife. Seems in order to be fair, AT should have as many moderators on the 3ABN side as on the Joy/Pickle side. Otherwise, you have many unfair "bans" and biased moderating right?

Since Daryl is busy these days making up new rules of engagement for Adventtalk, I would suggest he consider the following:

1) No one, not even a moderator, is allowed to post under another ID; and

2) Since open and public discussion of administrative action is not allowed, I, as administrator, or my moderator designee will be responsible and respond to your PMs within 48 hours and address ALL your questions, rather than making you wait days or weeks wondering if there is going to be any response.

I can think of several others but these would be a good start.

Daryl in the interest of fairness I am curious if you have even offered a moderating position to anyone that supports 3abn and Dan Shelton or if you have only recruited from the group that in the past has shown they are clearly in the Pickle/Joy camp?

 

[Rosie55]

Since I couldn't seem to edit my post, I will write a new one--Noahswife, are you saying that some on AdventTalk use multiple ID's possibly? I completely agree with you, there should be only ONE ID per person who post on Advent Talk.

 

[noahswife]

Since I couldn't seem to edit my post, I will write a new one--Noahswife, are you saying that some on AdventTalk use multiple ID's possibly? I completely agree with you, there should be only ONE ID per person who post on Advent Talk.

I think only Daryl knows the answer.

 

[Hairy Potter]

You know what? I'm really sick and tired of this superior attitude that admins and mods acquire when they become the same. Do you all really think you are above reproach and error? This is a message board for heavens sake--not the Supreme Court! And even they have stolen the people's right to redress thru the adoption of the illegal, immoral and unConstitutional 'protection' of 'immunity! Have you noticed how roaches prefer the darkness? Light brings truth! This is why light is aquainted with truth, while deceit is practiced under cover, in the darkness.

Daryl, if RND and others have a legitimate grip about how affairs are being conducted at AT, then the Christian thing to do would to be give them due process; not shut-downs and shut-offs. Talk opening and honestly about this problem and you will gain far more respect of fellow posters.

Interesting discussion. I have been watching this develop for a few months.

Daryl is in a bit of a quandary. AdventTalk was created to give an unrestricted voice to those after Danny Shelton’s scalp and nothing else. He is unfortunately beholden to 5-6 individuals heavily invested in that ongoing mess. They need dissenters to post routinely so they have something to talk about and someone to attack. On the other hand, they freely exercise the delete function for posts or threads that aren’t following their script. I’m uncertain how many rules they have now but expect they will need to keep adding to those rules in order to stay in control.

What’s really hilarious is that “free speech” is a hot button for them and particularly for the two boys being sued for defamation. Go figure.

hairy

 

[Adventist Dissident]

freeindeed2,

If you keep posting against Advent Talk here, don't be surprised if you lose complete access there.

daryl I just have to say you have changed since I first met you. That post is just an immature attitude. i have lost a lot of respect for you.

 

[Jim Larmore]

I have the same concerns Noahswife. Seems in order to be fair, AT should have as many moderators on the 3ABN side as on the Joy/Pickle side. Otherwise, you have many unfair "bans" and biased moderating right?

I have not been on the AT site yet but if it is biased against Danny Shelton and 3abn as Daryl has demonstrated to be in the past then I wouldn't want to go there in the first place.The 3abn issues have served to be polarizing entities amoung many adventists in the last couple of years. It's a sad thing indeed to watch and it's a shame that some folks choose to believe one side over the other without looking at all of the evidence objectively. It took me a long time and a lot of reading on this initially but after careful consideration my decision is to lean towards Danny's side on all of this. Does that mean Danny didn't make any mistakes at all? Nope, not at all but what happened to Linda was Linda's fault as she had ample opportunities to make things right before they went too far.

