Adam was formed on the 3rd Day

Aman777 · Dec 30, 2015

-57 said:
You haven't even come close to demonstrating that yet.

Sure I have. You must have missed the Fact that mankind's dominion or rule over "every living creature" is FUTURE. Also every creature becoming vegetarian is FUTURE to our time at the end of the present 6th Day. Gen 1:30 and Isa 11:7. IF you could refute me, you would have already done it. Unless you can refute God's Holy Word, my position stands on God's Rock. Amen?

mmksparbud · Dec 30, 2015

Aman777 said:
Evolution is nothing more than changes within His and Their kinds. Godless evolution goes further than the definition of evolution, which is changes in the genetics of living creatures within a population over time. Just because Godless men changed the name from changes within kinds to "evolution" does not mean that there is ANY difference.

OK----let's try this again----where in the bible is there mentioned a prehistoric peoples?? What people is this when there is no mention of anyone other than Adam and Eve. When did they become a living soul--where are they mentioned--Gen 1 nor Gen 2 talks about them.

What are you talking about His and their kinds?
(Gen 1:21) And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

That says every living creature--after their kind--and every winged fowl after his kind. OK__so living creatures that move after their kind and winged fowl after his kind---what's the difference to you--just means they reproduce only after their own species--a whale can't give birth to a pigeon. I do not see prehistoric people mentioned.

Aman777 said:
Amen, since ONLY God is Immortal and the ONLY way to become immortal is to be in Christ Spiritually and the ONLY way to be in Christ, is to be born again by the AGREEMENT of the Trinity. Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16

The only way to become immortal is for God to change our mortal bodies, into immortal ones which will not happen until the last trumpet when we are raised from the dead. Those living at the time of Christ's return will be changed without dying.
We are born again spiritually whenever we accept Christ.

(1Co 15:51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(1Co 15:52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(1Co 15:53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Joh 3:6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(Joh 3:7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
(Joh 3:8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

(1Co 15:42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
(1Co 15:43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
(1Co 15:44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
(1Co 15:45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
(1Co 15:47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Aman777 said:
Adam was a living soul/being and NOT a Spiritual being until AFTER Eve was made Gen 2:22 on the present 6th Day. Notice that Adam AND Eve were born again Spiritually at the SAME time. Gen 5:1-2 and Gen 1:27

Can you just please tell me where in the bible does it say that Adam was made spiritually. The word is not mentioned in Gen until Gen 6 and only in reference to God.

(Gen 6:3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Being born again is not mentioned in the bible until John, by Jesus

(Joh 3:3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

joshua 1 9 · Dec 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
Really? How do you know that the food on Adam's Earth was the same as we eat today. Can you support your beliefs Scripturally. I don't think so.

Of course I can support what I say, with the Bible and with science. Science has put a huge amount of research into how farming and civilization spread from the Middle East to the rest of the word, esp Europe. Some of the food we eat comes from China, like rice. Most of our diet comes from the Middle East. Things like Wheat, Barley, Olives, grapes, and all the rest of the food we read about in the Bible.

joshua 1 9 · Dec 31, 2015

mmksparbud said:
OK----let's try this again----where in the bible is there mentioned a prehistoric peoples??

There was Adam and Eve and they had two children. Cain and Able.
then Cain killed Able so there were three. Cain was told his punishment and his response was: " I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” (Gen 4) Just who was on the earth that would kill Cain?

mmksparbud · Dec 31, 2015

Are you kidding me----Cain and Able were the male children recorded---which is the usuall thing in that culture, females were rarely mentioned. And usually only the firstborn was worthy of mention. Today, there are many women who have had over 20 children during their short child bearing years---I met one little lady who had 22 of them. Let's just say from 15-45--talk about barefoot and pregnant. This little lady was around 80 and looked strong enough to have a few more! ( I asked her if she didn't know what was causing it--she blushed 20 shades of red and said, "Yes, we knew, but what can you do--no TV!!" I nearly fell of my chair. )There is no record of how old Eve was when she had her last child---but she more than likely lived about as long as Adam--several hundred years and Lord knows how many children she had. People balk at the thought of thy married their sisters, but there were no diseases to pass on, no restrictions on that yet. Even Abraham was married to his half sister. How young the girls started spitting them out, I don't know. But by the time Cain came along there could have been quite a boatload. Just some of the children are mentioned. Cain and Able being the important ones and Cain being the first male, Able being probably the 2nd male. It doesn't say how old Cain was when he killed his brother.Be fruitful and multiply was obeyed with a vengeance. One couple could have brought a town into the world!! Good weather, plenty of food, good genes and good health,the earth though cursed, was still very fertile compared to post flood and certainly compared with today. Good grief, by the time Adam and Eve were grandparents they were probably elbowing each other for room!!

-57 · Dec 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
Then please explain why God said "Let US make man in OUR Image after OUR likeness". God is ONE and has but ONE Image and His name is Jesus, for Jesus IS the ONE Image of the invisible Spirit of God. Col 1:15

Are you denying the trinity?

