Adam slept

[InSpiritInTruth]

In Genesis 2:21 we read;"And the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;"

And we know by scripture that through this period of deep sleep, and through the rib of man the woman Eve was brought forth.

What I found interesting in this was the similitude between Adam the first born man, Israel the firstborn son(Exodus 4:22), or nation of God.

In Isaiah 29:10 the Lord told Israel;"For the Lord has poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers he has covered."

This same sign was also fulfilled in Israel in order to make way for salvation to come to the Gentiles.

Romans 11:8-12

King James Version (KJV)


8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

I believe this sleep and slumber period for Israel was shown in Adam from the very beginning as a sign given in the firstborn son Israel.

This deep sleep and slumber means that Israel, during the times of the Gentiles would have their minds darkened from understanding the Word of God. But.....

This time of blindness is forecast to end when the fulness of the Gentiles comes in.

Romans 11:25;"For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

I thought that was pretty cool how the Lord shows these things in similitudes, even from the very beginning.

 

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Ok now this is kool bro Now I was catching Christ in the similitude of Adam, though not after the similitude of his transgression. Or rather as one (first Adam) was disobedient unto death (tree) Christ was obedient unto the same (being nailed to one)

So I was wondering, can you catch Jesus Christ in this on this wise wise somehow?

Genesis 2:18And the Lord God said, it is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him and help meet.
You can see Christ, in this too

John 12:24 Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if **it die**, it bringeth forth much fruit.


Gen 2:20... but for Adam there was not found an help meet **for him**.

The apostles said "we are helpers" of your joy


Gen 2: 21 And the Lord God caused **a deep sleep** to fall upon Adam, and he slept;
　
John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was **dead already**

　
John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear **pierced his side**, and forthwith came there out **blood and water**.

and he took one of his ribs (parts from his side) and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
　
Ephes 5:32 This is **a great mystery**: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Ephes 5:23 Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

John 6:44 No man can **come to me**, except the Father which hath sent me **draw him**
　
Gen.. and God **brought her** unto the man.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
　
Ephes 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.


Might not fit as well the way I am working it out in my mind, but given the above, the similitude of Adams trangression and yet Hm being the similitude (even still) of Him who was to come. First man of the earth, second man Lord from heaven, the ground will bring forth unto you thorns (Jesus wearing a crown of thorns). Sweat of Adams brow, and sweating great drops of blood from his.

They seem to correlate in their opposites, though I think I lack putting them together some. But speaks of making out of the two one new man, one body given one Spirit to drink and the same thing can be shown somewhat after Abel (where then) men began to call upon the name of the Lord after the patern of his blood was shed.

Dont know, feeling around really, but good post brother

God bless you

 

[Fireinfolding]

Better yet bro, can it be better shown as salvation is OUT of the Jews that way (there)? A certain PART or that thing you were showing under the rib?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Fire we know the first man Adam represents the first nature in man, which is earthly, flesh, and carnally minded.

But the first spiritual Adam is the Lord from heaven, as the scriptures show.

So it is like on one side of the cross you have the fleshy man, and then on the other side of the cross we see the resurrected man which is spiritual.

But as far as Jesus goes, we are shown him as coming through the woman,(spiritual seed) and not the man.(fleshy seed)

John 16:21
A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

Revelation 12:13
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

In the beginning God showed the enmity between the 2 different seeds, one is flesh, and the other is Spirit.

Serpent seed= flesh
Womans seed=Spirit

Eve is the sign of the mother of the living, just as God said he was a God of the Living, not of the dead.

The seed of promise is the promise of the Father, which is his Holy Spirit.

This is shown in the sign of the free woman, and the flesh is shown in the sign of the bondwoman(flesh.)

Just as the heavenly Jerusalem is free(Spirit) and is known as the Mother of us all.

But the earthly Jerusalem(bondwoman) is flesh, and is still in bondage with her children.

So with that in mind, if you go back to Revelation 12:13 you will see that this woman(spiritual seed) that fled from the dragon(fleshy seed) was those who were of the spiritual woman, or those born from the Jerusalem from above.

