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I am referring to the belief by most evangelicals that one must accept Christ on this earth in this life to get to heaven. That would exclude the millions of jews that loved and served God based on generational culture.
In the same way, it would exclude several billion throughout the history of man, buddist, hindus, muslims, etc. The fact is most are just following generational traditions and beliefs in the area they're born into.
If evangelicals are correct, then 90% of the jews Hitler tortured will be thrown into hell for all eternity because they didn't believe Christ was the messiah, correct?
Why am I a Christain, because I don't think like most evangelicals....
You figure the rest out.
In the same way, it would exclude several billion throughout the history of man, buddist, hindus, muslims, etc. The fact is most are just following generational traditions and beliefs in the area they're born into.
If evangelicals are correct, then 90% of the jews Hitler tortured will be thrown into hell for all eternity because they didn't believe Christ was the messiah, correct?
Why am I a Christain, because I don't think like most evangelicals....
You figure the rest out.
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Thank you, I thought it was rather obvious myself. I would've given more insight, but I have to be careful not to bring certain subjects to any degree as I'm told I will be banned if I do it yet again. Open discussion of UR isn't allowed, so be careful.
There's a reason I keep getting a newbie status every year
In reality I bet my post count is over 5000.Isn't it strange you can openly debate oral sex, MB, homosexual behavior, etc, fundies can deal with those issues, but the possibility of an all loving reconciling God, can't deal with that...
Oh sure, many get away with it, but I have a few fans that report me constantly, so if you see me banned yet again, maybe I'll see you in a few months.
What's funny is many evangelical hell breathers start debates, ask the questions knowing you can't really answer, if you do, they report you...
My question is, why are people afraid of open honest biblical debate on any subject that's argued biblically?
A small list of the early church fathers in the majority that believed in UR that wouldn't be allowed to express themselves here on the subject. Although I'm not Catholic, a great majority of those believed in it or the possiblity of it, including Pope John II, Karl Rahner, Hans Balthasar, Cardinal Murphy O' Connel.
Think of Jerome, considered among the greatest greek to latin translators, comissioned to translate the bible from greek to latin......not welcome here.
Pantaenus; Clement of Alexandria; Origen; Athanasius; Didymus the Blind; Macarius of Egypt; Gregory Thaumaturgus; Ambrose; Ephraim; John Chrysostum; Gregory of Nyssa; Gregory of Nazianzus; Jerome of Bethlehem; Evagrius Ponticus; Titus of Bastra; Asterius of Amasea; Cyril; Methodius of Tyre; Pamphilius Eusibius; Hillary of Poitiers; Victorinus; Macrina the Younger; Dionysius the Areopagite; John Cassian; Maximus the Confessor; Proclus of Constantinople; Peter Chrysologus; Diodorus of Tarsus; Stephen bar Sudaili.
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Thank you, I thought it was rather obvious myself. I would've given more insight, but I have to be careful not to bring certain subjects to any degree as I'm told I will be banned if I do it yet again. Open discussion of UR isn't allowed, so be careful.
There's a reason I keep getting a newbie status every year
Isn't it strange you can openly debate oral sex, MB, homosexual behavior, etc, fundies can deal with those issues, but the possibility of an all loving reconciling God, can't deal with that...
Oh sure, many get away with it, but I have a few fans that report me constantly, so if you see me banned yet again, maybe I'll see you in a few months.
What's funny is many evangelical hell breathers start debates, ask the questions knowing you can't really answer, if you do, they report you...
My question is, why are people afraid of open honest biblical debate on any subject that's argued biblically?
The answer is obvious, bias...
My post count is considerably higher than what is listed as well. Truth will prevail eventually.
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Yes and obviously if I have that power I have the power to make a hundred Hitlerbots. I don't know what I would do with them yet but I like having options dangit.
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I didn't see your identifier as a 'universal reconciliationist', nor do I know what that means - but thank you for being so clear.
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The same way we don't have the freedom to fly under our own power, but we still have freedom in other areas. Just as God chose to deny us the freedom to comprehend 5D objects, so too could he have denied us the freedom to comprehend evil and sinful acts.
Alternatively, God could easily step in every time someone is about to do something that causes suffering to someone else. The former has still made the choice, and so should be punished according to his crime, but the latter is not harmed. Free will and no suffering.
And if I can imagine a workable system for free will to coexist in a painless world, surely God can too...
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Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent--the LORD detests them both.
Who say's that people change their nature after death?
If Hitler is in Hell, then there is a reason why he is there, same goes for everyone else that happens to be Hell.
My answer would be no. I wouldn't release him or anyone else from Hell, nor myself If I were condemned.
Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent--the LORD detests them both.
Who say's that people change their nature after death?
If Hitler is in Hell, then there is a reason why he is there, same goes for everyone else that happens to be Hell.
My answer would be no. I wouldn't release him or anyone else from Hell, nor myself If I were condemned.
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It seems to me we are not defining free will the same way. What you are describing is not free will at all.
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Well the simple answer would have to be the ability to make choices free from constraints. Of course whether or not this is truly possible has and will continue to be hotly debated.
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Of course I can't help but wonder why an atheist would try to figure out the nature of a God when you do not believe one exists.
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Well then, can you make the choice to fly? Can you make the choice to change your sexual orientation? Accent? Skin colour? Species? There are things you can't choose, or rather, your choices are constrained. Therefore, our will is not wholly free - why, then, can't our will also be limited morally?
I'm not. My point is that the "Best of all worlds" theodicy is false.
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Well considering this is a "Christian Only" section of the "Christian" forum...I am not really interested in debating the validity of "theodicy" with you.
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Oh my... I thought this was in the 'Ethics & Morality' section! After I posted back in 2008 it must've been moved to a Christian Only section, but still came up on my UCP; I shouldn't be posting here at all...
*skedaddles*
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