Adam and Eve

[Cabal]

They were probably created with food in their stomachs too.

In my opinion all your ramblings to support evolution are bluster and bravado.

You know what, you have utterly convinced me. Your ad hominem has completely disproved evolution and proved creationism.

All hail our Omphalos God.

 

[Tiberius]

Did y-Adam and mtDNA Eve have belly buttons?

y-Adam is the most recent single male to whom all living humans are related. Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent single female to whom all living humans are related.

As they were born from beings the same species as them, and given that they were placental mammals and also given that placental mammals have belly buttons, then the answer is yes, y-Adam and mitochondrial Eve did have belly buttons.

Does this answer your question, AV?

Now I have a question of my own. What point are you trying to make with this thread?

 

[AV1611VET]

Now I have a question of my own. What point are you trying to make with this thread?

Evolution is Omphalos, in that the first man and woman would have belly buttons.

Whereas the Adam and Eve of the Bible would not, and that fact would be a testimony to their progeny.

 

[Cabal]

Evolution is Omphalos, in that the first man and woman would have belly buttons.

Whereas the Adam and Eve of the Bible would not, and that fact would be a testimony to their progeny.

Ok.

So why would everything else have 13 Gyr of age embedded up the wazoo?

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok.

So why would everything else have 13 Gyr of age embedded up the wazoo?

I don't know.

My guess would be for anthropomorphic reasons.

I do think God embedded large oil reserves in the earth (plus who knows what all else) for use in the Millennial Kingdom.

Just a hypothesis.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Evolution is Omphalos, in that the first man and woman would have belly buttons.

Whereas the Adam and Eve of the Bible would not, and that fact would be a testimony to their progeny.

And yet they still screwed it up about nine or ten gernations into it. Sheesh, so much for testimony.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I don't know.

My guess would be for anthropomorphic reasons.

I do think God embedded large oil reserves in the earth (plus who knows what all else) for use in the Millennial Kingdom.

Just a hypothesis.

Anthropic AV, the word is anthropic.

 

[AV1611VET]

Anthropic AV, the word is anthropic.

Oops!

That's twice I've been corrected on that.

Thanks!

 

[Cabal]

I don't know.

My guess would be for anthropomorphic reasons.

I do think God embedded large oil reserves in the earth (plus who knows what all else) for use in the Millennial Kingdom.

Just a hypothesis.

Think you've said as such before - but that wasn't quite what I was asking. I was wondering why embed age in everything except Adam and Eve?

I'm curious because I was under the impression that you thought embedded age applied to them (in the sense that they were created mature adults, it still did, so why all the fuss over navels getting an exception?).

 

[AV1611VET]

Think you've said as such before - but that wasn't quite what I was asking. I was wondering why embed age in everything except Adam and Eve?

I'm curious because I was under the impression that you thought embedded age applied to them (in the sense that they were created mature adults, it still did, so why all the fuss over navels getting an exception?).

Picture yourself being born to parents in a far-off town, being told that your great[sub]n[/sub] grandfather, who is now 700 years old, was created directly by God, Himself; and that the world used to be a lot different then.

Perhaps you're a little skeptical --- perhaps not.

But then, meeting him for the first time would erase that skepticism --- would it not?

 

[Tiberius]

Evolution is Omphalos, in that the first man and woman would have belly buttons.

Whereas the Adam and Eve of the Bible would not, and that fact would be a testimony to their progeny.

How do you know that the Biblical Adam and Eve wouldn't have belly buttons as part of this "embedded age" stuff you keep talking about?

 

[Wedjat]

How do you know that the Biblical Adam and Eve wouldn't have belly buttons as part of this "embedded age" stuff you keep talking about?

oooh, trippy.

 

[sfs]

y-Adam is the most recent single male to whom all living humans are related. Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent single female to whom all living humans are related.

No, y-Adam is the most recent male from whom all living males descend by male descent only. mt-Eve is the most recent common ancestor by purely female descent.

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you know that the Biblical Adam and Eve wouldn't have belly buttons as part of this "embedded age" stuff you keep talking about?

embedded age ≠ scars

 

[Freodin]

How do you know that the Biblical Adam and Eve wouldn't have belly buttons as part of this "embedded age" stuff you keep talking about?

embedded age ≠ scars

The belly-button-question goes down to the heart of the matter of "creationism". The underlying though is about the basic definition of things. What is "human"? What does a tree need to be a tree?

Most creationists - even those who claim that everything was different - like to define these things as they know them now. The two humans that God created could walk by you on the street and you wouldn´t know the difference.

And that is the problem: In the here and now, things are what they are because of the way they came to be. Every single human alive is the way it is, because it was born and grew up.

So there is this difference, and creationists attach this difference to the most obvious part: the belly button - the true sign of birth.

If they now, in their crusade of "difference", would accept that this leaves them no way of establishing the "true human" (biologically), they would at least be consistent. But this they cannot bear. In the fundamentalist view "human" means "like me". Acclerated evolution and different physical laws and the fall and whatever can account for almost any occurance in earth´s history, but don´t apply to the crown of creation.

So Adam and Eve didn´t have a belly button? Fine! But then perhaps they also walked on all fours and had tails.

 

[Tiberius]

No, y-Adam is the most recent male from whom all living males descend by male descent only. mt-Eve is the most recent common ancestor by purely female descent.

You are correct, thanks for the clarification.

embedded age ≠ scars

How do you know embedded age does not include scars?

 

[godsmission]

Every time a creationist pastor preaches he contradicts himself, for every thing he says the congragation could say 'but if that happened this couldn't happen', but they don't, they just nod and lap it all up.

 

[AV1611VET]

So Adam and Eve didn´t have a belly button? Fine! But then perhaps they also walked on all fours and had tails.

Nope.

Remember Solomon? The man who had apes imported?

For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

Remember his conclusion?

Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Notice also, the reference to evolution being an 'invention' --- not a 'discovery'?

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you know embedded age does not include scars?

What does age have to do with scarring?

 

[AV1611VET]

... but they don't, they just nod and lap it all up.

Like you guys did Pluto?