Advent Talk - A waste of your time

[RND]

Wow, I can't believe I've been away for almost two months! My self imposed hiatus was based on the fact that this forum was turning into a giant sandbox filled with petty people and petty complaints.

It was getting pretty sick frankly, so I decided to hang it up for a while. I am not back permanently however because I wanted to make this special post regarding the new Adventist Forum, Advent Talk which I understand is Daryl Fawcett's site.

I signed up for Advent Talk sometime back in March, but never posted anything until very recently, shortly after I received an e-mail notifying me about a new thread that was discussing discipline and whether it should be done in public or privately.

Intrigued I decided to stop by.

I saw several posts regarding the sabbath and some excellent articles posted by various members. Lots of cool stuff & some not so cool stuff, especially the tet-a-te regarding 3ABN and the troubles over there....not the way Adventist should behave in my opinion. But that's for another day.

Then I saw a post regarding the things we should be "grateful for" which seemed interesting. What the post was about was an article attributed to comedian Jay Leno titled "Jay Leno Hits the Nail on the Head."

Now, the OP insists that he didn't mean for the post to be of a political nature. Sure I can buy that. But the OP never made his intentions known in his first post. However, whether he had or hadn't would not have changed the fact that he posted "political" speech that not everyone (obviously me!) would agree with. On a public forum you can't post things that someone might disagree with and expect it not to be discussed. That would be absolutely naive.

Well, if you read the article, which was actually written by Craig R. Smith, by clicking on the above link I think you'll see my objections to the post and content in general. While the article lists many valid points of things we should be grateful for the bottom line is that it is "political" speech to which I posted a line by line rebuttal. Basically it's a bang the war drum and bang the "support the President" drum article that I find highly objectionable. In fact, when you think about it, it's really a stupid article from the stand point that the writer's very questions are answered by the result of the poll he quotes. Read the article, you'll see what I mean.

After much wrangling and back and forth and even the insistence by one moderator at Advent Talk that it wasn't "political" speech until I made it so that thread was closed. I was encouraged to take my complaint regarding the unprofessional and poor moderating to another thread titled "forum concerns."

I also complained to the head moderator regarding the veiled use of derogatory and insulting language when another poster took the word "assume" that I used in a post and basically called me an "azz." Nothing was done about that at all. Here at CF, that kinda stuff would not fly. At Advent Talk I supposed that type of stuff is encouraged.

From there, I started a thread there to discuss this poor behavior and extremely unprofessional moderating and that thread quickly devolved into another thread discussing what is, and isn't "political" speech. It too was closed.

Finally, this morning I started another thread that was intended to discuss the actual "political" speech contained in Craig R. Smith's original column. Now just so you are aware as to where I'm coming from this original column was first published at World Net Daily, a web site that deals in, you guessed it, "politics!"

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]MEDIA MATTERS[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+2]WND column tied to Jay Leno now hot urban legend[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Commentary piece mistakenly attributed to 'Tonight' show host No. 4 on Snopes list[/SIZE][/FONT]

And guess what, that post was closed, I was banned! (permanently or temporarily I do not know; permanently I sure after this post, but I don't care frankly).

Now, I could see if there was name calling, or a clear violation of the posted rules that would lead to a ban. There was none. No rules violated no derogatory or insulting language used by me, only other's.

To top it off I recieved this e-mail today: "All topics of a political nature are now temporarily banned at Advent Talk."

Say what? I'm the one that points out the "political" nature of the content of a post, leading to a temporary ban on "political" threads and I'm the one who gets banned? How's that work?

Anyway, I'm not upset about any on this, just absolutely fascinated that there could be a forum out there in etherland that has such poor moderating and policing of it's threads and moderators.

Daryl, do me a huge favor. Please, objectionably take a good look at the entire situation over there at Advent Talk. If you have an objection to free speech don't ban it, police it better, and try to have moderators that know what "political" speech is.

As I said over there many times in those various threads that were closed, if your are going to post something that is of a political nature, no matter what your intentions may be, you can't expect someone not to challenged the "political" nature of what you posted.

 

[RND]

Apparently, the ban was temporary as it appears to have been lifted. Considering I referenced Advent Talk in one of my blogs that was good timing.
I was considering removing the article from my blog.

http://youareisrael.blogspot.com/2008/05/ecological-dimension-of-sunday.html

 

[TrustAndObey]

RND, first of all, welcome back!

