AD 70 to AD 622 – prophecy unfolding?

Douggg said:

Hi Marilyn,

The beast is the 8th king. At Jesus's return, the beast and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire. Differently, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit.

So 8th king > beast. The beast, however, cannot be Satan for the reason above.

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The final Gentile Global Government ONLY has 7, (seven) heads/leaders. And these come one at a time.

Marilyn C said:

The final Gentile Global Government ONLY has 7, (seven) heads/leaders. And these come one at a time.

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Hi Marilyn,

I don't see a sequential set of seven kings (Revelation 17:10) to come, ruling one after another in a global government yet to come.

The final gentile kingdom is the fourth kingdom. It has ten concurrent kings, which the little horn comes up amongst. The little horn removes three kings.

It could be interpreted that those three kings are kings not part of the ten. Or that they are part of the ten.... and they get replaced.

fourth kingdom (in the end times) - the EU final form - ten kings,
and the little horn (king 7, Revelation 17:10 )
and the beast (little horn killed, brought back to life, as king 8, Revelation 17:11)

Douggg said:

Hi Marilyn,

I don't see a sequential set of seven kings (Revelation 17:10) to come, ruling one after another in a global government yet to come.

The final gentile kingdom is the fourth kingdom. It has ten concurrent kings, which the little horn comes up amongst. The little horn removes three kings.

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`They are seven kings/leaders . Five have fallen, one is and the other has not yet come.` (Rev. 17: 10)

Sequential set of leaders of the current Global Government.

I agree the Final Gentile Government (Dan. 7: 7) has 10 kings which all rule with the A/C.

But the A/C does NOT remove the 3 kings but pulls them up by the roots. This reveals that he, the A/C takes control over them, they fall in under him when he makes peace with Israel. They had their `roots` in Britain and France after WW1 when the allies drew a line in the sand and divided up those nations. That is why there is so much conflict there now.

However the A/C will bring them together under him. They will be his power base to start with. Later we know that the whole 10 kings (the other 7) will all have power and authority when he does.

Marilyn C said:

`They are seven kings/leaders . Five have fallen, one is and the other has not yet come.` (Rev. 17: 10)

Sequential set of leaders of the current Global Government.

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Hi Marilyn,

If you are saying "current" Global Government, who in your scenario was the first of the sequential king(s) ?

btw, I don't know of any Global Government at this time.

Douggg said:

Hi Marilyn,

If you are saying "current" Global Government, who in your scenario was the first of the sequential king(s) ?

btw, I don't know of any Global Government at this time.

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The G7 & G20 are ruled over by the 4 big powers - British Commonwealth, (Lion) USA, (Eagle) Russia, (Bear) and Europe, (Leopard).









Each year they have a different host leader and this is in a rotation of 5.





When this rotation is finished, (5 have fallen) then there will be the 6th and the final one, the 7th, A/C.

This year the host leader of the G20 is the Saudi Arabia`s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salam. Who better to introduce the Islamic Peace negotiator, (A/C) after the Russian war. (this year I believe)



Who is front and centre and looks very happy about it?

Marilyn C said:

The G7 & G20 are ruled over by the 4 big powers - British Commonwealth, (Lion) USA, (Eagle) Russia, (Bear) and Europe, (Leopard).

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Hi Marilyn, the G7 and G20 are economic forums, not a global government.

Douggg said:

Hi Marilyn, the G7 and G20 are economic forums, not a global government.

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The G7 is a Political forum and now with the G20 we have the economic aspect of the Global Government.

Douggg said:

Hi Marilyn, the G7 and G20 are economic forums, not a global government.

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The G7 and G20 are Economic Forums as you say, and that leads to the Political. Here is my thinking.


GLOBAL PATTERN.

After World War 2 the Allies (UK & USA) got together and formed various international groups and institutions that overlooked the world`s financial system. Previously countries looked after their own finances; however after the war most countries were in debt except the USA who came late into the war.

Thus the USA dollar became the reserve currency of the world. The IMF (International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank were established to lend to countries to rebuild their war damaged nations.