We know this by going to verse 17 which says the dragon(fleshy seed) was wroth with the woman(spiritual seed), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

At least, that is the way I see it.

 

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I know exactly what your pointing out, I agree too because of what can be drawn from Golgotha alone (the place of the skull) or to be "carnally minded is death" but to be spiritually minded is "life and peace" (what he come to give us in Himself).

I believe you can find various pictures of Christ in them. Sorta like peeling an onion, for example the similitude of the seed of the woman if you step over a chapter that pictures emmerges there between Cain and Abel (firstborn of the flesh) second Abel (slain) and the flesh is not counted (and Seth is appointed) Even here after the blood of Abel (dead ye speaketh) though Christ cries better words then his words its like a picture over a picture (and men began to call on the name of the Lord) then. Which is cool because I always see it bearing witness to Jesus Christ. Abel slain and Seth in his stead as the apostles were appointed in Christ's stead. Or Just as after Abel is slain Eve was given another, as his Mother (while on the cross shedding his blood) said Woman "behold thy son" (as he is being taken) another is left there and to His disciple "behold thy Mother" (picture of adoption as sons there). Even more then that actually, I mean you go from the outward physical pictures and find tons, then to the inward spiritual picture, one proving Jesus Christ from both.

But yeah I can catch them in various ways, not seeing any of them contradict, even the apostles speak of the first man (earthly) we bear the image of and likewise we shall bear the image of the heavenly, even though Adam was a similitude of him to come. And the mystery of the church the two becoming one flesh as well, which is Christ in you.

For instance speaks of our old man (crucified with him)

Romans 6:6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
　
Made of a woman under the law...

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
　
And yet the brusing of Satan under "your feet"

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly

All are used, for example, like when he tells about the mystery of Christ and the church (and your like hey! Its about that) he adds NEVERTHELESS each of you love your wives, like dont get too heavenly minded that your no earthly good Im thinking

But its kool as anything to write and rewrite these things in the many ways they can be shown, Im all over that as I know you are, theres nothing more fun to do that extract the things sitting back there and see Jesus Christ being prophesied of and the picture immerging, its too kool


God bless you brother

(Im so sorry I was getting used to talking from myself)

I have to hit a switch again or something! lol)

 

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Heres one I was looking at, but I just play this way where something could possibly be comparable taking it inwardly ofcourse. But its fun, and I'm always like which was is more correct? Then another one will blow my mind and another but they all seem to work.



Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Psalm 139:33 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

Gen 3:4-5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Duet 13:3-4 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise,

Ephes 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;

Gen 3:6... she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

Job 31:33 If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom

Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD Godwalking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Isaiah 47 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame **shall be seen**: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Psalm 139:33 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

Jerm 2:19 Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

You can keep going with the wording in various ways it seems, I have not found an end to them to be honest with you.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Heres one I was looking at, but I just play this way where something could possibly be comparable taking it inwardly ofcourse. But its fun, and I'm always like which was is more correct? Then another one will blow my mind and another but they all seem to work.



Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Psalm 139:33 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

Gen 3:4-5 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Duet 13:3-4 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise,

Ephes 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;

Gen 3:6... she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

Job 31:33 If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom

Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD Godwalking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Isaiah 47 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame **shall be seen**: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Psalm 139:33 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

Jerm 2:19 Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

You can keep going with the wording in various ways it seems, I have not found an end to them to be honest with you.

Yes good insights. The Lord most always shows us things first in a natural way to be a reflection on the much greater spiritual things. Much like the layers of the onion you compared these revelations to, they are also like doors being opened up, leading to other doorways, and so on, and so on.

It is like the Bible is one big parable that can only be discerned by way of the Holy Spirit, pretty cool.

 

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Yes good insights. The Lord most always shows us things first in a natural way to be a reflection on the much greater spiritual things. Much like the layers of the onion you compared these revelations to, they are also like doors being opened up, leading to other doorways, and so on, and so on.

It is like the Bible is one big parable that can only be discerned by way of the Holy Spirit, pretty cool.