-57 · Dec 31, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
There was Adam and Eve and they had two children. Cain and Able.
then Cain killed Able so there were three. Cain was told his punishment and his response was: " I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.” (Gen 4) Just who was on the earth that would kill Cain?

His brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces

-57 · Dec 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
False, as Brother Lester Roloff would tell you. He's in heaven now but while on Earth he was an Independent Baptist known Nationwide. Amen?

Sorry. Never heard of him.

Aman777 · Dec 31, 2015

*** OK----let's try this again----where in the bible is there mentioned a prehistoric peoples?? What people is this when there is no mention of anyone other than Adam and Eve. When did they become a living soul--where are they mentioned--Gen 1 nor Gen 2 talks about them.

OK. With your understanding please explain the following:

Gen 6:1 ¶ And it came to pass, when men (Heb-Adam) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men (Heb-Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Who are the sons of God? Where did they come from? Cain married one of these people since there were NO other Humans for him to marry? Where did Cain's wife come from? ALSO, Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) to marry after the Ark arrived on Planet Earth. Who did they marry EXCEPT the prehistoric people whose bones are found on our Earth for Millions of years prior to the arrival of the Ark, some 11k years ago as the following empirical historic evidence clearly shows? http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

*** What are you talking about His and their kinds?
(Gen 1:21) And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their (Trinity) kind, and every winged fowl after his (Jesus) kind: and God saw that it was good.

God, the Trinity, made the winged fowl after His kind, or the kind which Jesus made Gen 2:19 with His Own Hands from the ground and Adam named them. Adam is ALSO His (Jesus) kind since he was also made by Jesus (Lord God).

*** That says every living creature--after their kind--and every winged fowl after his kind. OK__so living creatures that move after their kind and winged fowl after his kind---what's the difference to you--just means they reproduce only after their own species--a whale can't give birth to a pigeon. I do not see prehistoric people mentioned.

See above. God calls them the sons of God because they were Innocent and NOT subject to God's Law. In the New Testament, Christians are called the sons of God because they are innocent since Jesus gave His life so that Humans would be considered innocent of violating God's Law.
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Amen, since ONLY God is Immortal and the ONLY way to become immortal is to be in Christ Spiritually and the ONLY way to be in Christ, is to be born again by the AGREEMENT of the Trinity. Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16

*** The only way to become immortal is for God to change our mortal bodies, into immortal ones which will not happen until the last trumpet when we are raised from the dead. Those living at the time of Christ's return will be changed without dying.
We are born again spiritually whenever we accept Christ.

Amen. Christians are born Eternally when we are born again BUT we will NOT receive our perfect bodies until the Rapture. IOW, I am alive forevermore NOW and I will NEVER die according to Jesus, since He said: Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

I believe Jesus. How bout you?

*** (1Co 15:51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (1Co 15:52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1Co 15:53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

(Joh 3:5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Joh 3:6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(Joh 3:7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
(Joh 3:8) The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

(1Co 15:42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
(1Co 15:43) It is sown in dishonour; (bodies of flesh) it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
(1Co 15:44) It is sown a natural (flesh) body; it is raised a spiritual (immortal) body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
(1Co 15:45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; (being) the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
(1Co 15:47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Amen, but you left out verse 46, which shows that verse 47 is NOT speaking of Jesus (Lord) since Jesus was NOT first made naturally. Verse 47 is speaking of Adam, who was first made a living SOUL. Gen 2:7 and l Cor 15:46 below:

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

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Adam was a living soul/being and NOT a Spiritual being until AFTER Eve was made Gen 2:22 on the present 6th Day. Notice that Adam AND Eve were born again Spiritually at the SAME time. Gen 5:1-2 and Gen 1:27

***Can you just please tell me where in the bible does it say that Adam was made spiritually. The word is not mentioned in Gen until Gen 6 and only in reference to God.

Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2 show that Adam, made the 3rd Day Gen 2:7 was "created in God's Image" when Eve were also created in God's Image, which is Spiritually in Christ. BOTH were created spiritually and eternally at the SAME time and Eve was NOT made until the 6th Day. Gen 2:22

(Gen 6:3) And the LORD (Jesus) said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, (Heb-Adam/mankind) for that he also is flesh: (AFTER the fall) yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

IOW, Humans lost almost 90% of our lifespans AFTER we were mixed with the sons of God (prehistoric people). Humans still live to a maximum of 120 years instead of the 900 years we lived on Adam's Earth.

*** Being born again is not mentioned in the bible until John, by Jesus

(Joh 3:3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Amen. Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" which is in Christ since Jesus IS the Image of the invisible God. Col 1:15

Are you beginning to see that the ancient traditional story of the Creation does NOT agree with what is actually written? In order to understand you MUST study. 2Ti 2:15

Aman777 · Dec 31, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
Of course I can support what I say, with the Bible and with science. Science has put a huge amount of research into how farming and civilization spread from the Middle East to the rest of the word, esp Europe. Some of the food we eat comes from China, like rice. Most of our diet comes from the Middle East. Things like Wheat, Barley, Olives, grapes, and all the rest of the food we read about in the Bible.

