Adam was formed on the 3rd Day

-57 said:

The point was...your creation beliefs ARE NO BAPTIST...nor the beliefs of any other denomination.

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-57 said:

I agree with Peter as he references Noahs flood in 2nd Peter 3.

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mmksparbud said:

No--it means that they can only reproduce after their own species
Genesis 1:11
and Elohiym said, the land will make grass sprout, herbs sowing seeds, trees of produce making produce to his kind which his seed is in him upon the land, and he existed so,
Genesis 1:21
and Elohiym fattened the great crocodile and all the living beings the treaders which swarm the waters to their kind, and all the flyers of the wing to his kind, and Elohiym saw that it was functional,
Genesis 1:24
and Elohiym said, the land will bring out living beings to her kind, beasts and treaders and living ones of the land to her kind, and he existed so,
Genesis 1:25
and Elohiym made living ones of the land to her kind and the beast to her kind and all of the treaders of the ground to his kind, and Elohiym saw that it was functional,
Mechanical Translation

KIND: A category of creature that comes from its own kind as a firm rule. [Strong's #: 4327]
Lexicon | Concordance----Mechanical translation


At no time was a distinction made as to who did what and that there is a difference. In all instances, after his kind is said by Elohiym---in each case it was said "his kind"--not "my kind" As in all other aspects of your theory--it just plain doesn't fit scripture in any way.




After the fall there were no defects--there were no genetic flaws to pass on. They married each other.Even as far down as Abraham who was married to his half sister.
god had no problem with Abraham on this. There was no restrictions on that yet.

(Gen 20:12) And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.



Sons of God were those who followed God, daughters of men were women who were not followers of God





(1Co 15:47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
(1Co 15:48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Christ was made fully human--He was also fully divine---the bible explains itself and the first Adam was made of earth--Jesus was not---"the second man is the Lord from heaven"'

Once again scripture refutes you as it has in all your theories



Genesis 1:27
and Elohiym fattened the human in his image, in the image of Elohiym he fattened him, male and female he fattened them,
Genesis 5:1
this is the scroll of the birthings of the human in the day Elohiym fattened the human, in the likeness of Elohiym he made him,
Genesis 5:2
male and female he fattened them, and he respected them, and he called out their title human in the day he fattened them,

Nowhere does it state that God made Adam on day 3--it is a fabrication of yours that has been repeatedly refuted but you fail to see it. "There is none so blind as he who will not see and your are indeed Blind." We can only pray that God will open your eyes to His word and not your own but He doesn't force, one has to be willing and it's pretty obvious, even if God Himself told you were wrong, you'd argue with Him about it!!





You are so wrong on so many points it incredible. Humanity lost their lifespan after the flood --they still for lived several hundred years after the flood, the lifespans slowly decreasing ( by the time we get to Abraham:

(Gen 25:7) And these are the days of the years of Abraham's life which he lived, an hundred threescore and fifteen years.

His father had been much older at his death

(Gen 11:32) And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.
Mosses was 120



Lamech is not listed in the genealogy of Jesus--So???-----very few people are listed in His genealogy!!! The purpose of the genealogy is not to trace Jesus genealogy to any descendant of a child of Adam, but to Adam---however, it's explicit purpose was to connect Jesus o the descendants of David as that would fulfill prophecy.

Your flaws have been pointed out for months and months now and it has been embarrassing to all of us---but you can't see---



After the flood----for a 2nd time (the first being creation week after Adam, formed on DAY 6), we were given dominion over the earth.

Genesis 9:2

and a fearing of you and a trembling in fear of you will exist upon all the living ones of the land, and upon all the flyers of the skies, in all which tread upon the ground, and in all the fish of the sea, in your hand they were given




I think you need to study a whole lot more---beginning with the verses around 2 Ti 2:15.

(2Ti 2:14) Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
(2Ti 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
(2Ti 2:16) But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.



I know none of this will help you see the truth of God's word as opposed to your own, but maybe one day God can override your pride and stubbornness--however, even He has his Limits---I think this is enough of the profane, vain babblings. Up until now most have adhered to this:

(2Ti 2:23) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
(2Ti 2:24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
(2Ti 2:25) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
(2Ti 2:26) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

But I do believe everyone has pretty much had it for now!! Gid bless you with truth and understanding---bye!

