Acts 2 Question...

[JM]

Acts [font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. [/font]

Is Peter saying Jesus is at the right hand of God reigning, right now? I noticed my Scofield has a break right around this point, almost trying to separate the point Peter is making...what is the point Peter is making?

 

[Tractor1]

Is Peter saying Jesus is at the right hand of God reigning, right now? I noticed my Scofield has a break right around this point, almost trying to separate the point Peter is making...what is the point Peter is making?

I believe it has to do with two aspects of Christ's present ministry in heaven. That which involves His headship over all things to the Church (Eph. 1:22-23); and His bestowment and direction of the exercise of gifts (Rom. 12:3-8; 1 Cor. 12:4-31; Eph. 4:7-11). I do not believe Christ to be currently reigning from the what some would say is David's throne from heaven.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[StevenL]

Sure He's reigning now.

Revelation 1
4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed[1] us from our sins in His own blood, 6and has made us kings[2] and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Ephesians 1
20which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.
22And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Christ is not even on his own throne yet but will be during the millium kingdom!!!

 

[In Christ Forever]

Acts [font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. [/font]

Sounds like Christ reigning to me.

Christ is not even on his own throne yet but will be during the millium kingdom!!!

Truly taken from the Book of Dispensationalism.
I really trully want to know how you take this passage from Paul. I am post wrath myself just because of the way I have view the bible. So stick your 1000yr reign and rapture where it belongs next to one of these sentences:

1 corin 15:21 For since by man [came] death, by Man also [came] the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order:

#1 Christ the firstfruits, [passed]

#2 afterward those [who are] Christ's at His coming. 24 [still to come]

#3 Then [comes] the end, [the END]
when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

hosea 8:14 Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins. They shall return to Egypt. 14 "For Israel has forgotten his Maker, And has built temples; Judah[2 tribes] also has multiplied fortified cities; But I will send fire upon his cities, And it shall devour his palaces."

Anyone know who this wicked prince of Israel is Sounds almost like a high priest of the tribe of Levi.

ezekiel 21:25 'Now to you, O profane, wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose iniquity [shall] end, 26 'thus says the Lord GOD: "Remove the turban, and take off the crown; Nothing [shall remain] the same. Exalt the humble, and humble the exalted. 27Overthrown, overthrown, I will make it overthrown! It shall be no [longer,] Until He comes whose right it is, And I will give it [to Him."] '

 

[Uzziah]

Yes, Christ has been exalted and given the name which is above every name (Phil 2) and is now at the right hand of God in Heaven. He is currently seated in the Fathers Throne .

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

One day Christ will sit in what he calls "My Throne". But he is not seated on the Throne of David today. The Fathers Throne is not the Throne of David.

U

 

[Terral]

Hi Street Preacher:

You quoted >> ". . . Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. Acts 2:30-33 (CAPS are OT quotes).

StreetPreacher asks >> Is Peter saying Jesus is at the right hand of God reigning, right now? I noticed my Scofield has a break right around this point, almost trying to separate the point Peter is making...what is the point Peter is making?

Peter could have made things easier, by providing us with more detailed information on whether he could actually see Christ sitting or standing at the right hand of God. This, after all, is the key as to whether Christ is currently ruling as King (sitting) or performing His intercessory duties as High Priest (standing). Typically, the king sits and judges upon his throne, while the priest stands and intercedes for the accused. The prophet comes in and out as summoned by the king.

The Holy Spirit does quote David throughout, as Peter seeks to convict all Israel concerning what they must now do. Scripture says,

"For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET."' Acts 2:34+35.

Can we gather from this quotation that Christ is now sitting at the right hand of God reigning as King of Kingdom of Heaven? I wish we could, but the Holy Spirit is here describing the Lord God’s intention to keep His promise from Psalm 110:1. However, this single verse does not stand alone in the Psalm. Let us look at the context in which it was written:

“. . . And let them know that this is Your hand; You, LORD, have done it. Let them curse, but You bless; When they arise, they shall be ashamed, But Your servant shall be glad. Let my accusers be clothed with dishonor, And let them cover themselves with their own shame as with a robe. With my mouth I will give thanks abundantly to the LORD; And in the midst of many I will praise Him. For He stands at the right hand of the needy, To save him from those who judge his soul. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, {saying,} "Rule in the midst of Your enemies." Ps. 109:26-110:2.

