Adding to the Word?

[mva1985]

But she has equated disagreement with her writings AS 'striking out against God'. That's what I COMPLETELY disagree with.

Is Jesus enough?

(***mva, I know we disagree on this, so please know that this is not personal for me, rather ONLY for discussion purposes! I'm sure you feel the same, but just making sure. )

Free,

I take no offense because you are willing to discuss without vilifying. I only take it personal because I believe in it. But I hold no grudges against you for engaging in this kind of discussion.

I would still be glad to sit down at a potluck with you should the occasion ever arrive!!!!

 

[NightEternal]

That line has already been used.

So no one has answered the question that I posed. EGW says that her work is either of God or of the enemy. What say you?

I don't care what claims she made for herself. Things are not that black and white and I do not view inspiration that way. I also don't buy into the all or nothing mentality as you seem to have done.

Certainly some things she wrote were inspired by God. She was also flat-out wrong on some things, misinterpreted some things and was influenced by her time and culture as well as the prevailing theologians and health reformers of her day.

If you are asking me if everything she wrote was inspired and straight from God right down to her shopping list, no, I don't believe that.

I will test the prophets as Paul counseled, hold fast to that which is good and discard the rest.

 

[NightEternal]

I am also getting very tired of people lumping me into the same group as the ones who have rejected EGW. I don't know how many times I have to clarify that I have not done so and have no intentions of doing so.

 

[Mankin]

Yep same here with me Night. The black and white thing doesn't work anyway. It's an extreme conservative viewpoint.

 

[mva1985]

I don't care what claims she made for herself. Things are not that black and white and I do not view inspiration that way. I also don't buy into the all or nothing mentality as you seem to have done.

Certainly some things she wrote were inspired by God. She was also flat-out wrong on some things, misinterpreted some things and was influenced by her time and culture as well as the prevailing theologians and health reformers of her day.

If you are asking me if everything she wrote was inspired and straight from God right down to her shopping list, no, I don't believe that.

I will test the prophets as Paul counseled, hold fast to that which is good and discard the rest.

The original quote refers to the published visions and the published testimonies.

 

[mva1985]

Yep same here with me Night. The black and white thing doesn't work anyway. It's an extreme conservative viewpoint.

I didn't say it I just quoted it. So you'll have to take it up with the author.

 

[Mankin]

mkay. Unfortunatly the author's dead

 

[freeindeed2]

Free,

I take no offense because you are willing to discuss without vilifying.

Good. I thought we were on the same page.

I only take it personal because I believe in it.

You may hold a belief, but if someone doesn't agree with said belief, it doesn't mean it's directed at the individual who do. It's directed at the belief itself.

But I hold no grudges against you for engaging in this kind of discussion.

Me neither.

I would still be glad to sit down at a potluck with you should the occasion ever arrive!!!!

As long as the food is good! LOL! If you're ever in Denver let me know. We could do 'potluck' at a restaraunt too!

In Christ alone...

 

[Mankin]

Yay! potluck time.

 

[NightEternal]

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41762276&postcount=1



I give up.

 

[NightEternal]

The original quote refers to the published visions and the published testimonies.

And? The same principal applies. Just because they happen to be published, does not mean the statements have been sealed in the ark of the covenant, beyond examination and exempt from discerning judgment.

 

[mva1985]

As long as the food is good! LOL! If you're ever in Denver let me know. We could do 'potluck' at a restaraunt too!

In Christ alone...

If I am ever out that way I will not hesitate to contact you!

 

[mva1985]

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41762276&postcount=1



I give up.

LOL....

I can't ask the same question in another forum?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Interesting that even herself she says the work is of God or of Satan. So who do you think it originated with?

I think she was wrong and many of her writings came from here own mind. That is why she got in trouble and got others in trouble because she heard rumors while in Australia and said Kellogg was building a building in a place and she said God was against him doing it. Kellogg was not building a building so he realized her words did not necessarily come from God she was passing on rumors.

So EGW says that none of her writings are merely the opinions of Sister White. They are the precious rays of light God has shown her. Yet she wrote things that we obviously wrong. Volcanoes causes by underground coal fires, milk and sugar ferment in the stomach to cause alcohol. Masturbation causes a host of diseases. None of those things are even dealing with her differences with what the Bible stories say. Because we could list even more things there. Now I have said she was wrong in making her claim. But what do you say:

Was God really giving her false information or was her information from the father of lies. Is it from God or Satan which is it. Can you answer that question...or will you answer it?

 

[mva1985]

I think she was wrong and many of her writings came from here own mind. That is why she got in trouble and got others in trouble because she heard rumors while in Australia and said Kellogg was building a building in a place and she said God was against him doing it. Kellogg was not building a building so he realized her words did not necessarily come from God she was passing on rumors.