And you never have produced the verses that state Adam was created on day 3, the rest is your own speculation, no verse for God created Adam spiritually at a different time--again your own speculation, no verse that mentions prehistoric people......and on and on--

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n2thelight said:

Peter is not talking about Noah's flood

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

Most Christians today, and all of the worldly people today are willingly placing their selves in ignorance on this matter of the creation. Old as it is spoken of here is very ancient, goes far back before the time of Noah and Adam, and even before the creation of the animal world and the earth age as we know it now. Peter is telling you that in the far past, there was a first earth age. Not a different world or planet, but the same planet [earth] existing in a time frame prior to as the earth exist today. The same world, but a different world age or time frame.

II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

That world age or cosmos that existed in that ancient time of the past, and everything that was a part of it was destroyed completely. All life on it was completely done away with. God destroyed it completely and it happened at Satan's overthrow. Many people believe that this flood was the flood of Noah's day, however, the flood of Noah's day did not destroy this world age, life from before that flood carried right over into the dispensation that followed one year later, after the waters had subsided.

Even in the first two verses of Genesis, God declared that there was a first earth age. Lets go there and study what the Word actually says there.
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
There are two bodies mentioned in this verse; the heaven and the earth. It simply states a fact, and left the time factor out. This verse not only did not say when, but left it totally to our imagination, as to the eternal span of time, and who the creation took place. In Proverbs 8:22 we read of wisdom speaking through Solomon. Wisdom is God, for all wisdom is of God. "The Lord possessed me in the beginning of His ways, before the works of old." What works of old could this be? It is the old earth age, spoken of in Revelation 12.

Proverbs 8:23"I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was."

This is stating that wisdom was with God, and He possessed me.

Proverbs 8:24 "When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water."

Before there was any need of an abyss, or pit, and the water to fill them, God's wisdom was there.

Proverbs 8:25"Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:"

Before the earth even took on its present form, with the high mountains and rolling hills, God's wisdom was there. God's wisdom played part in the creation of this earth, and all wisdom comes from God.

Proverbs 8:26 "While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the high part [beginning] of the dust of the world."

God was even there before that first Adam, or speck of dust of the earth was formed.

Proverbs 8:27"When he prepared the heavens and set a compass (circle) upon the face of the depth:"

Proverbs 8:28 "And when he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:"

Proverbs 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the fountains of the earth:"

In other words what this is saying is that there was land, and oceans, and fields and lakes, and God set His commandment that they should be separated through the "compass" which He set: and we call it "gravity" today. This is the force that separates all water from dry land. When the waves hit the rocks of the shoreline, they resend back into the sea.
God allowed Job to be tested by both Satan and his fellow man, in the book of Job. However, after 37 chapters of man's nonsense, ramblings, and bad advise by those around Job, God spoke to Job.

Job 38:1, 2:"Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?"

Job had been tested to the point of losing his entire family, all his property, and he had been inflicted by sores and sickness, yet he did not curse God. He was in a poor frame of mind when God again came to Job. Job had been listening to the trash of men's doctrines for the first thirty seven verses of the book of Job, and now Job was ready to put those ramblings aside of other men, and listen directly to God.

Job 38:3"Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou Me."

God told Job to straighten up and be a man, and listen to what He is about to tell Job. Then God spells out in detail how He laid out the foundations of the earth and the heaven, and all matters concerning them. Then in the rest of Job 38 and 39 God reveals the wisdom that we read about in Proverbs 8.
God told Job how He put the universe all together. Our God is infinite in wisdom and power, yet His love for His children is so great that He allowed Himself to be killed as a man, on the cross at Calvary hill. It was this act of love that made it possible for mankind to except Him as their Savior and approach Him as His child.

So there is a complete separation between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Genesis 1:1 is the first creation of heaven and earth, while Genesis 1:2 is the destruction of this earth after the fall or rebellion of Satan.
Genesis 1:2"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

Who is the Spirit of God? He is the Holy Spirit, and it is God's Spirit that moved upon the face of the waters. In the Hebrew text the translation of the word, "was" as used in this verse "...the earth was without form,..."; we see in the Massorah test it reads "(to become) without form...". The earth was not created a ruin but it became a ruin after the fall of Satan. It is the translators that changed the word from became, to was when they put it into English. This is the same thing that happened in Genesis 2:7"...and man became a living soul."