Yeah exactly bro, I like how you put it with doors being uponed up leading to other doorways and so on, I find its just like that, Im hearing ya

You find these similiarities you cant deny are there (obviously) and are being "taught" to compare "spiritual things with spiritual" but your not yet perfect in your handling of these things, at least I know I am not. I'll get tripped on a word, and but somehweres else will clarify it. For example, when it speaks of the seed of the woman and the bruising of Satan, talks about the seed being the word of God, and at the same time Christ in you, which makes sense that the God of peace will bruise Satan under your feet. But then when reading the carnal mind (as emnity) against God, when putting that situation into a comparitive context it might raise a question till you catch it somewheres else (first).

Yeah they are always changing and expanding, still feeling about with them myself but it never ever gets old. Good practice I think. As long at folks realize your just seeking to compare that way, because in more of an intellectual or scientific setting it sure wouldnt go over well

Keep posting anything else, just for the fun of it, love to see them myself. I was looking at another with similiar wording in them. I'll post that one, see how many ways we can catch a picture of (any kind) or spiritual truth. But forgive my imperfect way of handling these I do my best till more comes to me.

He is always faithful that way and ends up blessing your socks off at some point in time, thats worth the wait for sure


God bless you brother

 

[Fireinfolding]

Heres some similiarities in a few of these verses this way too



Gen 3:14 the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

2Cr 10:4 ( For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds )

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

.... it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions (1 Cr 3:3 ) and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly.

Sounds familiar to the same here.... upon thy belly shalt thou go

Just a little I wanted to further search out

Try this way

God said one thing to Eve and the serpent said something to the contrary to God (thou art an "offense" to me) notice how this is worded?

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly.

Then here...

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Now here...

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

2Cr 10:4 ( For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds )

2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

.... it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Its like you can keep going according to how it is worded somehow but to always catch it rightly or order it perfectly isnt mine yet.

Still working on it though

 

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These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Adam never woke up ...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Heres some similiarities in a few of these verses this way too



Gen 3:14 the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field;upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

2Cr 10:4 ( For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds )

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

.... it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions (1 Cr 3:3 ) and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly.

Sounds familiar to the same here.... upon thy belly shalt thou go

Just a little I wanted to further search out

Try this way

God said one thing to Eve and the serpent said something to the contrary to God (thou art an "offense" to me) notice how this is worded?

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly.

Then here...

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Now here...

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

2Cr 10:4 ( For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds )

2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

.... it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Its like you can keep going according to how it is worded somehow but to always catch it rightly or order it perfectly isnt mine yet.

Still working on it though

I thought you did a great job making those spiritual connections. That is how you rightly divide the things shown to us in scripture in a natural way to be a reflection of its true spiritual image.

It is like black(natural) and white(spiritual.) Which is the same comparison as the children of the dark and the children of the Light.

Those who are of the flesh, are those who are of a carnal mind, and see things only by natural sight, and as such are made blind by reason of darkness, and are the children of the night.

But the children of promise are born of the Spirit, and see things through the mind of the Spirit, which is spiritual insight not based on appearances, but in righteousness. These are the children of the light, and of the day.

There are natural forces visible, and then there are spiritual forces invisible.

Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,


Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The carnal mind can only see the visible things, but the spiritual mind can see both the visible, and the invisible things of God.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I thought you did a great job making those spiritual connections. That is how you rightly divide the things shown to us in scripture in a natural way to be a reflection of its true spiritual image.

It is like black(natural) and white(spiritual.) Which is the same comparison as the children of the dark and the children of the Light.

Those who are of the flesh, are those who are of a carnal mind, and see things only by natural sight, and as such are made blind by reason of darkness, and are the children of the night.

But the children of promise are born of the Spirit, and see things through the mind of the Spirit, which is spiritual insight not based on appearances, but in righteousness. These are the children of the light, and of the day.

There are natural forces visible, and then there are spiritual forces invisible.

Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,


Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The carnal mind can only see the visible things, but the spiritual mind can see both the visible, and the invisible things of God.

