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Adoption and Morality

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I'm quite sure everyone here would agree that putting a baby up for adoption is far better than an abortion. Do we examine adoption much? How many here have been adopted? Of those, are you pro-choice or pro-life? Have you met your birth parents, or even wanted to? Has anyone put a child up for adoption? Have you tried to find your children (I would be especially interested to hear from you). For those who have, or have not been adopted, how do you feel about the laws in most states that protect the birth parents anonymity? Would barring anonymity stop people from giving children up for adoption, or actually cause people to accept responsability for their actions? If it scared people from the adoption process, would it drive them to abortion?

Personally, I was adopted into a great family and couldn't ask for anything more, truly. It doesn't stop the questions I have though...
 

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momalle1 said:
I'm quite sure everyone here would agree that putting a baby up for adoption is far better than an abortion. Do we examine adoption much? How many here have been adopted? Of those, are you pro-choice or pro-life? Have you met your birth parents, or even wanted to? Has anyone put a child up for adoption? Have you tried to find your children (I would be especially interested to hear from you). For those who have, or have not been adopted, how do you feel about the laws in most states that protect the birth parents anonymity? Would barring anonymity stop people from giving children up for adoption, or actually cause people to accept responsability for their actions? If it scared people from the adoption process, would it drive them to abortion?

Personally, I was adopted into a great family and couldn't ask for anything more, truly. It doesn't stop the questions I have though...

I don't know if this counts, but one of my children is adopted. We adopted him at 20 months of age! He is now 13, I also have 3 other children. He sees his birth mother once per month. This was in the adoption agreement and it is really important to HIM, so I have had to work through my own issues with that. He has FAE and Asperger's syndrome, which is irrelevant to me, but shows there are so many kids needing a family!

Many adoptions here in Canada are open adoptions, where the birth parents choose the family. This seems to work really well! Also, most adoption records have been opened by now to help people connect.:) Open adoptions seem to be very popular here. If you wish to adopt a child through Social Services, in Alberta you will wait about 10 years for a new-born caucasian baby. However, the wait is much shorter if people would take older children or go through an adoption agency that offers open adoptions.

Glad to hear your success story!
 
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Wow, great story. I suppose it was good for you that you knoew up front you would have to deal with the birth mother, hopefully it reduced your issues. I suppose there are circumstances where a mother may feel that anyone else could provide her child a better life, and I would have to respect that. I think it's great she can see your son. Another person that loves him can't be a bad thing. I'm not sure how my parents would react, of course, I'm 41 now. When I was young, I did ask and they went to Catholic Charities and came back with a story. I'm not sure if it was accurate or completely made up to pacify me to be honest. I would never want to hurt my parents, and I think they understand, but I am curious and would like to meet my birth parents, or at least get some accurate information.
 
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Katya said:
I know of someone who had an abortion, she didn't agree with adoption. She thought there would be no guarantee that the baby would go to a good family.

I'm not familar with adoption in New Zealand, but that seems extreme!


Katya said:
I plan to adopt children. I'm alergic to pain. ;)

:D That's OK, just rearing children will be painful, but at least you get the joyful part.
 
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momalle1 said:
I'm quite sure everyone here would agree that putting a baby up for adoption is far better than an abortion. Do we examine adoption much? How many here have been adopted? Of those, are you pro-choice or pro-life? Have you met your birth parents, or even wanted to? Has anyone put a child up for adoption? Have you tried to find your children (I would be especially interested to hear from you). For those who have, or have not been adopted, how do you feel about the laws in most states that protect the birth parents anonymity? Would barring anonymity stop people from giving children up for adoption, or actually cause people to accept responsability for their actions? If it scared people from the adoption process, would it drive them to abortion?

Personally, I was adopted into a great family and couldn't ask for anything more, truly. It doesn't stop the questions I have though...

In my opinion, giving up a child for adoption can be much more scarring psychologically for the birth mother than having a 1st trimester abortion.

I know that sounds selfish, like all I care about is the mother. "What about the baby?" I can hear you asking. The baby never got a chance to live.

The baby never got a chance to exist, would be more accurate. The embryo could have become a baby, but the baby never existed. Whereas, if you continue your pregnancy, you have an actual baby that you have to hand over, never again to be able to have a say in the baby's life. Will it be treated kindly? Will the adoptive parents abuse it or neglect it?

That's why I think many women who have abortions feel they've actually made a responsible choice.
 
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Judy and Helo, thanks for the input, I can see your points. Their is a quality of life issue, though in Judy's case, I understand your mother's viewpoint, but at the same time, she made a decision to have sex, and her sorrow for having to give up a baby is part of the responsability for her actions, don't you think? (Why is your age listed as 5?)
 
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i am adopted.
i don't know my biological parents, and this is my choice.
i would like to see them but i am scared to death even with the thought.

i don't know how things are regarding adoptions in my country. but i believe that children should have access to information about the origins. it is their life.

i currently am a volunteer in the Association for the Protection of the Unborn Child in Greece, who supports pregnant women. i suppose i am a pro-lifer.

i feel very much blessed in my family now and i would love to adopt or foster kids of whatever age in the future.


i don't know what women or men say about adoption or abortion, i only say this:



MAMA LET ME LIVE !