Here is a Map of WHERE the first Human farming took place on our Planet. Notice the Big Lake between Mt Ararat and the middle of the Fertile Crescent. It's Lake Van, Turkey in the mountains of Ararat. Noah walked down into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on our Earth. It's empirical historic evidence of the arrival of the FIRST Humans (descendants of Adam) on our Earth. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

Aman777 · Dec 31, 2015

-57 said:
Are you denying the trinity?

No. Jesus is the Image of the invisible God and He IS the One God, BUT He told us of the Father and the Spirit, and I believe Him.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.

Aman777 · Dec 31, 2015

-57 said:
His brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces

Since God is the SAME yesterday, today, and forever, He would NEVER tell us to marry our close relatives, since that would produce mental and physical defects in Humanity. Gen 6:1-4 shows that Adam's daughters married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric people). Some claim that they married Angels, but this is REFUTED many times in Scripture. Amen?

Aman777 · Dec 31, 2015

-57 said:
Sorry. Never heard of him.

Google Lester Roloff. Here is a good one and you can hear him sing. http://www.roloff.org/

He is the finest Human Being I have ever known and I can hardly wait to see him again in Heaven.

-57 · Dec 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
Since God is the SAME yesterday, today, and forever, He would NEVER tell us to marry our close relatives, since that would produce mental and physical defects in Humanity. Gen 6:1-4 shows that Adam's daughters married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric people). Some claim that they married Angels, but this is REFUTED many times in Scripture. Amen?

Adam and Eve..as well as their children would have had near perfect DNA. This would have caused no "mental and physical defects in Humanity". As time went on and mankinds DNA began to accumulate problems...God instituted the law.

Concerning the "prehistoric people" There are 3 ways to interpret this verse. Your view isn't one of the 3. Some see the verse this way:
1Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,2that the sons of God (Seths progeny ) saw that the daughters of men (Cains progeny) were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose....

Others see the sons of Gods as angels.
The 3rd view is the verse references Lamech and Gen 4:19.

-57 · Dec 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
Google Lester Roloff. Here is a good one and you can hear him sing. http://www.roloff.org/

He is the finest Human Being I have ever known and I can hardly wait to see him again in Heaven.

I've looked...I can't find where he supports your bad theology.

joshua 1 9 · Dec 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
Here is a Map of WHERE the first Human farming took place on our Planet. Notice the Big Lake between Mt Ararat and the middle of the Fertile Crescent. It's Lake Van, Turkey in the mountains of Ararat. Noah walked down into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on our Earth. It's empirical historic evidence of the arrival of the FIRST Humans (descendants of Adam) on our Earth. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

I have not done much research on Lake Van. We know for sure that there are cites in that area going back at least 5,000 years.

Aman777 · Dec 31, 2015

-57 said:
Adam and Eve..as well as their children would have had near perfect DNA. This would have caused no "mental and physical defects in Humanity". As time went on and mankinds DNA began to accumulate problems...God instituted the law.

Concerning the "prehistoric people" There are 3 ways to interpret this verse. Your view isn't one of the 3. Some see the verse this way:
1Now it came about, when men (Heb-Adam) began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them (God called THEIR name Adam Gen 5:1-2) ,2that the sons of God (Seths progeny) saw that the daughters of men (Heb-Adam) (Cains progeny) were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose....

Others see the sons of Gods as angels.
The 3rd view is the verse references Lamech and Gen 4:19.

Since Seth and Cain were BOTH Adam's and Eve's children, you are REFUTED Scripturally. ALSO, Lamech in Gen 4:19, was a descendant of Cain and IS NOT listed in the genealogy to Jesus, since NONE of Cain's descendants survived are. It's getting embarrassing to point out your flawed views. Please try to do better. Amen?

Aman777 · Dec 31, 2015

-57 said:
I've looked...I can't find where he supports your bad theology.

I have NEVER said that Lester supported my view of the Creation, since he died in 1982 before I began studying Genesis. I answered your false accusation where you accused me of NOT being a Baptist. Since Lester Roloff led me to the Lord and he was an Independent Baptist, what do you suppose that I am?

Aman777 · Dec 31, 2015

joshua 1 9 said:
I have not done much research on Lake Van. We know for sure that there are cites in that area going back at least 5,000 years.

Lake Van is 75 miles wide and some 1500 feet deep, which gives us an idea of how big Adam's small firmament was. As the firmament sank in Lake Van, it released the Ark into the Biggest Lake in Turkey, and which also is in the mountains of Ararat.

According to the Map the oldest cities in the area, are some 11k years old. (9000 BC). Amen?

-57 · Dec 31, 2015

Aman777 said:
Since Seth and Cain were BOTH Adam's and Eve's children, you are REFUTED Scripturally. ALSO, Lamech in Gen 4:19, was a descendant of Cain and IS NOT listed in the genealogy to Jesus, since NONE of Cain's descendants survived are. It's getting embarrassing to point out your flawed views. Please try to do better. Amen?

Considering your "prehistoric people" are not found in the bible...you've been refuted.
What did I do? I presented 3 interpretations of this verse and pointed out your interpretation isn't even considered.

Hang it up Aman777. Amen?

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