Second of all, don't EVER leave for two months without telling me again.

Third....I am going to PM you the link to a great site I've been hanging out at. It's awesome and has been a true blessing to me!

Lastly, I missed you.

 

[RND]

RND, first of all, welcome back!

Second of all, don't EVER leave for two months without telling me again.

Third....I am going to PM you the link to a great site I've been hanging out at. It's awesome and has been a true blessing to me!

Lastly, I missed you.

Thanks Lannie. Glad to be posting again.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

RND, first of all, welcome back!

Second of all, don't EVER leave for two months without telling me again.

Third....I am going to PM you the link to a great site I've been hanging out at. It's awesome and has been a true blessing to me!

Lastly, I missed you.

I don't mean to intrude but can you PM me that link too. I would be most greatful.

 

[sentipente]

Sometimes I miss the humor.

 

[RND]

The moderators over there at Advent Talk are the most unprofessional and childish people you could ever imagine. I think I'm gonna chill over there for awhile. Daryl, you have a tremendous mess on your hands over there; the way Advent Talk is moderated is nothing the way these forums are moderated over here.

 

[happywiththelord]

welcome back Rnd!!

 

[RND]

Thanks HWTL!

 

[reddogs]

The moderators over there at Advent Talk are the most unprofessional and childish people you could ever imagine. I think I'm gonna chill over there for awhile. Daryl, you have a tremendous mess on your hands over there; the way Advent Talk is moderated is nothing the way these forums are moderated over here.

As a mod, I have always got into the discussions and debate but I dont think that should ever affect the moderation. It just seems that something about the 3ABN issue pulls on people with emotions and those with angst seem to be the most drawn to it. What can you do...

 

[DarylFawcett]

In case you were not aware, we also close topics here that get too hot to remain open. Sometimes we even delete them.

We also have members here who complain about the moderation here.

Also, as Advent Talk is still a relatively new forum, it is still going through some growing pains.

 

[RND]

In case you were not aware, we also close topics here that get too hot to remain open. Sometimes we even delete them.

No question about that, but it is never done to silence a viewpoint the moderator is unhappy with. The mods at Advent Talk are extremely vitriolic and mean spirited Daryl. Very caustic and bias towards some that they do not like.

You'd have to be blind to miss it.

We also have members here who complain about the moderation here.

No doubt.

Also, as Advent Talk is still a relatively new forum, it is still going through some growing pains.

Yes it is and I'm more than willing to give you and your team the benefit of the doubt. But when I see moderators making comments about something being "not political" like the "Jay Leno" article was characterized then it is obvious that personal bias got in the way. They can do better.

 

[RND]

I got a ban for 48 Hours from Snoopy for:

"Sorry RND, you are banned from using this forum!
antagonistic, argumentative, combative and arrogant"

Imagine that! In a discussion board of all things!
OK, so this is how it works. I make a post in one section, another poster decides to copy and paste my comments in another section and make a post out of it. Then they get all uptight when I actually start commenting on the post that was started! Incredible. The conversation, in my view was just that, a discussion. Nothing more, nothing less.

Daryl, your moderators like to play favorites over there at Advent Talk. They have their pets and their buddies and do everything in their power to protect them. Then close and lock every post that doesn't go their way. It's not a "discussion" forum because there is no discussion allowed. If you don't go along with the "pro-3ABN" crowd then they do everything they can to shut you up.

Daryl, I know you know what I'm talking about. Take a good long honest look at the thread from tonight and you'll see exactly what I mean.

As it stands now Daryl, it won't take long for the average Adventist to turn tail and run from your thread when they find out how the show is run over there and when they find out they aren't part of any clicks. Your thread will prove the adage to be true that "Adventist's eat there own!"

 

[reddogs]

I got a ban for 48 Hours from Snoopy for:

"Sorry RND, you are banned from using this forum!
antagonistic, argumentative, combative and arrogant"

Imagine that! In a discussion board of all things!
OK, so this is how it works. I make a post in one section, another poster decides to copy and paste my comments in another section and make a post out of it. Then they get all uptight when I actually start commenting on the post that was started! Incredible. The conversation, in my view was just that, a discussion. Nothing more, nothing less.

Daryl, your moderators like to play favorites over there at Advent Talk. They have their pets and their buddies and do everything in their power to protect them. Then close and lock every post that doesn't go their way. It's not a "discussion" forum because there is no discussion allowed. If you don't go along with the "pro-3ABN" crowd then they do everything they can to shut you up.