Much effort was put into rebuilding Europe and over time the European Union was established. Trade barriers were broken down with ease of flow of goods and services, then a monetary union, with a single currency, till finally the President of the European Union.

This process of bringing many countries together to form a single Union of Free Trade, then became the pattern for bringing all the countries of the world together under a one World Government. There would be common policies on production regulation and movement of goods and services, and finally a common currency.

Europe then, is the pattern for the process to Global Government.

Thus over the years we can see this emerging with various barriers being broken down between countries, forming trade blocs. Eventually these will all merge together.

This philosophy of `free trade` has been sold to the world as the answer to the countries problems. However it is the large banks and the multinational corporations that are benefiting.

Marilyn C said:

The G7 and G20 are Economic Forums as you say, and that leads to the Political. Here is my thinking.


GLOBAL PATTERN.

After World War 2 the Allies (UK & USA) got together and formed various international groups and institutions that overlooked the world`s financial system. Previously countries looked after their own finances; however after the war most countries were in debt except the USA who came late into the war.

Thus the USA dollar became the reserve currency of the world. The IMF (International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank were established to lend to countries to rebuild their war damaged nations.

Much effort was put into rebuilding Europe and over time the European Union was established. Trade barriers were broken down with ease of flow of goods and services, then a monetary union, with a single currency, till finally the President of the European Union.

This process of bringing many countries together to form a single Union of Free Trade, then became the pattern for bringing all the countries of the world together under a one World Government. There would be common policies on production regulation and movement of goods and services, and finally a common currency.

Europe then, is the pattern for the process to Global Government.

Thus over the years we can see this emerging with various barriers being broken down between countries, forming trade blocs. Eventually these will all merge together.

This philosophy of `free trade` has been sold to the world as the answer to the countries problems. However it is the large banks and the multinational corporations that are benefiting.

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Hi Marilyn,

Well, right now the only union of nations that have switched their national currency to the union's currency is the EU. And the only union of nations that allows free unrestricted movement of its citizens between union nations is the EU. And the only union of nations that has a political central government is the EU.

I don't every see something like that happening on a global scale. Right now the United States is building a wall to prevent unauthorized entry from Mexico.

The EU still has some refinements to go before the little horn, like having the ten leader form of central government. The EU may get whittled down to ten nations; but I am thinking more along the lines of ten regions. Or something nobody has even thought of.

Effectively, the closest thing to a single leader of the EU is the president of the EU commission, currently Ursula von der Leyen. She is quiet a good speaker. I have watched several You Tube videos listening to her. The term of office is five years, and she just began in December 2019. But all of that structure of the EU could change.

Douggg said:

Hi Marilyn,

Well, right now the only union of nations that have switched their national currency to the union's currency is the EU. And the only union of nations that allows free unrestricted movement of its citizens between union nations is the EU. And the only union of nations that has a political central government is the EU.

I don't every see something like that happening on a global scale. Right now the United States is building a wall to prevent unauthorized entry from Mexico.

The EU still has some refinements to go before the little horn, like having the ten leader form of central government. The EU may get whittled down to ten nations; but I am thinking more along the lines of ten regions. Or something nobody has even thought of.

Effectively, the closest thing to a single leader of the EU is the president of the EU commission, currently Ursula von der Leyen. She is quiet a good speaker. I have watched several You Tube videos listening to her. The term of office is five years, and she just began in December 2019. But all of that structure of the EU could change.

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That`s right, however we are on track to more power. Of course nations have to prevent `unauthorised` access, but that doesn`t negate a Global Government. It just means that all nations agree to abide by certain rules.

Interesting about the president of the commission. Now the EU has signed the treaty of Lisbon a while back which means they will appoint a President over the EU and their 3 governmental areas. That is why Brexit had to happen for once the EU moves to that President then the EU would Politically be over Britain in a big way.

OK so more information. I`ll do it on the next post.

GLOBAL CURRENCY

With a Global Government, a President and an executive Board there comes the need for a World Currency.


The International Monetary Fund. (IMF)

This is to become the world currency bank. Under this scheme the IMF would be charged with regulating a new global currency.

