Adam RULES over Eve

[tonychanyt]

Three different Hebrew words in Genesis referred to the concept of ruling over.

ESV Genesis 1:

16 God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule [H4475] the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars.

to rule
לְמֶמְשֶׁ֣לֶת (lə·mem·še·leṯ)
Preposition-l | Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's 4475: Rule, a realm, a ruler

The greater light was the H4475-ruler of the day.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to rule [H4910] over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.

to preside over
וְלִמְשֹׁל֙ (wə·lim·šōl)
Conjunctive waw, Preposition-l | Verb - Qal - Infinitive construct
Strong's 4910: To rule, have dominion, reign

The sun, moon, and stars H4910-ruled over the day and over the night.

Two chapters later, God pronounced judgements in Genesis 3:

16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule [H4910] over you.

{will} rule
יִמְשָׁל־ (yim·šāl-)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 4910: To rule, have dominion, reign

over you.”
בָּֽךְ׃ (bāḵ)
Preposition | second person feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew no number

Is the preposition 'over' implicit in the original Hebrew?

The preposition is explicit in Hebrew as a prefix to the noun.

Brown-Driver-Briggs H4910:

1. human subject, rule, have dominion over
2. of heavenly bodies
3. of God

H4910 was used in connection with God, the sun, the moon, stars, and humans. They all H4910-ruled over their respective realms in their specific contexts.

According to Genesis 3:16, what is the role of males?

Ge 3 did not prescribe a role for the husband. It recorded God's judgment on Eve.

Is it saying that women are designed to be in leadership and God gave men leadership as a punishment to women?

No.

Are all of the verses after this one about the roles of men and women built on this one as an example?

No.

Genesis 1:

26 God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule [H7287] over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

to rule
וְיִרְדּוּ֩ (wə·yir·dū)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive imperfect - third person masculine plural
Strong's 7287: To tread down, subjugate, to crumble off

over the fish
בִדְגַ֨ת (ḇiḏ·ḡaṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's 1710: A fish

1. The sun, moon, and stars H4910-ruled over the day and night.
2. Adam H4910-ruled over Eve.
3. Mankind H7287-subjugated animals.

The text showed distinct types of ruling relationships using specific Hebrew terms in their contexts. I would not try to build a doctrine of gender roles from any single verse.

 

[timewerx]

Did you also consult the New Testament / New Covenant for your hermeneutics?

Because Jesus is supposed to lift the curse of Adam and Eve's sin.

Quite different dynamics at play in the New Testament.

 

[Yarddog]

Three different Hebrew words in Genesis referred to the concept of ruling over.

ESV Genesis 1:


to rule
לְמֶמְשֶׁ֣לֶת (lə·mem·še·leṯ)
Preposition-l | Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's 4475: Rule, a realm, a ruler

The greater light was the H4475-ruler of the day.


to preside over
וְלִמְשֹׁל֙ (wə·lim·šōl)
Conjunctive waw, Preposition-l | Verb - Qal - Infinitive construct
Strong's 4910: To rule, have dominion, reign

The sun, moon, and stars H4910-ruled over the day and over the night.

Two chapters later, God pronounced judgements in Genesis 3:


{will} rule
יִמְשָׁל־ (yim·šāl-)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 4910: To rule, have dominion, reign

over you.”
בָּֽךְ׃ (bāḵ)
Preposition | second person feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew no number

Is the preposition 'over' implicit in the original Hebrew?

The preposition is explicit in Hebrew as a prefix to the noun.

Brown-Driver-Briggs H4910:

1. human subject, rule, have dominion over
2. of heavenly bodies
3. of God

H4910 was used in connection with God, the sun, the moon, stars, and humans. They all H4910-ruled over their respective realms in their specific contexts.

According to Genesis 3:16, what is the role of males?

Ge 3 did not prescribe a role for the husband. It recorded God's judgment on Eve.

Is it saying that women are designed to be in leadership and God gave men leadership as a punishment to women?

No.

Are all of the verses after this one about the roles of men and women built on this one as an example?

No.

Genesis 1:


to rule
וְיִרְדּוּ֩ (wə·yir·dū)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive imperfect - third person masculine plural
Strong's 7287: To tread down, subjugate, to crumble off

over the fish
בִדְגַ֨ת (ḇiḏ·ḡaṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's 1710: A fish

1. The sun, moon, and stars H4910-ruled over the day and night.
2. Adam H4910-ruled over Eve.
3. Mankind H7287-subjugated animals.