The correct translation of the Hebrew from the Massoretic text for these words, "...without form..." is "tohu-va-bohu". So we see that the earth was not created "without form", but it became [tohu] without form and void". Lets go to Strong's Hebrew dictionary, reference number 1961 to verify the word "was", that we read in this verse. "Hayah, haw-yaw; a prime root, to exit; to become, or come to pass."

Now lets continue in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary to get the pure meaning for the word "void". # 2258, on page 36 tells us that we have to go to # 2254 for the prime root word for the meaning of the word "void". "Chabal, khaw-bal; to wind tightly as a rope, to bind, to pervert, destroy, to corrupt, spoil, travail." This corresponds with its other use in # 2255, which is "to ruin".

"Tohu" of the earth, then means that total destruction has come to pass upon the earth. The second "was" in the verse is in italics type because there is no verb "to be" in the Hebrew language. This is one of the problems in translating Hebrew into English, the verb "to be" is not distinguished from the verb, "to become".

At the end of the first earth age of Genesis 1:1 that age ceased to exist in its precious form. God created the earth to be inhabited, and then He destroyed it. There was an entire earth age that existed between the first two verses of Genesis. This first earth age is spoken of in Jeremiah, Proverbs, and Jude, as well as in II Peter.

We will look into these Scriptures and try to understand the deeper meaning of our Father's Word.

If you don't understand that there was a first earth age, you will not understand why God would say in Malachi 1:3; "And I hated Esau...". God hated Esau even while he was in his mother's womb. It was in the first earth age that God hated Esau, because of what he was and did in that first earth age. It was what Esau's soul did in that age, that angered God so; and that anger passed on to the embryo of Esau when his soul entered into this earth age. This is also recorded in Romans 9:13.

Genesis 1:2 then verifies that our earth is far older then 6000 years old, when in fact it is probably millions of years old. However, no matter how old this earth is, it is the only place in the universe that mankind, and the animals can exist in the flesh form that we are in and survive. We do not worship the creation, but we worship the creator, our Heavenly Father. God is in control of all of His creation, and He destroyed all forms of life that lived on earth from that first earth age.

Isaiah 45:18 "For thus saith the Lord That created the heavens: God Himself formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: "I am the Lord; and there is none else." "

God is speaking and Isaiah is writing what God is saying down, and God is telling us that when He created the earth, it was not in vain. "Vain" as used here is the same Hebrew word that we saw in Genesis 1:2, which was given as "void", or ruin. God created this earth to be lived on, and to be inhabited. Genesis 1:1 told us that God created the earth to be inhabited. "Tohu", the "destruction", was not part of the creation plan, but came after the fall of Satan, when one third of all the souls followed Satan in the first earth age, in verse two.

So when we go back into II Peter 3:6, "Whereby the world that then was, being over-flowed with water, perished." We see that it was that earth age that perish, and all that was part of it. It became void at the rebellion of Satan when he drew one third of the souls with him. This is what Revelation 12:1 - 4 is all about. It was in the first earth age that this took place, and what happened then is a type of what shall happen again in our generation.

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mmksparbud said:

No--it means that they can only reproduce after their own species
Genesis 1:11
and Elohiym said, the land will make grass sprout, herbs sowing seeds, trees of produce making produce to his kind which his seed is in him upon the land, and he existed so,

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mmksparbud said:

No that is taken from the word of God as wax read by the Jews from when it was written---I hate to tell you this, but the KJV was not written until and it was translated from the original Hebrew so you the one the reading an altered paraphrased version and inserting your own ideas on top of that!!
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The King James Version, also known as the Authorized Version or King James Bible, is an English translation of the Christian Bible for the Church of England that begun in 1604 and completed in 1611. First printed by the King's Printer Robert Barker, this was the third translation into English to be approved by the English Church authorities. The first was the Great …

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This is not "my" version. This is a literal translation from the Hebrew--a Mechanical translation is the Hebrew characters are read by Jewish scholars who know the language and it's roots and each character is translated as it is written--which can look very different. The Hebrew language can be very complicated and I suggest you start to investigate it. Originally the Hebrew is not written in chapter and verses--it is a long scroll. To find anything they had to know where in the scroll something was. It also has no punctuation as we know it. It can look very strange. This is what after his kind looks like:

lê'mi'ney'hu
to~KIND~him

I can't copu much of it as each character of the Hebrew is read as a word by this website and will count as too many to allow me to post even one whole verse. I have to finish this on another post as it now.

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ewq1938 said:

Yes God was married:

Jer_3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

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