Adam ?

Theo Book · May 18, 2017

Aseyesee said:
Did God make Adam imperfect?

No. A "perfect man" is a man who has remained faithful to God, and died in that condition -

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Even Jesus was "Made perfect" by the things which he suffered, including death: "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Heb 5:8-9)

miknik5 · May 18, 2017

The "gospel" of THOMAS spoke of the LIVING JESUS

That seems to be overlooked by those gnostics who cling to teachings thinking that by this they have life

OpenYourBibles · May 18, 2017

eldios said:
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32
39: "`See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.

Exodus 4:
10: But Moses said to the LORD, "Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either heretofore or since thou hast spoken to thy servant; but I am slow of speech and of tongue."
11: Then the LORD said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him dumb, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the LORD?
12: Now therefore go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall speak."

Deuteronomy 28
15: “But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.
16: Cursed shall you be in the city, and cursed shall you be in the field.
17: Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading-trough.
18: cursed shall be the fruit of your body, and the fruit of your ground, the increase of your cattle, and the young of your flock.
19: Cursed shall you be when you come in, and cursed shall you be when you go out.
20: “the Lord will send upon you curses, confusion, and frustration, in all that you undertake to do, until you are destroyed and perish quickly, on account of the evil of your doings, because you have forsaken me.
21: The Lord will make the pestilence cleave to you until he has consumed you off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.
22: The Lord will smite you with consumption, and with fever, inflammation, and fiery heat, and with drought, and with blasting, and with mildew; they shall pursue you until you perish.
23: And the heavens over your head shall be brass, and the earth under you shall be iron.
24: The Lord will make the rain of your land powder and dust; from heaven it shall come down upon you until you are destroyed.

61: Every sickness also, and every affliction which is not recorded in the book of this law, the LORD will bring upon you, until you are destroyed.
62: Whereas you were as the stars of heaven for multitude, you shall be left few in number; because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God.
63: And as the LORD took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the LORD will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you; and you shall be plucked off the land which you are entering to take possession of it.

Here are some links to many words from the knowledge called Christ. Read them or listen to the visible body speaking those words in the various videos God had me put together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emfZ58T01nE What is the Beast and Antichrist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRG1ycay59o The Truth
What is the Beast and the Antichrist?
God and you are ONE.
Thoughts from God
Life in a Simulation https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSdMT9Zl0vBCg4VugYjVBFw

I took the time to read the link you posted, and I had a few questions stemming from that reading that you did not address! I am trying to get an understanding - I am not calling you a heretic or crazy and just writing you off - but we can never have an understanding unless we have an open dialogue. Could you answer my questions, or perhaps explain how the scriptures you referenced are an answer to my questions, because I do not recognize them as such?

If you are God's last servant... who are you preaching too? You are clearly the last one! I tell my kids - the last one out of the house, close the door! - Why because no one else is coming! If your doctrine is true, and you are the last one, who are you preaching too?

Furthermore, I took the time to read you post. And what it seems to me you are describing is a God ordained illusion set up to allow the antichrist some semblance of control - but my Bible teaches me God cannot be tempted with evil, neither does he tempt any man. That would seem contrary to what you are explaining.

miknik5 · May 18, 2017

Let's see:

The true words of the Living JESUS

If anyone can discern these words they will not taste death

Very misleading in the hands of those who have not entered in by the door for or implies that one can attain to a level of communication with GOD apart from THE SON.

It's only through CHRIST that we have access to THE FATHER by ONE SPIRIT)

Thereby bypassing CHRIST and treating HIM no different than any other wisdom teacher

A little here
A little there

Polluted, diluted food that does not feed

eldios · May 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
This is all the knowledge we need
John 15 our "work" is to REMAIN in HIM and not "go out" from
HIM

The difference between those identified in 1 John 2 from those identified in 2 John 1 will be made manifest in the last days

Not by power or by might sayeth the LORD

But by HIS SPIRIT

Unfortunately not all know of whose SPIRIT they truly are of

When we servants preach the gospel of God, we don't need to use any scriptures because we are the Word of God where all the scriptures came from. God only has us use scriptures in these internet forums because He can't rebuke Satan or the beast from the minds of His chosen believers as easily in written form. It's much easier when His servant is speaking His words directly into the minds of his chosen believers who love hearing that knowledge from their Father in heaven.

miknik5 · May 18, 2017

Theo Book said:
No. A "perfect man" is a man who has remained faithful to God, and died in that condition -

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Even Jesus was "Made perfect" by the things which he suffered, including death: "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Heb 5:8-9)

It was necessary that the author of our salvation should be made perfect through suffering because the children who are of flesh suffer

This is why HE (unlike angels who though ministering servants for those who would have salvation could never effectively mediate/minister for humanity having never walked in our humanity) is able to mediate for us.