Collaborating with the World Bank, the IMF would use this new currency for international loans and debt obligations. National and regional currencies would still exist, at least for the interim, but values would react and adjust according to the new global benchmarks.

The designing of a world currency has been worked on for many years by the United Future World Currency Project. They have presented their prototype coins to the G7/8 a few years ago and are just waiting for the main mints in different countries to get ready for the printing.





The coin on the front has the numeral `1` repeated five times in subtle layers which represent the five inhabited continents.

The coin also includes five stars and carries the inscription of `Unity in Diversity,` which is the basic idea behind the concept.





The back of the coin has the `Tree of Life,` with five different kinds of leaves, each leaf can be found on all five continents.

The inscription reads `United Future World Currency`

The coins were struck in the Royal Belgium Mint by the Chief engraver who also designed the Euro coin.

Marilyn C said:

The inscription reads `United Future World Currency`

The coins were struck in the Royal Belgium Mint by the Chief engraver who also designed the Euro coin.

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"The coins were struck in the Royal Belgium Mint..."

The EU wants to be the dominant union over the rest of the world. The motto on the coin, minted in the EU, comes from the EU.

Motto of the European Union - Wikipedia

I don't think there will ever be one centralized global government, but one union dominant over the rest of the world, and the various alliances.

Part of my reasoning is the king of the north, south, and east attack the beast near the end of the 7 years in Daniel 11:40-44. Some people interpret the "he" and "him" in those passages as the king of the north. Differently, I and others, interpret the "he" and "him" as king of the west.

Regardless, the indication in Daniel 11 is that it will be nations in alliances by north, east, south for certain; and north, east, south, and west (implied). Not a global one world government.

Douggg said:

"The coins were struck in the Royal Belgium Mint..."

The EU wants to be the dominant union over the rest of the world. The motto on the coin, minted in the EU, comes from the EU.

Motto of the European Union - Wikipedia

I don't think there will ever be one centralized global government, but one union dominant over the rest of the world, and the various alliances.

Part of my reasoning is the king of the north, south, and east attack the beast near the end of the 7 years in Daniel 11:40-44. Some people interpret the "he" and "him" in those passages as the king of the north. Differently, I and others, interpret the "he" and "him" as king of the west.

Regardless, the indication in Daniel 11 is that it will be nations in alliances by north, east, south for certain; and north, east, south, and west (implied). Not a global one world government.

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Hi Douggg,

We`re having a very interesting discussion here, thank you.

Yes I quite realise the connection with the EU. Now I believe that the false prophet (to the world) will be from the EU and will have two authorities - Economic (buying & selling) and religious, (though we know that gets done away with).

I agree with you that there will be a dominant power over the nations of the world. In Daniel 7:7 we read that the last beast treads down the others. This would be domination. And to have the power to get people all over the world to not only `buy and sell` but to `worship, honour` the leader, does show us that it is a world wide domination. It will be that every nation will come under the main power`s authority.

That was the same in Babylon, Medes & Persians, Greece & Romans. Countries may still have had their local ruler but he was under the Romans for example. Thus today say Islam will rule, then all nations will come under their rules, but we will still have our leaders in our countries.

