Adam was made from the dust of the ground.....

[AV1611VET]

To quote John Walton, "The Bible was written for us, but not to us."

It was written so that people living two to three thousand years ago could understand it.

Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Psalm 33:11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

John Walton can take a hike.

(I never really cared for The Waltons anyway.)

 

[Kenny'sID]

In this situation, however, you specifically complained about being "wrongly accused" of being closed minded, then proved the accusation correct, by admission.

No need to explain the little discrepancy you think you saw again....you'll clearly see what works best for you.

And this is the point that Leslie was trying to make. Fundamentalists and evolution supporters are both convinced of their positions, but only one is willing to continually search for truth, rather than assume they already have it.

Only one feels they need to continually search for the truth, the other feels they have found it.

You'll never convince me being steadfast in ones believe in God and his word in it's entirety is wrong.

 

[USincognito]

Evolution is a great lie.

And yet we have such a massive amount of evidence supporting it.

 

[USincognito]

Choose your God; the Lord or Darwin.

False and frankly a rather insipid dichotomy.

 

[USincognito]

What you think is contrary to the word of God, and is thus false.

Please demonstrate that evolution is false.

 

[46AND2]

No need to explain the little discrepancy you think you saw again....you'll clearly see what works best for you.



Only one feels they need to continually search for the truth, the other feels they have found it.

You'll never convince me being steadfast in ones believe in God and his word in it's entirety is wrong.

Fine, why not say you don't find anything wrong with being closed minded, then, instead of calling it a false accusation?

 

[USincognito]

Evolution is an opinion, not a fact; despite how enthusiastically it's supporters might try to convince you otherwise.

^^^ Opinion, not a fact.

Come on KWC, give us more than vacuous rhetoric. Show us that evolution is false.

 

[KWCrazy]

By contrast, I am fully convinced that the earth is billions of years old, and we are the product of the evolution of life. However, I'm fully willing to admit I'm wrong, should evidence prove otherwise. And this is the point that Leslie was trying to make. Fundamentalists and evolution supporters are both convinced of their positions, but only one is willing to continually search for truth, rather than assume they already have it.

On most subjects I stand opposed to atheists, but on the subject of evolution your argument has more merit than that of the T.E. You don't try to twist and distort the Bible to conform with evolution. Rather, you reject it outright, which is the more honest approach. The intelligent mind cannot hold two contradictory beliefs. To try and conform to evolution the T.E. has to reject so much of the Scripture there is some question as to whether he believes anything at all.

The problem you have is what you construe to be evidence. If you demand absolute proof you will not be satisfied. Though God is the one absolute in the universe, He does not prove Himself because we are to come to Him on faith. Faith is hard, but the rewards are out of this world..

So here you have evolution; a universe coming about by means unexplainable to science bringing forth a first life that is unexplainable to science that somehow finds something to eat though it is alone on the planet and then encounters something which forces it to evolve; a hard thing to happen when you are the only species on the planet. So then copy errors somehow implant characteristics that never previously existed into this solitary being and it emerges from the sludge to become the progenitor of plants and animals alike.

If I wrote a story like this and presented it to a general audience it would never sell because it's too outlandish. The competing story is a magnificent God who creates the heavens and the earth and gives man the opportunity to serve or to sin. Man, being the free thinking rebel, decides to sin and the perfect world is sullied. Man and his descendants have the curse of death upon them... but suddenly the Son of God offers them eternal life. Now we know not only how we came about, but why. Now not only does life make more sense but it has meaning. Truly, this is a superior story.

All of us who know the Lord came from the fallen part of man who previously rejected Him. The atheist is not the enlightened one. Doubting and rejection authority is our nature. True enlightenment come when you encounter the Lord and invite Him into your life.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Fine, why not say you don't find anything wrong with being closed minded, then, instead of calling it a false accusation?

How bout both. But no, I don't think I'll further try to prove it was a false accusation, that would just be cruel to someone who feels they have something so precious that they have to keep going on and on about it. I haven't the heart to take that away from you.

 

[USincognito]

No...very bad idea. You do that, but I just won't open myself up to lies that tech the Bible is not the truth in it's entirety.

Please, do go on. Tell us how evolution is a"lie".

 

[Kenny'sID]

Come on KWC, give us more than vacuous rhetoric. Show us that evolution is false.

As these things usually go, isn't the burden of proof on those who make the claim? So, come on US...show us.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Please, do go on. Tell us how evolution is a"lie".

If you believe in the Bible it's a lie, what more would you expect a Christian on a Christian board to say? The Bible says it and that's all some of us need. If you need more, go find it or believe what you have already.

Do you feel some need to convince us what you believe to be true is true? If so, why?

 

[USincognito]

So here you have evolution; a universe coming about by means unexplainable to science bringing forth a first life that is unexplainable to science that somehow finds something to eat though it is alone on the planet and then encounters something which forces it to evolve; a hard thing to happen when you are the only species on the planet.

You almost had a point. Straw man versions are very hard to accept. How about you try actually addressing evolution instead of your straw man version however?

 

[46AND2]

How bout both. But no, I don't think I'll further try to prove it was a false accusation, that would just be cruel to someone who feels they have something so precious that they have to keep going on and on about it. I haven't the heart to take that away from you.

You. literally. stated. it.

 

[USincognito]

Please, do go on. Tell us how evolution is a"lie".

If you believe in the Bible it's a lie...

You're not answering the question. In order for something to be a lie you need to actually demonstrate that it is so. And you need to do so beyond vacuous rhetoric.

I also find it insulting when YECs suggest TEs don't believe in the Bible.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You. literally. stated. it.

Happy to help out with your needs.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You're not answering the question. In order for something to be a lie you need to actually demonstrate that it is so. And you need to do so beyond vacuous rhetoric

Nor are you. In order for it to be the truth, you have to prove it so.

Where is this going to get us?

 

[USincognito]

As these things usually go, isn't the burden of proof on those who make the claim? So, come on US...show us.

You are correct. KWC is making the claim that evolution is false and it's up to him to support that claim.

If your challenge was meant to get me to provide evidence supporting evolution, I will gladly do so, but only if you'll address it and not try to hand wave it away with Creationist magical words like "Presuppositions", etc.

 

[USincognito]

Nor are you. In order for it to be the truth, you have to prove it so.

Where is this going to get us?

This verbal judo and onus shifting might impress the kiddies, but I've been doing this a long time.

 

[lesliedellow]

If your challenge was meant to get me to provide evidence supporting evolution, I will gladly do so

You can supply it, but he has already told us he won't read it.