Adam and Eve

[marktheblake]

If a unicorn came up to you and said that you could have the entire universe OR you could have the blessing that will be bestowed by the Invisible Pink unicorn (BBHHH), which would you choose?

Can i answer instead?

If the unicorns 's appearance and subsequent death and resurrection was the fulfillment of thousand year old prophecies I would probably be prepared to trust whatever he has to say

Otherwise, No, I wouldnt trust what he said, because unicorns are not known to exist.

Jesus Christ is trustworthy, unicorns are not.

 

[Nostromo]

Can i answer instead?

If you're going to answer you could at least avoid totally changing the question.

Otherwise, No, I wouldnt trust what he said, because unicorns are not known to exist.

But he's stood in front of you, speaking to you.

 

[marktheblake]

If you're going to answer you could at least avoid totally changing the question.

I didn't change the question, I changed the answer you assumed we would give, and I gave you the reason for that answer.

But he's stood in front of you, speaking to you.

Correct, that is why I wouldn't trust him. I would have to assume its a con for the aforementioned reason.

 

[Nostromo]

Correct, that is why I wouldn't trust him. I would have to assume its a con for the aforementioned reason.

Do you wonder why some people are sceptical about gods?

There's a speaking unicorn right in front of you and you refuse to believe they exist, but you're quite happy to take it on the word of some ancient manuscript that Jehovah is real?

 

[driewerf]

Keep telling yourself that. Testing done reveals only creationism. Speculations based on the rebuke of these results do not have to be acknowledged.

How can tests reveal Creation, when AV1611VET goes through very long threads to explain us that Creation didn't leave any trace. Can you guys please agree among each other first?

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Let me add to this conversation, had you been my student:


AV: 'I guess'? What does that mean? Are you really familiar with the constellations like you think you are? Here, let me tell you Who Orion really is, and what happens when He brings that club down.

Then, if you're still bored...

I think I understand what the constellation of Orion is better than you do.

YouTube - A Trip Around Orion


It's a meaningless collection of stars that have no relation to one another. And when viewed from other angles, they aren't even anywhere near each other.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

And that would be the belief that God is comparable to shoe making elves in addition to the belief that the bible writers were under the same conditions as you are right now; "just saying" that life and its abode were created by an entity without actually experiencing anything. And that would go back to the manner of man present. Which would go back to Creationism/Darwinism. As an atheist who honors the belief that a universal intelligence emerged from ignorance, it is only natural that it is any explanation but an intelligence. This belief is not shared though. And the pinnacle of discoveries, is simultaneously at the beginning.



Excellent points here. Dont you find it ironic that many in here can compare the living God with elves, pink unicorns santa clause Harry Potter and other obvious fairy tales? Comparing making shoes to the universe though is quite a stretch. That's like comparing a lobe finned fish with the aid of natural selection adding pressure to random mutations (most of which are detrimental) over an extensive period of time will produce humans to a metal scrap yard with the aid of a series of tornados adding pressure over the equivalent amount of time will produce a boing 747.

On the fallacy that most mutations are detrimental and cannot add new information. And the fallacy that evolution is random like a tornado in a junk yard.
YouTube - 8th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism

 

[AV1611VET]

I think I understand what the constellation of Orion is better than you do.

Matthew 16:3b ... ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Matthew 16:3b ... ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Well according to Völuspá, stanza 43


Brothers will fight
and kill each other,
sisters' children
will defile kinship.
It is harsh in the world,
whoredom rife
—an axe age, a sword age (and the sun rises)
—shields are riven—
a wind age, a wolf age—
before the world goes headlong.
No man will have
mercy on another.

What? The Poetic Eddas don't have any credibility? They're just old stories and proverbs from the iron age?


EDIT: Side note for all of my fellow Tolkein nerds, now you know where Theodin's inspirational speech came from.

 

[AV1611VET]

What? The Poetic Eddas don't have any credibility?

Compared to the Bible? are you kidding me? not even close.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Compared to the Bible? are you kidding me? not even close.

Why? When Snorri, the author of the Eddas, describes Thor's hammer Mjolnir (which represents thunder and lightning) he says that it returns to his hand when thrown. How could Snorri have known that lightning travels down to the ground and back up to the sky unless he was divinely inspired?

The Eddas explain that eclipses happen when the wolf named Hati Hróðvitnisson catches up with Skinfaxi, the horse that pulls the sun. But if we bang pots and pans together and make a loud noise, we can distract Hati long enough for Skinfaxi to escape. Every time there is an eclipse I run outside and make loud noises and the sun always escapes. Explain that!

Orion is a type for Christ because he is crushing a snake? Maybe Christ is a type for Odin because they both died hanging from trees. The myth about Odin being nailed to a tree is just a rip off of the Jesus story you say? Then why isn't Jesus crushing the serpent a rip off of Orion?

In all seriousness, explain why the Bible has more credibility than the Eddas. Is it because it's older? What about the bhagavad gita then?

EDIT: I don't want to seem like I'm disrespecting the Bible. Both the Eddas and the Bible are valuable to me and I respect them. They are on the same self in my office; the historical literature/mythology section. The shelf below is for my 3D animation and anatomy reference books and the shelf above is for my Conan the Barbarian and Hellboy comics.

 

[Nostromo]

Compared to the Bible? are you kidding me? not even close.

You have absolutely no hope of salvation AV. It's a shame, I reckon you'd be a nice guy if you weren't so delusional.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

You have absolutely no hope of salvation AV. It's a shame, I reckon you'd be a nice guy if you weren't so delusional.

