Adam n Eve

[alwayselearning]

Can we ever truly sympathize with Adam? Poor fella his wife standing there handing him fruit...he loves her...and yet...he knows what it will cost to eat that fruit...

and he eats anyway....

So why do we blame Eve??? Obviously Adam wasn't deceived...

Actually the blame is on Adam. Its through the sin of Adam as to why we have to die.

I forgot the verse buts its something like.... ( paraphrasing)


We have to die because of the 1st adam.
Its only by the second Adam, ( Christ ) That we can live through righteousness. ( again paraphrasing )


So it is Adam that we are to blame, its because of his sin as to why we have to die.

Thank God that he sent his son.

 

[linssue55]

Can we ever truly sympathize with Adam? Poor fella his wife standing there handing him fruit...he loves her...and yet...he knows what it will cost to eat that fruit...

and he eats anyway....

So why do we blame Eve??? Obviously Adam wasn't deceived...

He knew. He took it of his own free will. He didn't want Eve to "have one over him". He was in the transgression, she was decieved by the sweet talk of satan. Free wil.....it's a B.

 

[GenemZ]

Gen 3:6
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it

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It would seem odd that the Serpent would only direct the conversation to only one, if two were in his presence and Adam said nothing. It may be true, as you think. Yet, it may have happened that Adam heard a conversation and walked over to see what was happening. But, on the other hand, if he did not hear for himself what the Serpent said? Most likely, he would have not so readily taken the fruit and eaten.

He had to be pretty close by, if not right next to her, for him to be considered 'with' her.

No argument. I believe I stand corrected. Adam had to be there.

Yet, about "not touching?" I believe she said those words for the reasons I gave. For God gave no such command to not touch. Apparently, this had been an ongoing thing. The curiousity was growing, and they were becoming more and more comfortable with the situation.

Though I see how this would mess up your whole story on how it was Adam who installed the "do not touch" aspect of thinking into her mind. If that was true he couldn't have been by her, he would have stopped her from eating the fruit.

Not if they were both getting bored with the same old thing over and over again every day. They may have craved something new and better. Yet, they could have always asked the Lord for that, as well. Rather than try and solve the problem their own way.

This is why I think you may be taking this story too far. Adam was with her and saw her eat the fruit. He was probably curious too.

True.

Maybe he was using her as a test subject...to see if she would die before eating it himself. I'm just joking.

That's really no joke. For "death" was a foreign concept to unfallen Adam and the woman. He probably wondered what it could mean.

When he could not detect (by sight) the death she experienced (spiritual death) he assumed possibly that nothing would happen to him. This death caused an internal change. Afterwards they could see evil that they could not before. They remained alive physically.

We are now all born sinners because of Adam's sin. As a result, we are all born spiritually dead. That is why we need to be "born again." First birth is of the flesh. Second birth is of the Spirit. Adam and Eve died in the day they did eat. It was an invisible death. Spiritual death.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[Jig]

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It would seem odd that the Serpent would only direct the conversation to only one, if two were in his presence and Adam said nothing. It may be true, as you think. Yet, it may have happened that Adam heard a conversation and walked over to see what was happening. But, on the other hand, if he did not hear for himself what the Serpent said? Most likely, he would have not so readily taken the fruit and eaten.

Perhaps Adam did miss the coversation. That part is not clear. He was there when she ate from the tree though.

Yet, about "not touching?" I believe she said those words for the reasons I gave. For God gave no such command to not touch. Apparently, this had been an ongoing thing. The curiousity was growing, and they were becoming more and more comfortable with the situation.

It's not that I completely disagree with you, but it's more that I see no evidence that points that way. Your assumption may be true, but to me, it seems an unlikely happening. Let me show you an example of how your opinion can be flipped. It may have been Eve that told Adam not to touch.

Not if they were both getting bored with the same old thing over and over again every day. They may have craved something new and better. Yet, they could have always asked the Lord for that, as well. Rather than try and solve the problem their own way.

Bored? I highly doubt being in God's pessence on a daily basis and living in a perfect world, with no sin debt of corruption lingering around, life could get boring. This is how it will be in Heaven to some degree. It's hard to assume Adam or Eve had any real desire for something better or new since they didn't know anything could be better or new. God provided everything they needed, it was the serpent that most likely introduced the concept of God being anything but perfect.

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That's really no joke. For "death" was a foreign concept to unfallen Adam and the woman. He probably wondered what it could mean.

When he could not detect (by sight) the death she experienced (spiritual death) he assumed possibly that nothing would happen to him. This death caused an internal change. Afterwards they could see evil that they could not before. They remained alive physically.

