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Being a spirit makes God the image of an amoeba? I see no reason why the outward image of man is not made in the image of God.Creating man in His image cannot refer to an 'outward image.' God is a Spirit
I'm unsure if people are denying that we take off the corruption and put on incorruption - or if the discussion's too confused to get that precise.
I'm unsure if people are denying that we take off the corruption and put on incorruption - or if the discussion's too confused to get that precise.
It appears some brethren on the forum need a Bible lesson on the fact that Jesus did not come to save our flesh, He came to save our spirit/soul, as Apostle Paul was emphatic that flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption...
1 Cor 15:45-54
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
KJV
What does this mean for Adam and Eve's flesh before they disobeyed God in His Garden of Eden? Apostle Paul showed in the above that no one will see God's future Kingdom with a flesh body. Why? Because the flesh represents a body of "corruption".
This is elementary Bible 101 stuff, because our flesh was not made to live forever. It's the atheists which don't believe in God that want to somehow think their flesh can be immortal. It cannot. Even in Romans 7 Apostle Paul showed that in his fleshy members he served the law of sin. And sin = death. Our flesh is ordained to perish at the end of this world.
Rom 7:21-25
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV
Later modern Bible translations try to get away from identifying sin hard-linked to the flesh. The KJV is accurate on that, which apparently is why some today want to get away from the KJV translation on this matter, and instead push man's philosophy.
This means of course, that the seed of sin was already present in Adam and Eve's flesh, even before they sinned. Corruption cannot inherit incorruption, like Apostle Paul said. The flesh body is for this present world; the spiritual body is for the world to come.
The matter of a disparate anthropology that that overly separates body and soul is more Greek that Christian. The ringing crescendo of John 1:14 kai ho logos sarx egeneto tends more to suggest that Jesus came to put us back together. If salvation is not for souls and bodies it makes little sense to suggest God became Flesh and tabernacled in our midst.
The virtue of the opening post is that it does flag for us the importance of not seeing the body as too important. None the less matter matters, it just isn't the only thing that matters.
This is Gnosticism. The resurrection body Jesus had was physical. We know this because Thomas was told to touch it to confirm the healed wound and that our Lord ate fish. This dichotomy between flesh and spirit is a belief of Greek philosophy.
The main part in the portion of Paul you quote regarding this is:
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Do our souls die or does our body die? What is corrupted that needs to put on incorruption? It must be our physical bodies, because the material world was not created that it should be destroyed in the end. What is the point of the creation then? It makes sense in a Gnostic worldview, where the true God didn't create the material world but the wicked false God did, but we believe God created the world good. So why destroy it in the end? Why build a house if it's your intention to ultimately destroy it sometime later?
Will the resurrected body be flesh and blood? (1 Corinthians 15:50) Shall we eat, drink and defecate? Or will our mortal bodies be transformed (Philippians 3:21) and raised a spiritual body (1 Corinthians 15:42–44)The OP is denying the resurrection of the physical body.
We're saying that the body rises, transformed, immortal, and incorruptible.
What happened to Jesus is going to happen to us; as this is one of the most basic and central beliefs of the Christian religion.
A denial of bodily resurrection is as antithetical to Christianity as a denial of the existence of God.
-CryptoLutheran
Will the resurrected body be flesh and blood? (1 Corinthians 15:50) Shall we eat, drink and defecate? Or will our mortal bodies be transformed (Philippians 3:21) and raised a spiritual body (1 Corinthians 15:42–44)
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Show me where. I dare you.I dunno about blood but it does have flesh and bone, and it does eat and drink, don't know about defecate.
Read the gospels.
The transfiguration occurred before the resurrection (Mt 17:2).Show me where. I dare you.
If you mean Lazarus and others, they were brought back to mortal life on earth, like Jesus at the resurrection, but then He was transfigured into immortality and ascended into heaven. This is what we are talking about. Immortal life, in heaven, which is our final resting place.
Even the earth will pass away in time, but not the immortal.
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The OP also states that Adam and Eve were sin from the beginning because they were flesh...which of course is not true, Adam sinned while in spirit and flesh and caused sin to enter the world...your testimony in my view is true, I'm only pointing out another facet of the error of the OP.The OP is denying the resurrection of the physical body.
We're saying that the body rises, transformed, immortal, and incorruptible.
What happened to Jesus is going to happen to us; as this is one of the most basic and central beliefs of the Christian religion.
A denial of bodily resurrection is as antithetical to Christianity as a denial of the existence of God.
-CryptoLutheran
The transfiguration occurred before the resurrection (Mt 17:2).
And what of the resurrected body? Does Christ still occupy resurrected flesh or is he disembodied spirit?The flesh body is for this present world; the spiritual body is for the world to come.
This is Gnosticism. The resurrection body Jesus had was physical. We know this because Thomas was told to touch it to confirm the healed wound and that our Lord ate fish. This dichotomy between flesh and spirit is a belief of Greek philosophy.
The main part in the portion of Paul you quote regarding this is:
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Do our souls die or does our body die? What is corrupted that needs to put on incorruption? It must be our physical bodies, because the material world was not created that it should be destroyed in the end. What is the point of the creation then? It makes sense in a Gnostic worldview, where the true God didn't create the material world but the wicked false God did, but we believe God created the world good. So why destroy it in the end? Why build a house if it's your intention to ultimately destroy it sometime later?
Our resurrection bodies will be physical as was Jesus' resurrection body (Lk 24:37-43).
We will have spiritual physical bodies after the resurrection, similar to the present natural body organizationally, but radically different in that it will be imperishable, glorious and powerful, fit to live eternally with God. There is continuity with our bodies now, but there is also change (1Co 15:42-44).
In Paul's usage, "spiritual" does not mean non-physical, immaterial, non-corporeal, it means the domain of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus' resurrection body is the proto-type. It was physical.
No, what Apostle Paul taught about the "spiritual body" is not Gnosticism.
In 1 Cor.15 Paul also called the resurrection body the "image of the heavenly".
He also plainly said in 1 Corinthians 15:50 that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. So instead to trying to make false associations with Gnosticism, why not read what Paul said in its simplicity.
And instead of just spewing out two verses in 1 Cor.15, try the whole Chapter which includes verses like this showing what kind of body Lord Jesus' flesh body eventually wound up being when He ascended and it was transfigured to the Heavenly...
1 Cor 15:45-49
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
KJV
He says σῶμα ψυχικόν (soma psuchikon), a "soulish body". No, that's not a "flesh body". If he wanted to contrast physical and spiritual, he would have used a word that meant "physical" or "fleshly". He could have said soma phusikon (literally "natural body") but he didn't; he could have said soma sarkikon (literally "fleshy body") but he didn't. He said soma psuchikon, "soulish body".
The contrast isn't between flesh and spirit, the contrast is between soulishness and the Spiritual.
Again, compare with Romans 8:11.
-CryptoLutheran
Adam was not created to sin. God created nothing to sin. Fallen man will now continue to experiment with and struggle against the temptations of the flesh that Adam opened the door to but had Adam not disobeyed he would've lived forever in any case.
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