Adam & Eve

[Hespera]

The Biblical account is holding its own even with scientists:

Scientific discoveries have always arrived on the shoulders of a minority opinion at first. Evidently as does becoming children of God.

A scientific is made by one person, or a small team! Its news of the tautological to say that its a minority. (not minority OPINION tho)

The discovery is looked at carefully and if it holds up to that scrutiny then it will be accepted as data or theory. Unless someone falsifies it later. The claim a few years ago about developing cold fusion didnt stand up to scrutiny.

I guess I could not say if that is like becoming a child of god,coz I dont know what that is. If there is a god then we are all already his children, so it seems to me.

As for the bible holding its own. Sure not all that it says is incompatible with science. Fire is hot, for example.

Much of what it says is incompatible with actual observation of what is really here. No 4 legged insects. No way that all lypes of living things existed at the same time. No way there could have been a world wide flood. Tower of babel is not an explanation for lnaguages. The earth is a lot older than 6000 years. So no, sorry, the bible does not hold its own there. No evidence, no data whatever to confirm those are true, plenty to show they are not.

It does hold its own with some.. not all... of the advice and wisdom offered.

 

[dad]

Don't you find it strange that only religious people think that? some names of places past and present are undoubtedly true but as for people???? is there any chance that you could give a few links to something other than a belief that it's true? because sadly I am unable to find any.

Science can find little. Don't blame me. If we have records of people that lived long ago, in a book where people were killed for speaking falsely, I believe them. No reason not to. If you have evidence they are all false show it. You don't. You just want to dismiss anything science can't reach with it's pipsqueak hands. Not a great way to learn.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Science can find little. Don't blame me. If we have records of people that lived long ago, in a book where people were killed for speaking falsely, I believe them.

Do you know of such a place?

 

[dad]

Do you know of such a place?

Jesus will Personally toss the false prophet into the lake of fire.

Not enough? How about this puppy?

Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

 

[uke2se]

Jesus will Personally toss the false prophet into the lake of fire.

Better watch out then, Dad.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Jesus will Personally toss the false prophet into the lake of fire.

Not enough? How about this puppy?

Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Lot of empty pie-in-the-sky promises. Know anywhere where they were actually carried out?

 

[dad]

Better watch out then, Dad.

For what? I am saved. No worries. Bringing out how the bible prophesies stuff is OK. Relax.

 

[dad]

Lot of empty pie-in-the-sky promises. Know anywhere where they were actually carried out?

I would hardly call a warning and sentence of death for a certain crime in ancient Israel an idle threat. Stoning was real.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I would hardly call a warning and sentence of death for a certain crime in ancient Israel an idle threat. Stoning was real.

Indeed -- real enough for such crimes as heretics, rape victims, and people who gathered wood on Saturday. Know any case where it was actually carried out for being a "false" prophet?

 

[dad]

Indeed -- real enough for such crimes as heretics, rape victims, and people who gathered wood on Saturday. Know any case where it was actually carried out for being a "false" prophet?

No. It seems the bible focuses on the good guys and good prophets. But the law was there if anyone mouthed off in God's name.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No. It seems the bible focuses on the good guys and good prophets. But the law was there if anyone mouthed off in God's name.

"The Law was there" means nothing unless it's actually enforced.

Did you know:

In California it's illegal to shoot an animal from a moving vehicle, unless the animal is a whale?

In Kansas it's illegal to catch fish with bare hands?

In Minnesota it's illegal to sleep in the nude?

In New Jersey it's illegal to slurp soup?

In West Virginia, bestiality is legal as long as the animal weighs less than 40 poinds?



Although, in all fairness, I do know one guy the Jews had executed for being a false prophet -- do you?

 

[dad]

"The Law was there" means nothing unless it's actually enforced.
...

The command was there for false prophets to be killed, as I proved. The bible prophets often had local prophesies that proved they were from God. Asking for instances of where false prophets were dealt with is a non issue. You don't know. But the bible was clear for good reason on that important issue. Balam was almost killed by an angel, the ass warned him, remember? The false prophet of the end is dealt with more harshly than death, by Jesus Personally.