That's just my take on all of this. I'm sure there's been a lot going on that none of us will ever know about and to be honest I don't want to know because it's none of my business. I just know that God's ministry that is 3abn is more important than anything trivial or stuff that is going on with any law suit or gossip column on a thread on AT.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[DarylFawcett]

I will admit, Jim, that I was tempted to respond to your post, however, as long as I am on staff here, I will refrain from entering into any of these discussions in regards to Danny Shelton, 3ABN, etc., however, that doesn't apply to my involvement in any discussions about 3ABN in forums outside of CF.

 

[Peach45]

Interesting thread, there's the same kinda discussion going on about this on the 3abndefended Yahoo group, here's my experience.

I was banned on AT for 48 hrs for wondering ( in a post) if the moderators had more than one ID. No problem, but then it turned into 96 hrs... and I could get no answers about this extended ban from Daryl or his staff despite numerous reports and emails.

When I finally got back on , I apologized to someone for taking so long to respond by saying my 48 hrs ban was unexplainably doubled and the moderator edited my post to tell everyone I was not being truthful and AT's logs proved it, and I would need to learn to tell the truth, and my next ban if warranted would be for 7 days. When I replied "Oh no I am not lying". I am replying publicly as I am being publicly accused, and posted the pms from her and Daryl to prove I had been telling the truth. My post was immediately deleted and I was banned again immediately to the extent that I wasn't even allowed to read posts.

The Moderator announcement that I lied is still on Daryl's forum, I was sent no message from the moderator, and again Daryl will not answer my emails. I am blocked from using pms so cannot pm the moderator who did both bannings as the forum rules require.

I emailed Daryl last on the 11th and still have no answer.

What kind of deal is this? Surely it's not right.

Peach (aka ian)

 

[Peach45]

Well I guess I finally have a response from Daryl. It seems he enforces there what he really can't enforce here... or elsewhere...
I went to AdventTalk and the part in bold text was added to the ban message there:

An Error Has Occurred! Sorry Ian, you are banned from using this forum!
Violation of Forum Rules #1 and #23. A full ban has now been implemented and another 5 days added for speaking against AT actions in a forum outside of AT.

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So much for the much loved principle of free speech being upheld on AT...

Is like seeing someone hang the 10 commandment on a wall, and fight for that right to do so, only to reveal it's just as hollow as the whitened sepulchres of the Pharisses , because also equally visible are their actions demonstrating the principles do not hold an equally prominent place in their heart.

(BTW, I Don't know what the 5 days was added to as I never have got word one about that, but have given up on ever getting one answer or word of explanation from the AT owner--> Daryl)

...and btw if any want to be able to ask questions or discuss the 3abn issues and concerns in a forum where the policies and rules also apply equally to all posters, whether friend or foe, or 3abn supporter or critic. You are welcome to join some of us here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3abnDefended/

Blessings to all...

 

[catlover]

Well I guess I finally have a response from Daryl. It seems he enforces there what he really can't enforce here... or elsewhere...
I went to AdventTalk and the part in bold text was added to the ban message there:




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So much for the much loved principle of free speech being upheld on AT...

Is like seeing someone hang the 10 commandment on a wall, and fight for that right to do so, only to reveal it's just as hollow as the whitened sepulchres of the Pharisses , because also equally visible are their actions demonstrating the principles do not hold an equally prominent place in their heart.

(BTW, I Don't know what the 5 days was added to as I never have got word one about that, but have given up on ever getting one answer or word of explanation from the AT owner--> Daryl)

...and btw if any want to be able to ask questions or discuss the 3abn issues and concerns in a forum where the policies and rules also apply equally to all posters, whether friend or foe, or 3abn supporter or critic. You are welcome to join some of us here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3abnDefended/

Blessings to all...

Doesn't seem like a positive board...

 

[DarylFawcett]

Advent Talk, as is also Christian Forums, is a positive board to those willing to abide by the rules.

By the way, CF also forbids the public discussion of CF Staff decisions and actions. I also don't think CF would be favourable to CF staff decisions and actions being publically discussed against in forums outside of CF as the staff decisions and actions of AT is being discussed here.