I would use pascal's wager on him. If he's right then he'll go to heaven, no biggie, but if the Eddas are right and the only way to Valhalla is to bravely die in glorious battle, then he might be in trouble.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why? When Snorri, the author of the Eddas, describes Thor's hammer Mjolnir (which represents thunder and lightning) he says that it returns to his hand when thrown. How could Snorri have known that lightning travels down to the ground and back up to the sky unless he was divinely inspired?

Ever heard of diabolical mimicry?

The Eddas explain that eclipses happen when the wolf named Hati Hróðvitnisson catches up with Skinfaxi, the horse that pulls the sun. But if we bang pots and pans together and make a loud noise, we can distract Hati long enough for Skinfaxi to escape. Every time there is an eclipse I run outside and make loud noises and the sun always escapes. Explain that!

And drinking milk at an early age leads to smoking marijuana?

Orion is a type for Christ because he is crushing a snake?

Yes -- the serpent is biting at His heel, while He is crushing its head; just at the Protevangelum says.

God put the stars in the sky, and it's interesting that He told Adam to name the animals, while He, Himself named the stars.

If you study the Hebrew names of the constellations and their major stars, not the Greek names, this is made plain.

The point of which, is that the plan of salvation was first written in the stars, before it was written on earth.

In all seriousness, explain why the Bible has more credibility than the Eddas.

I'll pass -- I'm not going to waste my time going into length of time of compilation, the martyrdom of Its authors, Its cohesiveness, prophecy and many other things that can simply be denied.

I said what I would tell a student of mine what I would tell him, and if he came back with all the points you just made, I'd tell him it's been nice knowing him and I'll be praying for him.

You can stand in Pharaoh's court and match my points on a point-for-point basis and hide behind fiction if you want, but in the end, God always wins.

 

[AV1611VET]

You have absolutely no hope of salvation AV. It's a shame, I reckon you'd be a nice guy if you weren't so delusional.

I was born again of incorruptible seed:

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

As my pastor says, there are two ways to become born again: corruptible seed and incorruptible seed.

Once a person chooses the corruptible seed of the word of McGraw-Hill over the incorruptible seed of the word of God, then he is very close to being lost forever.

There's still a chance, but it would take the Holy Spirit, Himself to intervene to open his eyes.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

Ever heard of diabolical mimicry?

The devil did it? Maybe a hammer that returns to you like a boomerang is just cool in the viking imagination.

And drinking milk at an early age leads to smoking marijuana?

lolque?

Yes -- the serpent is biting at His heel, while He is crushing its head; just at the Protevangelum says.

God put the stars in the sky, and it's interesting that He told Adam to name the animals, while He, Himself named the stars.

If you study the Hebrew names of the constellations and their major stars, not the Greek names, this is made plain.

Looked it up. Orion is known as Kesil and he's an angel, not the messiah.

The point of which, is that the plan of salvation was first written in the stars, before it was written on earth.

Ok I'm a Sagittarius. What is the Hebrew name for a goat with a fish tail and what does it have to do with salvation?

EDIT: Ok I just looked it up. Turns out Sagittarius is actually a centaur. Capricorn is the fish-goat. Shows how much stock I put in astrology (be it hebrew or greek). I didn't even know what my own sign looked like. Anyway, my question still stands. How do fish-goats and horse-men factor into God's plan for salvation? Especially considering we only know the hebrew names for 3 or 4 constellations.

I'll pass -- I'm not going to waste my time going into length of time of compilation,

The Avesta and the Bhagavad Gita took a long time to write and compile too. That doesn't mean anything.

the martyrdom of Its authors,

Snorri Sturluson, the author of the Eddas was murdered. So was Zoroaster.

If I wrote a book and was then murdered for it, would that make my book true?

Its cohesiveness

Here's a giant poster with hundreds of contradictions from the Bible
Contradictions in the Bible poster (detail 1) | Contradictions in the Bible | Project Reason

prophecy

Lots of books have prophecies.

List of oracular statements from Delphi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some of them happen and some of them don't. Including the Bible. Remember when you mentioned how long it took for the Bible to be written? That sort of discounts the prophecies doesn't it? The people who wrote the new testament knew the old testament. How hard would it have been for them to just add details to Jesus' life to make it seem like he fulfilled prophecy?

Why didn't Jesus come back during the lifetime of his followers like he promised (prophesied)?

I said what I would tell a student of mine what I would tell him, and if he came back with all the points you just made, I'd tell him it's been nice knowing him and I'll be praying for him.

That's pretty much what my teachers would have said too. And that's why my sense of curiosity and wonder about the universe died. If my teachers knew all the answers and weren't curious to learn more, why should I be curious?

You can stand in Pharaoh's court and match my points on a point-for-point basis and hide behind fiction if you want, but in the end, God always wins.

Which God? We're still trying to determine whether your book has more credibility than any other book.



EDIT: Whoops! Football is on. And then I need to get back to my entry for the reddit gift exchange. Cya later!

 

[Nostromo]

I was born again of incorruptible seed

That's what I mean. When you're deluded to the point that fantasy has more power over you than reality, what hope do you have?

Abandoning the lightbulb thread so soon?

 

[Herman Hedning]

If you study the Hebrew names of the constellations and their major stars, not the Greek names, this is made plain.

I thought that Hebrew could take a hike? Isn't that what you usually say when someone brings up Hebrew bible sources?

 

[Targ]

Sounds like AVET is speaking in tongues.

 

[Son of the King]

Sounds like AVET is speaking in tongues.

Avet is speaking my toungue here then cause I understand him.