We are now all born sinners because of Adam's sin. As a result, we are all born spiritually dead. That is why we need to be "born again." First birth is of the flesh. Second birth is of the Spirit. Adam and Eve died in the day they did eat. It was an invisible death. Spiritual death.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

It is interesting to think about isn't it.

Also, another thing thats interesting it that Eve ate first and Adam second.

6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

But it is only after Adam ate that their eyes were opened.

7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

This makes me think the effects of eating the fruit were not instantly felt. Kind of like a time released pill.

 

[HeatherJay]

So what was the sin that brought about the fall? Was it Eve eating the fruit that God had told her not to? Was it Adam not stopping her from eating the fruit? Was it Eve tempting her husband to join her in her disobedience? Was it Adam eating the forbidden fruit that Eve offered?

OR was it that they tried to hide their sin from God? Was it that Eve blamed the serpent for her sin instead of confessing and repenting? Was it that Adam not only blamed Eve for his sin, but then went so far as to blame God ("...the woman that You gave me...") instead of confessing and repenting?

It seems to me that there were a multitude of sins that led to the fall of man...and never once did Adam or Eve asked to be forgiven. They offered excuses, not repentence.

So, in a nutshell, my own romanticized belief is that God would have forgiven them, had they only asked...but they didn't. It wasn't Eve's sin that got them kicked out...and it wasn't Adam's either, I don't believe. It was a combination of the myriad of sins committed and the failure to ask God's forgiveness for their disobedience. Do you doubt that God would have granted it had they only asked? At least that's MY opinion.

 

[GenemZ]

God would have forgiven them, had they only asked...but they didn't.

Apparently, they admitted to themselves (ay least) that they had sinned against God. And, he did forgive them. For BLOOD WAS SHED in order to provide them those animal skins they were to wear.

It wasn't Eve's sin that got them kicked out...and it wasn't Adam's either, I don't believe. It was a combination of the myriad of sins committed and the failure to ask God's forgiveness for their disobedience. Do you doubt that God would have granted it had they only asked? At least that's MY opinion.

They did not know how to ask for forgiveness. Forgiveness is only in the vocabulary of sinners. Up until then they were not sinners.

Yet, if we acknowledge (name/confess) our own sins to God? He is just and and faithful, and will ALWAYS forgive our sins we acknowledged to him.

Yet, it never says to ask for forgiveness. It says simply to confess our sins to God. The result will automatically be forgiveness on God's part.

1 John 1:9 niv
"If we confess ( Homologeo ) our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

Note: The Greek word Homologeo meant to 'state one's case' as in a courtroom setting. There was no emotion required in the action of this Greek word. How you feel about your sin is NOT the issue in forgiveness. If you feel bad, or matter of fact about it, is not an issue.

In this dispensation, you are your own priest. When you realize you have sinned, you simply name that sin to God the Father in prayer and state which sin(s) you committed. He is consistent. He ALWAYS forgives that sin and purifies you from ALL unrighteousness and you are back in the Filling of the Holy Spirit.

We only need to name our known sins. For, it says if we do, he will purify us from all unrighteousness (the unknown sins, as well).

Now, if you want to ask for forgiveness? That's up to you. God is faithful. He only requires that we acknowledge our sin(s) to him. The forgiveness will be automatic because God is faithful. He never changes. God is Holy. The Integrity of God never changes. He says name it. Then I will forgive it.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

 

[GenemZ]

Bored? I highly doubt being in God's pessence on a daily basis and living in a perfect world, with no sin debt of corruption lingering around, life could get boring. This is how it will be in Heaven to some degree. It's hard to assume Adam or Eve had any real desire for something better or new since they didn't know anything could be better or new. God provided everything they needed, it was the serpent that most likely introduced the concept of God being anything but perfect.

Boredom with the status quo is what led to the sin of Lucifer and his angels. They saw heaven itself, and the Lord as well! This boredom struck them BEFORE they fell. It led to their evil doing.

Boredom will happen in God's plan. Boredom is the state in between transformations. Its the time of being kept in a spiritual cocoon ordained by God. Those who get bored, break out by following after evil. What comes out is neither their old self, nor a proper expression of Christ.

Ever see a caterpillar come out of its cocoon prematurely? I have. Its sickening to see. And, what comes out dies soon afterwards. For it can no longer live as it once had as a caterpillar, nor can its bulky body fly with the immature wings it has.

In Christ, GeneZ

 

[NeoGRizzly]

he knew what he was doing. the devil knew our weekness food and women , and used it against us. he put his girl in front of his God. he blained God for giving him Eve. and likewise she blained the snake. but now I think about it she ate it first so she had the knowage of GOOd and evil in her so when she gave adam the fruit she knew evil, sin, the bad. so that means adam was tempted by Eve.