It seems to me that many people don’t see how the Bible prophesies tie together to make a whole coherent picture.
There is no doubt that Daniel and Revelation have many parallel prophesies, that can also be seen; giving more details, in the other Bible books.
Regarding a One World Government: This concept has been around for a long time and many overt and covert movements have promoted it. That such a political entity will happen, led by a charismatic man known to us as the Anti-Christ, is quite clearly prophesied in Daniel 7:23-24 and described in Daniel 11:21-45, paralleled in Revelation 17:12-13 and described in Revelation 13:1-18.
The problem the promoters of the OWG have, is the refusal of the nations to relinquish their sovereignty. We all prefer to do our own thing and with the current world situation, this works OK. There are hiccups with nations that mismanage their economies, but it is against the interests of the IMF and the ‘gnomes of Zurich’ to allow a nation to go bankrupt.
So, in order to force the nations to agree to a OWG; initially 10 regions, governed by 10 Presidents*, they know there has to be some kind of dramatic event to start this process. That planned event is to be a nuke attack in the Middle East. A mini WW3, that will shake up the world and have the beneficial effect of solving the Palestinian/ Israel conflict - they would both be gone!
Iran will proceed with their avowed plans to wipe Israel off the map and the recent developments in Syria, Gaza and Israel, is an indication of how close we are to this attack. They know such an attack will result in their own destruction, but they will do it, as their Satanic religion pushes them into it. Ezekiel 35:6, Proverbs 8:32
However, it won’t be retaliation by Israel or America that will thwart this secret attack by Iran and her allies onto Israel, the Lord will take action and He will destroy them all, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 83, 2 Peter 3:7, virtually depopulating the entire Middle East region. Ezekiel 7:14, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 49:35, Isaiah 34:5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 & 2:4-5 and many other prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.
The rest of the world will mostly survive and as things will be then, agreement on a OWG will be easy. Not quite as planned, but a similar result!
What happens to all the true believers in the Lord? Raptured to heaven? Nowhere does the Bible say that will happen at any time. 1 Peter 3:12 says it clearly; it will be the fiery test of our faith and we must stand firm, believing in His protection. Then: look up, for our redemption is near. Luke 21:25-28
Jesus will Return within 20 years.

*Google - 10 world regions.

pasifika said:

Hello, there is no mention of the 4th beast being the Roman Empire in Daniel 7. But as you said is just a suggestion and it doesn't always the right one. The book of Daniel tells us where to look to find the information about the 4 beasts...

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The little horn is mentioned in Daniel 7 & 8. Chapter 8 says the little horn comes from the Grecian Empire - not Rome. All four beast in Daniel 7 - the lion, leopard, bear, and the 'fearful and dreadful' beast are all end-time beast. Rome isn't mentioned in end-time prophecy anywhere.

pasifika said:

Hello, there is no mention of the 4th beast being the Roman Empire in Daniel 7. But as you said is just a suggestion and it doesn't always the right one. The book of Daniel tells us where to look to find the information about the 4 beasts...

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The little horn is mentioned in Daniel 7 & 8. Chapter 8 says the little horn comes from the Grecian Empire - not Rome. All four beast in Daniel 7 - the lion, leopard, bear, and the 'fearful and
dreadful' beast are all end-time beast. Rome isn't mentioned in end-time prophecy anywhere.

Christian Gedge said:

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This is how the Roman empire looked at its greatest extent. It’s worth studying because from within these boundaries arise the 10 ‘horns.’ (Dan. 7:24) I’ll be putting up later maps to compare with this one.

It’s also worth noting that at about this time Jesus’ prediction concerning the dispersion of the Jews took place. (AD 135 Bar Kokhba revolt) It’s the first example proving that prophecy did not cease at AD 70.

“They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24)​

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The time of the gentiles ended in 1948 with the birth of Israel. Jesus said the holy city will be trampled under foot for 42 months. we know Jerusalem was captured by Israel in 1967. A solar month is 30.43 days time 42 equals 1278.37 days. 1967-1278.37=688.63. In 688 ad construction started on the Dome of The Rock which on the inside says God does not have a son and there is no Holy Spirit. This is not a coincidence.

Oberamagau said:

The little horn is mentioned in Daniel 7 & 8. Chapter 8 says the little horn comes from the Grecian Empire - not Rome. All four beast in Daniel 7 - the lion, leopard, bear, and the 'fearful and dreadful' beast are all end-time beast. Rome isn't mentioned in end-time prophecy anywhere.

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The little horn that comes up in the midst of the other 3 is Hitler. He did wear out the saints(jews) the 3 horns that were pulled up are Belgium Luxembourg and France. Which were 3 areas that were controlled by the old Roman empire. The Lion Bear and Leopard are the geographical areas controlled by Babylon(Lion) Medo-Persian(bear) and Greece(leopard) which are now Islamic nations (the 7th and now 8th Beast)The 4th and terrible beast(Rome) is dead and never to be resurrected. This is all historical fact, you can line up the bible with history they go hand in hand. The 2 horned beast that looks like a lamb but speaks as a dragon, one horn is the crusades. It goes on and on, we are at the end now waiting for our lord and savior.