Thats what I was missing in the equation, thanks bro! I was thinking, ok, I know Adam was a man of the earth (this is sorta how I was working it out)... and Christ (on one the one hand) abolishes the enmity per Ephes 2:15 (that way)and yet God said I he would put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and hers. Just as the carnal mind is enmity (which is great hatred toward God) or the the seed (even mind of Christ) this must come into play with the enmity (but in the reverse). Gees, did I put that right? Because I know it speaking in accord with these but I am missing "bringing that" into the equation. Because Adam is first as was Ishmael first, but the "enmity is put" and the other enmity "is abolished" see how I am stuck between the placement of the enmities?

Im like which is which here? So my comparing is off.

That stumped me there, I still cant word it, in one he abolishes the enmity where it speaks of the law and commandments contained in the ordinances making of twain one new man (in himself). On the other hand the carnal mind is enmity. And speaks of "the bruising of the head" (by the God of peace) under "your feet", yet at the same time the same principal lives on, as Paul points out, he that was born after the flesh persecutes the one born of the Spirit (that great hatred, or enmity) still lives on. Then ofcourse theres the national (lack of a better word) aspect of being made "enemies of the gospel" and for your sake.

I really need to look closer how better to compare this. One is placed the other is abolished, you can catch it inwardly (and of a prophecy of a people too). If I am wording this right.

I mean, we were "enemies" in (our minds) he puts "his enemies" under "his feet" but the God of peace bruises Satan "under "your feet". The last enemy is death, and yet to be "carnally minded" is death. The opposite is to be "spiritually minded" (which is life) and peace. We have peace with God by Christ (as He is) our peace.

But how to better order it knowing the two trees in the garden are a figure of what worked death in them (a similitude of the law) so death reigning (until Christ) where grace reigns (a figure which can be seen in Noah) but it seems to show the same truth in a twofold type of figure as the enmity. The first covenant, and that put off from them (the new covenant) or "that we might feel after him" (verses) "lest they reach out their hand"? Not sure...Im all tangled up

If I just run it through (according to one truth) it will work and then the other (it will still work) but if I try to pull both out at the same time I get all tangled up lol

Would it work to to say the enmity is the mind of Christ? I would not use that because it says to be carnally minded is enmity against God but considering the mind of Christ (the seed of the woman) would be that "in between" (in what looks like two ways). Christ in you (or as given the mind of Christ) which bruises Satan beneathe your feet, and yet also a distinguishing factor of persecution between two seeds (even peoples) even as the one born after the flesh and him born after the Spirit. That way too.

One day I will wrap my tiny brain around it, this is what you get labouring in the doctrine in comparing and rightly dividing the word of truth huh? lol

Thanks bro, good post you jumped started me there, much appreciated

God bless you SpiritinTruth

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The first Adam is of the earth, and is carnally minded.

But the second Adam is from heaven, and is spiritually minded.

The first fleshy nature in man cannot recieve the new spiritual covenant because he still desires the old, which is flesh.

Neither can he recieve that spiritual understanding, because he being of the earth is also flesh.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John the Baptist said;"He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all. And what he has seen and heard, that he testifies; and no man recieves his testimony."

Why does no man recieve his testimony? Because it is spiritually discerned.

Man is of the earth, and is flesh.

The Lord is from heaven, and is Spirit.

Jesus by his earthly body took the flesh of the law and nailed it to the cross, but raised it up in a new and living way by the Spirit of God.

It is no longer written on tablets of natural stone, but it is now written on the tablets of our heart and mind by way of His Spirit.

That is why I said on one side of the cross you have the flesh, but on the other side of the cross you have the Spirit, by the resurrection from the dead.

That is why we, who were once servants of the flesh, and slaves to sin; must put to death the deeds of the flesh.

Just as we are baptized into Jesus' death, we are also raised up again by His Spirit and made a new creature in Christ

The old man is of the earth, and is flesh(carnally minded.)

But the new man is from heaven, and is Spirit, which is Christ in us.(spiritually minded.)

 

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The first Adam is of the earth, and is carnally minded.

But the second Adam is from heaven, and is spiritually minded.

The first fleshy nature in man cannot recieve the new spiritual covenant because he still desires the old, which is flesh.

Neither can he recieve that spiritual understanding, because he being of the earth is also flesh.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

John the Baptist said;"He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all. And what he has seen and heard, that he testifies; and no man recieves his testimony."