 

[HolyGuardianAngels]

Can we ever truly sympathize with Adam? Poor fella his wife standing there handing him fruit...he loves her...and yet...he knows what it will cost to eat that fruit...

and he eats anyway....

So why do we blame Eve??? Obviously Adam wasn't deceived...

ONE DAY... I'm hoping and praying Heterosexual Males will LEARN ABOUT & UNDERSTAND the Heterosexual Female... but, for now there's: Eve , Jezebel , Delilah and others ...

 

[Jig]

Boredom with the status quo is what led to the sin of Lucifer and his angels. They saw heaven itself, and the Lord as well! This boredom struck them BEFORE they fell. It led to their evil doing.

Boredom will happen in God's plan. Boredom is the state in between transformations. Its the time of being kept in a spiritual cocoon ordained by God. Those who get bored, break out by following after evil. What comes out is neither their old self, nor a proper expression of Christ.

Ever see a caterpillar come out of its cocoon prematurely? I have. Its sickening to see. And, what comes out dies soon afterwards. For it can no longer live as it once had as a caterpillar, nor can its bulky body fly with the immature wings it has.

In Christ, GeneZ

I'm looking at my Bible. I see no where the mention of 'boredom' for the cause of Satan to become prideful. Where did you get this?

 

[HolyGuardianAngels]

Can we ever truly sympathize with Adam? Poor fella his wife standing there handing him fruit...he loves her...and yet...he knows what it will cost to eat that fruit...

and he eats anyway....

So why do we blame Eve??? Obviously Adam wasn't deceived...

Women play a major role in life and in marriage... We must bring good and not evil to men ... Please consider the following:

Proverbs 31: 10-22 NAB
The Ideal Wife

When one finds a worthy wife, her value is far beyond pearls. Her HUSBAND entrusting his heart to her, has an unfailing prize. She brings him good, and not evil, ALL the days of her life. She OBTAINS wool and flax and MAKES cloth with skillful hands. Like merchant ships, she SECURES her provisions from afar. She RISES while it is still night, and distributes food to her household. She PICKS out a field to purchase; out of her earning she plants a vineyard. She is GIRT about with strength, and sturdy are her arms.

She ENJOYS the success of her dealings; at night her lamp is undimmed. She puts her hands to the distaff, and her fingers ply the spindle. She REACHES out her hands to the poor, and extends her arms to the needy. She fears NOT the snow for her household, all her charges are doubly clothed. She MAKES her own coverlets; fine linen and purple are her clothing. . .

continued in the next post.

 

[HolyGuardianAngels]

continued from post #31:

The Ideal Wife

Her HUSBAND is prominent at the city gates as he sits with the elders of the land. She MAKES garments and sells them, and stocks the merchants with belts. She is clothed with strength and dignity, and she laughs at the days to come. She opens her mouth in wisdom, and on her tongue is kindly counsel. She watches the conduct of her household, and she eats not her food in idleness. Her CHILDREN rise up and praise her; her husband, too, EXTOLS her. "Many are the women of proven worth, but you have excelled them all." Charm is DECEPTIVE and beauty fleeting; the WOMAN who FEARS the LORD is to be praised. Give her a reward of her labors, and let her WORKS praise her at the city gates.

Proverbs 31: 23-31 NAB

 

[Amb1]

Can we ever truly sympathize with Adam? Poor fella his wife standing there handing him fruit...he loves her...and yet...he knows what it will cost to eat that fruit...

and he eats anyway....

So why do we blame Eve??? Obviously Adam wasn't deceived...

It was not fruit at all. It was lies from satan, which he told Eve and she believed.

 

[shinbits]

it was both... shows how men treasure thier wives and how we can ask them for anything.. and get our way

hey......

don't take advantage of that.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I find this confusing:

GEN 5:2 Male and female He created them; and blessed them and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

If male and female are called Adam , then who`s really being refered to when it says Adam sinned? Both?

 

[JimfromOhio]

I find this confusing:

GEN 5:2 Male and female He created them; and blessed them and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

If male and female are called Adam , then who`s really being refered to when it says Adam sinned? Both?

God created Adam, the Hebrew, 'adam meaning man, it means that God created a race rather than an individual.

 

[Jig]

I find this confusing:

GEN 5:2 Male and female He created them; and blessed them and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

If male and female are called Adam , then who`s really being refered to when it says Adam sinned? Both?

We know Eve was not named 'Adam'. The 'Adam' used in that passage means just 'Man'.

NASB Gen 5:2:
2He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created.

Wikipedia says: Adam - translates literally as red earth. In the ancient cultures of the fertile crescent, people were thought to have been created from the earth itself, and so the term red earth was used to refer to mankind generally.