Adam n Eve

[Gwenyfur]

Can we ever truly sympathize with Adam? Poor fella his wife standing there handing him fruit...he loves her...and yet...he knows what it will cost to eat that fruit...

and he eats anyway....

So why do we blame Eve??? Obviously Adam wasn't deceived...

 

[GraceInHim]

Can we ever truly sympathize with Adam? Poor fella his wife standing there handing him fruit...he loves her...and yet...he knows what it will cost to eat that fruit...

and he eats anyway....

So why do we blame Eve??? Obviously Adam wasn't deceived...

it was both... shows how men treasure thier wives and how we can ask them for anything.. and get our way

 

[Rut]

I think the Bible blame Adam more then Eve

1 Timothy 2:

13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner

So here for me it`s said that Eve was deceived and Adem should know better.He could said no.he should trust on God that God could give him another women.Adem was older then Eve so he had more knowledge about God too.

This are my thoughts

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

It is Adams stain that we speak of... but Eve is also spoken of as the weaker of the two, and Adam is held responsable.

Forgive me....

 

[Heinrich]

Bad Adam

 

[revduane]

Can we ever truly sympathize with Adam? Poor fella his wife standing there handing him fruit...he loves her...and yet...he knows what it will cost to eat that fruit...

and he eats anyway....

So why do we blame Eve??? Obviously Adam wasn't deceived...

The trouble with it all was Eve was alone. (Wherever 2 or more are gathered)

Second of all, Eve was used to Adams voice, and God's voice, and we all know as Christians, that it takes time to know God's voice. So here is Satan, very subltle, very seductive, and totally unknown to Eve. I mean why would God teach them about Satan, then they would have had knowledge of good and evil, by being told, not by free-will disobedience.

Then God told them not to eat of the fruit, for in that day, they shall surely die. So paraphrasing, Satan made God look unreasonable, and then he basically asked Eve what did God say? That is when she told him, that God said not to eat it, or touch it. Well God never said to not touch it, so eve lied, made God seem unreasonable, and Satan Had her.

It was Adams job to instruct Eve on the tree, and God's Word, buuuuuttttt we all know what happened there. It was Eve that blew it, but it was Adam that was to blame, because he knew better than Eve.

Blessings. Rev. Duane

 

[Jig]

I'm guessing this is why Adam and Eve are not listed on the "Honor Roll" of OT characters. (Hebrews 11)

It's possible Adam was standing next to Eve when the serpent was talking to her. I believe the serpent spoke to Eve and not Adam, because it knew she would be the weaker of the two. Adam just observed the whole conversation.

Gen 3

(NASB)6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

(NIV) 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

 

[Gwenyfur]

I'm guessing this is why Adam and Eve are not listed on the "Honor Roll" of OT characters. (Hebrews 11)

It's possible Adam was standing next to Eve when the serpent was talking to her. I believe the serpent spoke to Eve and not Adam, because it knew she would be the weaker of the two. Adam just observed the whole conversation.

Gen 3

(NASB)6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

(NIV) 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

It's phrased the same way in the KJV and NKJV as well...

I think it's highly possible that he was standing there...and passively waiting to see what she would do....

which is why man is cursed to rule over us "gotta control everything" women

child birth vs ruling....I'll take childbirth anytime...y'all really did get the headache

oh wiat....I'm not supposed to admit that....

drat I just broke law 102 section 4 of the women's secret handbook!!!


Read it quick guys while ya can!!!

 

[Jig]

It's phrased the same way in the KJV and NKJV as well...

I think it's highly possible that he was standing there...and passively waiting to see what she would do....

which is why man is cursed to rule over us "gotta control everything" women

child birth vs ruling....I'll take childbirth anytime...y'all really did get the headache

oh wiat....I'm not supposed to admit that....

drat I just broke law 102 section 4 of the women's secret handbook!!!


Read it quick guys while ya can!!!

Funny stuff!

 

[kopilo]

It's phrased the same way in the KJV and NKJV as well...

I think it's highly possible that he was standing there...and passively waiting to see what she would do....

which is why man is cursed to rule over us "gotta control everything" women

child birth vs ruling....I'll take childbirth anytime...y'all really did get the headache

oh wiat....I'm not supposed to admit that....

drat I just broke law 102 section 4 of the women's secret handbook!!!


Read it quick guys while ya can!!!

Well according to page 405, section F, some forms of headaches can be cured by sex as well.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Well according to page 405, section F, some forms of headaches can be cured by sex as well.

ROFL!!!!!!

 

[kopilo]

ROFL!!!!!!

hehehehe I have some back up if you want to read as well: http://www.askmen.com/love/drzimmer/18_love_answers.html

I should really should stop snooping that book. LOL
Although that is off the topic of this thread.
*hands back thread*

 

[Jig]

hehehehe I have some back up if you want to read as well: http://www.askmen.com/love/drzimmer/18_love_answers.html

Although that is off the topic of this thread.
*hands back thread*

The hormone oxytocin (a nine amino acid peptide that is synthesized in hypothalamic neurons and transported down axons of the posterior pituitary for secretion into blood) secretes within your body whenever you engage in sexual activity.
Because of this secretion, endorphins (hormone-like chemicals that bear a close functional resemblance to morphine) are released.

Throw that "Not tonight honey, I got a headache" excuse out the window.