Indeed the fact that it was written that false prophets were to be killed lends credence to the real prophets that made it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The command was there for false prophets to be killed, as I proved.

commands are nothing but empty rhetoric unless they're actually carried out.

Surely you of all people understand e,pty rhetoric?

The bible prophets often had local prophesies that proved they were from God.

"Local" as in they there made in one part of the Bible and "fulfilled" in a later chapter.

That's called foreshadowing, not prophecy.

? The false prophet of the end is dealt with more harshly than death, by Jesus Personally.

Interestingly enough, Jesus is the one person we know the Jews executed as a false prophet. Ironic, ain't it?

Indeed the fact that it was written that false prophets were to be killed lends credence to the real prophets that made it.

Indeed the fact that in New Jersey it's illegal to slurp soup lends no credence whatsoever to the soup-slurpers that made it.

Try enforcing a law once in a while, Mr. Enjay.

 

[AV1611VET]

Interestingly enough, Jesus is the one person we know the Jews executed as a false prophet.

Er ... no.

59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.

 

[Gracchus]

Interestingly enough, Jesus is the one person we know the Jews executed as a false prophet. Ironic, ain't it?

Er ... no.

"59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days." --- Matthew 25:59-61

No? The verses quoted seem to support the assertion that Nathan Poe made. At least, they don't contradict it.

You've pwned yourself again, AV1611VET. To bad you didn't start this thread. You can't close it.

 

[The Lady Kate]

No? The verses quoted seem to support the assertion that Nathan Poe made. At least, they don't contradict it.

Yes... The Jews arrested Jesus, tried him, convicted him, and executed him for being a false prophet... of course, we now have the benefit of Biblical hindsight to see that Jesus was innocent, but I think the point that Nathan Poe was making is that the law was enforced.

 

[AV1611VET]

No? The verses quoted seem to support the assertion that Nathan Poe made. At least, they don't contradict it.

You've pwned yourself again, AV1611VET. To bad you didn't start this thread. You can't close it.

Seem to support ≠ pwned.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes... The Jews arrested Jesus, tried him, convicted him, and executed him for being a false prophet...

The Romans executed Him.

... of course, we now have the benefit of Biblical hindsight to see that Jesus was innocent, but I think the point that Nathan Poe was making is that the law was enforced.

Here is Nathan's quote:

Interestingly enough, Jesus is the one person we know the Jews executed as a false prophet. Ironic, ain't it?

I think the point he is making is that, since no one was ever mentioned as being executed as a false prophet, false prophecies in Jesus' time were a dime-a-dozen.

 

[Gracchus]

Yes... The Jews arrested Jesus, tried him, convicted him, and executed him for being a false prophet... of course, we now have the benefit of Biblical hindsight to see that Jesus was innocent, but I think the point that Nathan Poe was making is that the law was enforced.

Had he been convicted under Jewish law he would have been stoned.

Whatever the Jews thought, he was convicted under Roman law, by a Roman judge, and put to death by Romans, in a Roman manner.

And if he was claiming to be King of the Jews, he was probably guilty, according to Roman law, of insurrection. That was the charge, after all, indicated by the placard attached to his cross. (Mark 15:26)

 

[The Lady Kate]

The Romans executed Him.

a nitpicking argument at best... The Pharasees would've done it themselves had they not been occupied.

And it wasn't a Roman mob crying "crucify him!" was it?

Here is Nathan's quote:I think the point he is making is that, since no one was ever mentioned as being executed as a false prophet, false prophecies in Jesus' time were a dime-a-dozen.

Well, that's more or less a given, isn't it? If the Jewish faith and tradition up to that point was based on the belief in a coming Messiah, then trying to pass oneself off as that messiah must've been a common enough scam.

We've had bizarre cults led by wackos with messianic delusions as far back as anyone cares to record... why would the Jews have been any different?