Why does no man recieve his testimony? Because it is spiritually discerned.

Man is of the earth, and is flesh.

The Lord is from heaven, and is Spirit.

Jesus by his earthly body took the flesh of the law and nailed it to the cross, but raised it up in a new and living way by the Spirit of God.

It is no longer written on tablets of natural stone, but it is now written on the tablets of our heart and mind by way of His Spirit.

That is why I said on one side of the cross you have the flesh, but on the other side of the cross you have the Spirit, by the resurrection from the dead.

That is why we, who were once servants of the flesh, and slaves to sin; must put to death the deeds of the flesh.

Just as we are baptized into Jesus' death, we are also raised up again by His Spirit and made a new creature in Christ

The old man is of the earth, and is flesh(carnally minded.)

But the new man is from heaven, and is Spirit, which is Christ in us.(spiritually minded.)

Yes I can see before the cross and after, good post SpiritInTruth

Heres some for confirmation of yours I was looking at as well.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

If we have been planted...

Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

We shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection...

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

That henceforth we should not serve sin...

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

1Peter 1:4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Suffering in the flesh hath ceased from sin...

1Peter 4:10 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

Phil 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Phil 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

I like how he puts this... "not as though" he "were already" perfect (although he is in Phil 3:15)

Phil 3:10 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

And "not counting himself" ...

Phil 3:12 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Phil 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Here it is...(but he is speaking to the perfect) but includes himself. He sets forth how he counts himself so they would be minded the same (as he). As not counting themselves otherwise and if they feel differently God shall reveal it to thm

Phil 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Phil 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Phil 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

Then says...


Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Yet adds back here...


Phil 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, [that they are] the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Gal 1:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Romans 5:11 God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Thats a high call alright bro


God bless you, great thread too

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes I can see before the cross and after, good post SpiritInTruth

Heres some for confirmation of yours I was looking at as well.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

If we have been planted...

Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

We shall also be in the likeness of his resurrection...

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

That henceforth we should not serve sin...

Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

1Peter 1:4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Suffering in the flesh hath ceased from sin...

1Peter 4:10 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

Phil 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

Phil 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

I like how he puts this... "not as though" he "were already" perfect (although he is in Phil 3:15)

Phil 3:10 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

And "not counting himself" ...

Phil 3:12 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Phil 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Here it is...(but he is speaking to the perfect) but includes himself. He sets forth how he counts himself so they would be minded the same (as he). As not counting themselves otherwise and if they feel differently God shall reveal it to thm

Phil 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Phil 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Phil 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

Then says...


Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Yet adds back here...


Phil 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, [that they are] the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Gal 1:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Romans 5:11 God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Thats a high call alright bro


God bless you, great thread too

That's just one of the many things I like about you girl friend, you don't just accept, or dismiss someones point of view; but rather you search it out, and prove it by the Word of God.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Well done!

 

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That's just one of the many things I like about you girl friend, you don't just accept, or dismiss someones point of view; but rather you search it out, and prove it by the Word of God.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Well done!

Thanks bro, I could say the very same about you

Any more good stuff back there spring it on me, ya hear?

God bless you brother!

 

[mercy1061]

The fall of Adam

For we know it was not good for the man to be alone, so the Lord caused the man to fall into a deep sleep. When a man is in a deep sleep, normally he is dreaming of something....

While Adam was dreaming he met Eve......

In Adam's dream, Eve ate from the forbidden tree, and he also ate from it; so they both died......

The tree of life that gives eternal life also grew in the middle of the garden of eden....

Adam was put in the garden to take care of the garden; like a gardner who pluck up the weeds out of his flower garden. If the weeds are not plucked out of the ground and thrown away into the fire to be burned, those weeds will choke the flowers that the good gardner planted.....

Adam was sleeping and dreaming on the job, and as a result that wicked tree continued to grow in the middle of the garden.

In Adam's dream, a talking serpent convinced Eve to eat from that wicked tree that Adam would not cut down......

 

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Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Acts 20:9-10

King James Version (KJV)


9And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead. 10And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.

 

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Lamb, tastey, indeed ...