Daryl, I know you know what I'm talking about. Take a good long honest look at the thread from tonight and you'll see exactly what I mean.

As it stands now Daryl, it won't take long for the average Adventist to turn tail and run from your thread when they find out how the show is run over there and when they find out they aren't part of any clicks. Your thread will prove the adage to be true that "Adventist's eat there own!"

Well everyone here knows you are "antagonistic, argumentative, combative and arrogant", but we still accept you into the brotherhood with all that.....

But give my man George Bush a break, he went and picked up a few trillion gallons of good crude by taking over Iraq, what more can you ask for so we can keep our Hummers rolling.........

 

[RND]

Well everyone here knows you are "antagonistic, argumentative, combative and arrogant", but we still accept you into the brotherhood with all that.....

And.....? Your point? Unfortunately at Daryl's forum it's a one-way street. Take GAJ's comments regarding Ted Kennedy. It was uncalled for, pure and simple and certainly didn't display a Christian heart. I called him on his comments. Instead of other's doing the same, they defended him and got on me for saying anything to him. It's a strange board over there. That wouldn't have flown over at HS.

But give my man George Bush a break, he went and picked up a few trillion gallons of good crude by taking over Iraq, what more can you ask for so we can keep our Hummers rolling.........

Ya think? I thought he went over there to turn the spigot off. Gas was on average 1.73 a gallon in March 2003. Five years and a few trillion later it's 4.00 a gallon.

 

[reddogs]

And.....? Your point? Unfortunately at Daryl's forum it's a one-way street. Take GAJ's comments regarding Ted Kennedy. It was uncalled for, pure and simple and certainly didn't display a Christian heart. I called him on his comments. Instead of other's doing the same, they defended him and got on me for saying anything to him. It's a strange board over there. That wouldn't have flown over at HS.



Ya think? I thought he went over there to turn the spigot off. Gas was on average 1.73 a gallon in March 2003. Five years and a few trillion later it's 4.00 a gallon.

Well, I have to run diesel in my tractor so you can imagine what I'm paying...George has been a disapointment, but what was our choice, Al Gore who wanted $5.00 a gallon.....

You should have seen the reaction when I did a thread on gossiping on the 3ABN issue, it was not pretty.....

But every forum takes some time to mature....so we'll see...give it time...I'm sure Daryl will work out the rules and proceedures..

 

[DarylFawcett]

Advent Talk has grown and become much more active than I had anticipated resulting in the need for more moderators there as well as Moderation Guidelines. The Maritime Forum had also gone through that stage before becoming the peaceful forum that it presently still is.

 

[RND]

Well, I have to run diesel in my tractor so you can imagine what I'm paying...George has been a disapointment, but what was our choice, Al Gore who wanted $5.00 a gallon.....

The years not over yet. Just give Gdub time.

You should have seen the reaction when I did a thread on gossiping on the 3ABN issue, it was not pretty.....

I can only imagine, you're about as popular over there as me!

But every forum takes some time to mature....so we'll see...give it time...I'm sure Daryl will work out the rules and proceedures..

I'm not sure. He doesn't seem to be listening and seemingly solid suggestions fall on deaf ears. The moderators job is to reign in both posters in a debate, not just one. But you never see the mods correcting their pets. They are very obvious in their bias and yet nothing gets done. That what makes me feel Daryl either doesn't care or he's just as biased.

Sometimes you reveal more about yourself in what you don't do or don't say.

Insted of worrying about the "political" talk on his board Daryl should reign in all the divisive all the 3ABN garbage over there. It really casts a bad light on Adventism and proves everything about the apostasy in the church that Mrs. White predicted. Could you imagine seeing such vitriolic posts at HS?

 

[reddogs]

Advent Talk has grown and become much more active than I had anticipated resulting in the need for more moderators there as well as Moderation Guidelines. The Maritime Forum had also gone through that stage before becoming the peaceful forum that it presently still is.

You mean, you already went through that, and you created another forum to go through it again.. to quote Princess Leia:"You’re braver than I thought”

 

[Pythons]

Advent Talk has grown and become much more active than I had anticipated resulting in the need for more moderators there as well as Moderation Guidelines. The Maritime Forum had also gone through that stage before becoming the peaceful forum that it presently still is.

Are other Adventist groups such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians free to talk at your site? How about people from other non-Adventist faiths?