So EGW says that none of her writings are merely the opinions of Sister White. They are the precious rays of light God has shown her. Yet she wrote things that we obviously wrong. Volcanoes causes by underground coal fires, milk and sugar ferment in the stomach to cause alcohol. Masturbation causes a host of diseases. None of those things are even dealing with her differences with what the Bible stories say. Because we could list even more things there. Now I have said she was wrong in making her claim. But what do you say:

Was God really giving her false information or was her information from the father of lies. Is it from God or Satan which is it. Can you answer that question...or will you answer it?

If you really have answered the question you certainly veiled it well.

Let your yes be a yes and your no be a no.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

If you really have answered the question you certainly veiled it well.

Let your yes be a yes and your no be a no.

Wow that is amazing! Lets review what my first line said in response to your question:

Originally Posted by mva1985
Interesting that even herself she says the work is of God or of Satan. So who do you think it originated with?


My Answer :
I think she was wrong and many of her writings came from here own mind.

Let me write so that even an imbecile can understand what my line says. When Ellen White claimed that her writings were either from God or Satan I said she was wrong. Wrong means that she does not know herself whether everything either came from God or Satan. Wrong means her statement is logically impossible to accept. First it supposes that "all "of anything can be true or untrue. Rarely does "all" of anything fit that generalization. Since she has been demonstratively wrong before her claim begins with the presupposition that she has never been wrong and as such she is again wrong. So we see that her beginning premise is logically untrue and because of her other incorrect statements we see that her presupposition is also untrue. therefore my answer began by saying :
"I think she was wrong"

If that is still too veiled for you then I am sorry for your disability. And frankly my asking you a question would be entirely inappropriate as you would not be capable of answering any question you are asked. I trust that I don't have to worry about such things in your case MVA.

Oh wait I see that in that line I wrote "here" when I should have wrote "her" sorry I suppose that may have confused you.

 

[mva1985]

Wow that is amazing! Lets review what my first line said in response to your question:

Let me write so that even an imbecile can understand what my line says. When Ellen White claimed that her writings were either from God or Satan I said she was wrong. Wrong means that she does not know herself whether everything either came from God or Satan. Wrong means her statement is logically impossible to accept. First it supposes that "all "of anything can be true or untrue. Rarely does "all" of anything fit that generalization. Since she has been demonstratively wrong before her claim begins with the presupposition that she has never been wrong and as such she is again wrong. So we see that her beginning premise is logically untrue and because of her other incorrect statements we see that her presupposition is also untrue. therefore my answer began by saying :
"I think she was wrong"

If that is still too veiled for you then I am sorry for your disability. And frankly my asking you a question would be entirely inappropriate as you would not be capable of answering any question you are asked. I trust that I don't have to worry about such things in your case MVA.

Oh wait I see that in that line I wrote "here" when I should have wrote "her" sorry I suppose that may have confused you.

Nice try with the whole logic bomb. But it appears again that you can't let your yes be a yes or your no be a no.

I can easily answer your question I believe that she is a messenger from God. She says that here works are either from God or from the enemy. Since I believe that she is a messenger from God, then I must believe that her works are from God. Yes is my answer.

You say that they are from her own mind. You are trying to dodge the question by adding an alternative that is not even available according to her. God or Satan? One or the other?

Care to try again?

p.s. the name calling is unnecessary.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Nice try with the whole logic bomb. But it appears again that you can't let your yes be a yes or your no be a no.

I can easily answer your question I believe that she is a messenger from God. She says that here works are either from God or from the enemy. Since I believe that she is a messenger from God, then I must believe that her works are from God. Yes is my answer.

You say that they are from her own mind. You are trying to dodge the question by adding an alternative that is not even available according to her. God or Satan? One or the other?

Care to try again?

p.s. the name calling is unnecessary.

First of all there was no name calling, second you seem to be hung up on the nonsense of yet your yes be yes and your no be no as if that means one has to answer a question by a yes or no answer. So it appears you don't understand that Bible verse. For instance I could ask you if you stopped beating your wife yet. Remember you can only answer yes or no. So please give that a rest.

So you believe that everything Ellen White published was from God. Such as when she said. "The Lord loves those little children who try to do right, and he has promised that they shall be in his kingdom. But wicked children God does not love." That was from a letter to her son but she published in a book An Appeal To Youth 1864. Later years however she said that people should not tell their children that God does not love them. Which message was from God?

Then look at the 7 scienfic errors of Ellen White, are those really the message of God?
http://ellenwhiteexposed.com/science.htm

Which do you believe the account in the Bible of Peter walking on water or Ellen White's account where Peter looks back in pride. Could God not agree with His previous inspiration on that one?

If your yes is yes I very much doubt that you accept all of her statements.

 

[NightEternal]

Give it up RC. He sees things in black and white, just like the other Trads. You might as well try and reason with your living room sofa, you might have better luck.

 

[moicherie]

Interesting that even herself she says the work is of God or of Satan. So who do you think it originated with?

When she implied that black people were from men and beast who inspired that or was she just plain wrong?
I am not anti EGW just anti the Pope Ellen that some Adventists seem to place her.