David is speaking of a glorious day, when the LORD shall rule through the Lord through the power of His scepter from Zion. When David says “The LORD says to my Lord,” then he is speaking of God Almighty speaking to our Lord Jesus Christ. David is speaking to the LORD, and speaking in the third person of our Lord, saying, “For He stands at the right and of the needy.”

Focus in on the highlighted words above that say, “When they rise . . .” These are the key words that tell us that the topic of David’s discourse here is about the resurrection and the judgment. David includes himself in the resurrection, and acknowledges to the LORD that, “with my mouth I will give thanks,” and, “in the midst of many I will praise Him.” Again, David is speaking in the third person of the Lord (Christ), to the LORD (God Almighty).


From the perspective of what the Holy Spirit is saying through Peter in Acts 2, the fulfillment of David’s words here are still very much future. That is why Peter did not include the word “sitting” at the right hand of God. The answer we are seeking is not presented in Acts 2 at all. The Holy Spirit is working through Peter to ‘convict’ Israel into repentance, so that these ‘men of Israel’ (Acts 2:22) would be obedient to the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ (Matt. 24:14) in which Peter was about to present (Acts 2:36-38). Note that after Peter called for the “house of Israel” (Acts 2:36) to ‘repent, and let each of you be baptized . . .,’ (vs. 38), then Scripture says,

"For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself." And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!" Acts 2:39+40.

The Holy Spirit (through Peter) is doing everything to usher in the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel, according to Christ’s prophetic words in Matt. 24:14, that this ‘gospel of the kingdom’ would go to then ends of the earth. However, the Holy Spirit and Peter knew that it must first be accepted by Israel and particularly by Jerusalem. As Christ told them,

“but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth." Acts 1:8.

John the Baptist offered the Kingdom to Israel from God the Father (John 1:6, 33, Matt. 3:1-6 (2)). Jesus Christ came as the Son to offer the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ to Israel. Matt. 4:17 (23), 9:35. Christ also sent the Twelve out with the same exact message, to Israel Only in Matt. 10:5-7. The Holy Spirit began His ministry of doing the same exact thing here in Acts 2:1. Again, that is why Peter’s address is being made strictly to the “men of Israel” (Acts 2:22). This preaching of the Kingdom would continue throughout Acts, until Paul would finally give up on Israel in Acts 28:28. However, the beginning of the end of the offering of the kingdom is shown to us in the story of Steven. And this is where we find the answer to your question above.

Israel had rejected the Kingdom offering through John the Baptist by failing to recognize him (Matt. 17:12), and allowing him to die in prison (Matt. 14:8-10). They rejected the offering of the kingdom of heaven from the Son, by demanding His death on the cross (Matt. 27:23-25). However, note very carefully that the account of Steven’s death is long and laborious; beginning in Acts 6:8 and running through to Acts 7:60. The Holy Spirit was again convicting Israel to repentance and into acceptance of this same ‘good news concerning the kingdom of God.’ (Acts 8:12). Near the very end of Steven’s very long speech, Scripture says,

“But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse. When they had driven him out of the city, they {began} stoning {him;} and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul.” Acts 7:55-58.

Here lies the key you seek. Steven verifies the our Lord Jesus Christ is now standing at the right hand of God. This means He (the Lord God; YHVH Elohim) is still performing His Sabbath day (which began in Genesis 2:4) duties as High Priest and Intercessor of the accused. Paul is in full agreement, saying,

“Rom 8:33 Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.” Romans 8:33+34.

Is Christ at the right hand of God reigning now? No. However, Paul makes three statements in his Prison Epistles that appear to speak against everything I just said above:

“. . . which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly.” Eph. 1:20.

“. . . and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly {places} in Christ Jesus.” Eph. 2:6.

“Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.” Col. 3:1.