 

[Gwenyfur]

The hormone oxytocin (a nine amino acid peptide that is synthesized in hypothalamic neurons and transported down axons of the posterior pituitary for secretion into blood) secretes within your body whenever you engage in sexual activity.
Because of this secretion, endorphins (hormone-like chemicals that bear a close functional resemblance to morphine) are released.

Throw that "Not tonight honey, I got a headache" excuse out the window.

y'all are just keeping me laughing!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mutzrein]

Can we ever truly sympathize with Adam? Poor fella his wife standing there handing him fruit...he loves her...and yet...he knows what it will cost to eat that fruit...

and he eats anyway....

So why do we blame Eve??? Obviously Adam wasn't deceived...

Paraphrasing a little: And God said to Adam, "Why did you eat the fruit I told you not to eat?" And Adam said, "It was that woman that you gave me - she gave it to me to eat." So God said to Eve, "What have you done?" And Eve answered, "the serpent tricked me into eating it." So God said to the serpent, "Why did you deceive Eve?" And the serpent didn't have a leg to stand on!"

 

[Gwenyfur]

Paraphrasing a little: And God said to Adam, "Why did you eat the fruit I told you not to eat?" And Adam said, "It was that woman that you gave me - she gave it to me to eat." So God said to Eve, "What have you done?" And Eve answered, "the serpent tricked me into eating it." So God said to the serpent, "Why did you deceive Eve?" And the serpent didn't have a leg to stand on!"

true...true....and funny !!!!!!!!!

 

[JimfromOhio]

At least I know this. Adam and Eve didn't have belly buttons and all of the offsprings have belly buttons.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

At least I know this. Adam and Eve didn't have belly buttons and all of the offsprings have belly buttons.

Gosh, I think thats Orthodox..... let me check.

Bellybuttons as a result of the fall....

Scripture Please?

Forgive me.....

 

[GenemZ]

it was both... shows how men treasure thier wives and how we can ask them for anything.. and get our way

Interesting aspect in how God made the male and female souls to be different.

Eve had added to the Word of God.

Genesis 3:2-3 (New American Standard Bible)
"The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"

Why was that? God never commanded not to touch. Only, not to eat! She would not die if she only touched the fruit.

And? Why was she already standing right before the tree when the Serpent tempted her?

The reason she said "not to touch" was because the famous female curiousity had been getting the best of her. Form what was speoken, it appears there were times in the past when she would explore that tree and wonder about why it was prohibited. Satan observed this. It was the reason for his strategy and tactic.

She apparently had at times in the past reached out to touch the fruit, and Adam seeing this, must have then added not to touch! Eve confused Adam with God's command after a time, and saw the original command as both having orginated through God. God never commanded not to touch the fruit.

So, the downfall of man had its staging area manifested with the female's inclination for that special kind of curiousity many women possess (which is also a very good (refreshing) thing in life, when it submits to righteousness).

The reason the Serpent went after the woman was because the woman was drawn out of her curiousity to explore what was prohibited. Adam was not at the tree when the fall took place. She brought the fruit to him.

If Adam refused? The offspring of the two would have been yet sinless. For it was through Adam (even though he sinned last) that sin entered the world. He was held accountable for the sin. Not the woman who lived in a special naivete of innocence that a man would not. It was by God's design. For the male is designed to be an initiator. The female, to respond (helpmate).

The reason God could use Mary to produce the sinless body for Jesus? Sin did not enter the world through the woman! It was through Adam! Through the male! The second one to become a sinner. Not, the first!

Romans 5:12 niv
"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned."

When Adam introduced the sin nature to the world. All the world was condemned to be born withn a sin nature. Therefore, when Adam sinned? We were all doomed to be sinners. All sinned when Adam sinned. For when he sinned, he took on the fallen nature to be passed down to all.

Yet! Mary's ovum was not the carrier for the sin nature. (No woman's ovum's, for that matter!) The male's sperm is the source of the sin nature's transference! "sin entered the world through one man"

It was not through the woman!

That is why Jesus could be born of a woman, function totally as a man. Yet, because he had no human father (just like Adam had no human father), Jesus was to be free of having a sin nature. He was a lamb "without spot or blemish." He was to be the perfect sacrificial lamb of God to take away the sins of the world!

Jesus was born, as Adam had been created. Perfect and without sin.

If Adam never ate?

The offspring of Eve would have been sinless. The Messiah could have come right away.

But, that was not God's plan!

God had too much to teach the naive angels about evil through fallen man's example. God had to teach them why evil must be destroyed. Once the fall of man took place and men became all sinners; God could then begin to teach the angels why it was that Satan and his angels had to be condemned forever. Show them that good and evil can not co-exist forever, if the good is to be free and secure as God always intended for the righteous to live.

Got to get ready for work.......

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[Jig]

Adam was not at the tree when the fall took place. She brought the fruit to him.

Gen 3:6
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

He had to be pretty close by, if not right next to her, for him to be considered 'with' her.

Though I see how this would mess up your whole story on how it was Adam who installed the "do not touch" aspect of thinking into her mind. If that was true he couldn't have been by her, he would have stopped her from eating the fruit. This is why I think you may be taking this story too far. Adam was with her and saw her eat the fruit. He was probably curious too.

Maybe he was using her as a test subject...to see if she would die before eating it himself. I'm just joking.