The text showed distinct types of ruling relationships using specific Hebrew terms in their contexts. I would not try to build a doctrine of gender roles from any single verse.

Personally, I believe that the greater light (sun) is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The lesser light (moon) is the Hebrew scriptures.
The Light is Jesus Christ.

The moon ruled over the night or darkness, is the world without Jesus.
Matthew 4 : 15
The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, Toward the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles,
Matthew 4 : 16
The people that sat in darkness Saw a great light, And to them that sat in the region and shadow of death, To them did light spring up.

The stars are the great people of faith in the OT. (Abraham, Abel, Noah, Isaac, Joseph, etc...

The moon does not produce it's own light but reflects the light from the sun. There was light in the OT but not fully revealed until Jesus revealed himself in the scriptures to the Apostles

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

Did you also consult the New Testament / New Covenant for your hermeneutics?

Because Jesus is supposed to lift the curse of Adam and Eve's sin.

Quite different dynamics at play in the New Testament.

The curse was that the 'normal course of events' became difficult.

Under creation order/sinless conditions a woman was still supposed to give birth; but under sin it became painful. A man was still supposed to work, but under sin it became hard and sweaty.

Similarly creation order still meant a husband was in charge of his wife, but under sin this became full of strife.

Paul in NT times refers to this creation order as an argument for Patriarchy (1 Corinthians 11:8-9, 1 Timothy 2:12-13). Patriarchy is not the curse, the strife in it is.

 

[Diamond72]

Because Jesus is supposed to lift the curse of Adam and Eve's sin.

What people do not realize is that Jesus sets the example for us. The man, the husband is to sacrifice himself for his bride. Just as Jesus was willing to go to Calvery and die for us. We are to die to self and the man is to be the spiritual leader in the family. It is his job to pray and intercede for the family but far to often men leave that up to the women to do for them.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Three different Hebrew words in Genesis referred to the concept of ruling over.

ESV Genesis 1:


to rule
לְמֶמְשֶׁ֣לֶת (lə·mem·še·leṯ)
Preposition-l | Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's 4475: Rule, a realm, a ruler

The greater light was the H4475-ruler of the day.


to preside over
וְלִמְשֹׁל֙ (wə·lim·šōl)
Conjunctive waw, Preposition-l | Verb - Qal - Infinitive construct
Strong's 4910: To rule, have dominion, reign

The sun, moon, and stars H4910-ruled over the day and over the night.

Two chapters later, God pronounced judgements in Genesis 3:


{will} rule
יִמְשָׁל־ (yim·šāl-)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 4910: To rule, have dominion, reign

over you.”
בָּֽךְ׃ (bāḵ)
Preposition | second person feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew no number

Is the preposition 'over' implicit in the original Hebrew?

The preposition is explicit in Hebrew as a prefix to the noun.

Brown-Driver-Briggs H4910:

1. human subject, rule, have dominion over
2. of heavenly bodies
3. of God

H4910 was used in connection with God, the sun, the moon, stars, and humans. They all H4910-ruled over their respective realms in their specific contexts.

According to Genesis 3:16, what is the role of males?

Ge 3 did not prescribe a role for the husband. It recorded God's judgment on Eve.

Is it saying that women are designed to be in leadership and God gave men leadership as a punishment to women?

No.

Are all of the verses after this one about the roles of men and women built on this one as an example?

No.

Genesis 1:


to rule
וְיִרְדּוּ֩ (wə·yir·dū)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Conjunctive imperfect - third person masculine plural
Strong's 7287: To tread down, subjugate, to crumble off

over the fish
בִדְגַ֨ת (ḇiḏ·ḡaṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's 1710: A fish

1. The sun, moon, and stars H4910-ruled over the day and night.
2. Adam H4910-ruled over Eve.
3. Mankind H7287-subjugated animals.

The text showed distinct types of ruling relationships using specific Hebrew terms in their contexts. I would not try to build a doctrine of gender roles from any single verse.

A similar use of hierarchy, perhaps, may be seen within the Trinity, where the Son and Spirit, are not subjugated, but are subject to, another.