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Annoula said:
i don't know how things are regarding adoptions in my country. but i believe that children should have access to information about the origins. it is their life.

I feel the same way. Some states in the US have open information, some have it locked tight, some will only release it if the need for medical history is proven. Do you think if a prospective parent knew the records would be open, it would lead to them choosing to have an abortion, rather then risking a child finding them in the future?
 
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momalle1 said:
Do you think if a prospective parent knew the records would be open, it would lead to them choosing to have an abortion, rather then risking a child finding them in the future?


I honestly have no idea.

sometimes i don't even understand why parents are so afraid about being found...

i suppose emotions are pretty painful for both parties...

i would say that killing a child because of the fear that you will be found later does not corelate very well... at least for me...

if you respect the new life you let it live. if you don't respect it you kill it.

if a biological parent is afraid that she will be found, well...she must be very-very afraid. i mean the earliest a young child can find their roots would be around 14-15 i would assume???
the majority may start looking much later even after 30 or 40.

adopted children have their own Cross to carry...

well....carry on ladies and gents!


we have nothing to fear but ourselves...
 
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Hi all!

DW & I adopted Yohanan here in Israel (under the auspices of the Ministry of Social Welfare's Child Welfare Service, which, by law has sole & exclusive jurisdiction over all domestic adoptions; CWS adoptions are closed & blind; private, USA-style adoption, is very, very illegal here) in May 1997, when he was 4-months-old. We adopted Naor (also under the auspices of the CWS) in November 2000, when he was a wee 2.5-weeks-old. (Yohanan marched into nursery school the next day & proudly announced: "I have a brother!") Both of Da Boyz were born here to (so we've been told) non-Jewish Russian/Ukrainian women who were working here illegally. Since Da Boyz' birthmoms were not Jewish, they were not Jewish & we had to be converted to Judaism. Naor's bmom was told to leave the country after she handed Naor over to the CWS; Yohanan's bmom walked out of the hospital 5 days after giving birth to him (emergency c-section; he was in full breech & 6 weeks premature) & has disappeared without a trace (the police tried to find her & gave it up; all the identifying data she gave upon being admitted to the hospital was either bogus or stolen).

When we received the formal adoption orders (from Jerusalem Family Court, in our cases), we received new birth certificates for Da Boyz, that list us as their parents. Their original birth certificates (which we never saw) were sealed and placed in a special Interior Ministry Population Authority register.

Under Israeli law, when Da Boyz are 18, they may go to the CWS & ask to see their files. The CWS will then do so, minus any details which could identify the birthparents. If the adoptee, wishes to contact his/her birthparents, the CWS will contact the birthparents & ascertain if they agree & on what terms. If they do not agree, there is no contact (and the adoptee has no recourse). The bioparents have no similar right; i.e. a mother who placed her child with the CWS for adoption cannot wait 18 years & then go to the CWS and aske where her biokid is.

In Yohanan's case, the whole thing is moot. His birthfather is a complete mystery (Yohanan's existence proves that he had one but that's all anyone knows about him). The CWS knows who Naor's birthfather is; I doubt that it'll have any current information on his birthmother.

The abortion rate here in Israel is way too high. If 1% of Israeli women who have abortions would agree to place their children for adoption, not only would the kids' lives be saved (duh) but the wait for adopted children could be shrunk drastically.

From when DW & I first approached the CWS until we received Yohanan took just over 4 years. The wait for Naor was less. The wait is (more or less) a simple function of supply-and-demand. That their birthmothers were not Jewish jumped us in the line (a couple that will accept a handicapped child or an older child will also jump ahead in the line). The CWS, by law, gives Jewish children to Jewish couples & Arab children to Arab couples. Before we received Yohanan, we did a CWS workshop on adopting a first child with 7 other couples & 2 CWS social workers; one of the other couples was a Christian Israeli Arab couple. In the Jewish sector, the demand for babies to adopt is far ahead of supply. In the Arab sector, the situation is reversed. There is actually a surplus of Arab babies, which the CWS places with Arab families in other countries; the CWS will NOT place an Arab child with a Jewish family. Children like Yohanan & Naor fall between the ethnic cracks, they're neither Jewish nor Arab. Since placing them with Arab families is not an option (the latter want Arab babies), they're placed with Jewish families.

DW & I feel that we are the proudest, most blessed parents in the world & thank God every day for blessing us with such wonderful boychiks. Adoption may be second choice (it was for us), but it is certainly not second best!

Howzat?

Be well!

ssv :wave:
 
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DW & I feel that we are the proudest, most blessed parents in the world & thank God every day for blessing us with such wonderful boychiks. Adoption may be second choice (it was for us), but it is certainly not second best!

Howzat?

Be well!

ssv :wave:


Congrats proud father!!!!!
 
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