HE learned obedience by what HE suffered and by what HE suffered (even death in the cross) became the ONE and ONLY SOURCE of salvation to all those who believe and obey HIM

Aseyesee · May 18, 2017

Theo Book said:
No. A "perfect man" is a man who has remained faithful to God, and died in that condition -

Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Even Jesus was "Made perfect" by the things which he suffered, including death: "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Heb 5:8-9)

Made perfect by learning, or mature by learning ...

miknik5 · May 18, 2017

Aseyesee said:
Made perfect by learning, or mature by learning ...

HE was "made perfect" by humbling himself and coming in our likeness and learning obedience by suffering for the children who suffer

LadyCrosstalk · May 18, 2017

Aseyesee said:
Did God make Adam imperfect?

No, I think that God made Adam perfectly. But He did make Adam with the ability to make choices between God's way and Satan's way, which necessarily means that Adam COULD make evil choices (otherwise it is not really a choice).

Keath · May 18, 2017

ViaCrucis said:
Excellent question. Or at least it's a very valid point to address how an act of disobedience arises apart from the sinful compulsion, or indeed if it even can.

-CryptoLutheran

Only the ability to choose is required. The choice was not good vs evil, as it would be in relation to the 'sin' nature. The choice was the always open option not to obey.

Keath · May 18, 2017

LadyCrosstalk said:
No, I think that God made Adam perfectly. But He did make Adam with the ability to make choices between God's way and Satan's way, which necessarily means that Adam COULD make evil choices (otherwise it is not really a choice).

The choice was not rooted in good vs evil; Adam was unware of this concept. The choice was rooted in the always open option not-to-obey; which upon making this choice made Adam disobedient.

Hillsage · May 18, 2017

Unless scripture is just being 'redundant' then there is a difference between "good, acceptable, perfect".

ROM 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

And if God would made Adam/Eve perfect, then why did they fall apart like a 2$ suitcase and sin, at the very first temptation? And a pretty minor temptation at that IMO. I mean it wasn't like they were starving, or really even hungry, is it?

LadyCrosstalk · May 18, 2017

Keath said:
The choice was not rooted in good vs evil; Adam was unware of this concept. The choice was rooted in the always open option not-to-obey; which upon making this choice made Adam disobedient.

I wasn't saying that Adam KNEW his choice was evil (although that case could be made) but that its effect was evil.

eldios · May 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
The "gospel" of THOMAS spoke of the LIVING JESUS

That seems to be overlooked by those gnostics who cling to teachings thinking that by this they have life

The gospel of Thomas is just one small writing that he had to write for God. These secret sayings contain knowledge of the invisible Word of God that cannot be understood by sinners. It can only be understood by the spirit of man who was born in the spirit of God.

LadyCrosstalk · May 18, 2017

eldios said:
The gospel of Thomas is just one small writing that he had to write for God. These secret sayings contain knowledge of the invisible Word of God that cannot be understood by sinners. It can only be understood by the spirit of man who was born in the spirit of God.

The "gospel of Thomas" is a fake, gnostic "gospel".

ViaCrucis · May 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
Hi what is eschaton?

It's the Greek word that means "the end" or "the last"; eschatology is "the study of last things". It refers to the final day, the coming of Christ, the last judgment, the resurrection of the dead, etc.

-CryptoLutheran

Colter · May 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
[THE TRUTH that all flesh is under HIS authority

Unrelated to the fact that Lazarus emerged from the tomb with his burial cloths still intact.

Colter · May 18, 2017

miknik5 said:
THE WORD was made flesh
HE will reign until all has been accomplished because no man can come to THE FATHER except through THE SON

Unrelated to what kind of body Jesus had in heaven.

miknik5 · May 18, 2017

eldios said:
The gospel of Thomas is just one small writing that he had to write for God. These secret sayings contain knowledge of the invisible Word of God that cannot be understood by sinners. It can only be understood by the spirit of man who was born in the spirit of God.

then you should have no problem interpreting saying 28 through 30

miknik5 · May 18, 2017

Colter said:
Unrelated to the fact that Lazarus emerged from the tomb with his burial cloths still intact.

If you say so

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