In each of these verses of Scripture Paul is addressing our ‘standing,’ as opposed to our ‘state’ in Christ Jesus. Your standing before God is fixed and secure. The saved are the ‘children of God’ (Rom. 8:16), and the sons of God (Rom. 8:19) right now, and your life is ‘hidden with Christ in God.’ Col. 3:3. But, look around and take note of your ‘state’ this very moment. Paul says that God has ‘seated us with Him in the heavenly.’ Are we actually there yet?

Our ‘state’ has yet to catch up to our ‘standing.’ Today, right now, you and I are still in need of an Intercessor. In the same way, Christ’s ‘standing’ as the King of the Kingdom of Heaven is totally secure. The ‘finished’ aspect of His ‘standing’ is the reason for the ‘seated’ language in Paul’s words. However, both Steven and Paul agree that Christ is still performing His High Priest role, and according to His actual ‘standing,’ He is still ‘standing at the right hand of God.’ Acts 7:55.


God bless,

Terral

 

[Ebb]

The answer is obvious. Yes, Christ is presently on the throne of David.

 

[StevenL]

Acts 15:14-17

James equated the birth of the assembly at Jerusalem with the "rebuilding of the House (Tabernacle) of David" which had "fallen down." So I would assume Yeshua is reigning over the House. ?

 

[Terral]

Hi Ebb:

Ebb writes >> The answer is obvious. Yes, Christ is presently on the throne of David.

Thank you very much for writing on this thread. Please note that many points have been raised here that say Christ is currently interceding for us at the right hand of God. Rom. 8:34. That would place Christ “standing at the right hand of God” (Acts 7:56) in His Priestly Position. Also, are we in agreement that the Throne of David is part of this realm? Scripture says,

“Blessed {is} the coming kingdom of our father David; Hosanna in the highest!" Mark 11:10.

Is the kingdom of David coming to Israel, or going someplace else? The Lord God had made some promises that He intends to keep, saying,

"Then I will set over them one shepherd, My servant David, and he will feed them; he will feed them himself and be their shepherd. And I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David will be prince among them; I the LORD have spoken. "I will make a covenant of peace with them and eliminate harmful beasts from the land so that they may live securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.” Ezekiel 34:23-25.

Three chapters later, the Lord God makes this same promise through this ‘prophet of old,’ saying,

"Say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD . . . ‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons' sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever. I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever.’” Ezekiel 37.21-26.

Are we clear on who the “Lord God” is in these verses? Isaiah and Malachi both reveal that the Lord God is our Lord Jesus Christ, saying,

“A voice is calling, "Clear the way for the LORD in the wilderness; Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God.” Isaiah 40:3.



"Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts.” Malachi 3:1.

Scripture verifies that ‘My messenger’ is John the Baptist. Matt. 11:10, Mark 1:2, Luke 7:27. John the Baptist said,

"I am A VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, 'MAKE STRAIGHT THE WAY OF THE LORD,' as Isaiah the prophet said." John 1:23.

And who was the Lord who followed Him? Christ said,

"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." Matt. 12:8.

The Sabbath is the Seventh Day, and this day began in Genesis 2:4, as it is written,

Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.” Genesis 2:3+4.

We are seeing a transition from the sixth day to this seventh day above. The ‘sabbath’ day is the one day that the Priest does all the work. Our Lord Jesus Christ has been working throughout this seventh day for the past 6000 years, as the Lord God. He even came to earth in the form of man to be ‘our Passover.’ 1Cor. 5:7.



The throne of David is right here on the planet earth. We are still living in the time before “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” Rom. 11:25. What does James say about this topic?

"Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, and will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen, and I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, so that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,' says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.” Acts 15:14-18.

Again, the tabernacle of David is still to be rebuilt from the ruins of Israel. God is building the Gentile dominant (Rom. 11:13, 15:16, Eph. 3:1) ‘body of Christ’ (Eph. 4:12). Only then can anyone sit upon the throne of David, and that person will be David himself. Eze. 37:21-26. Many people wish to place Christ on the Throne of David during the coming Kingdom of Israel on earth. That simply cannot happen, according to Bible Prophecy. Peter pleaded with Israel to repent, and added these prophetic words,

"Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until {the} period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.” Acts 3:19-21.

Do you see those words of Ezekiel above? “My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd . . .” Eze. 37:24? Ezekiel is one of those ‘Holy prophets from ancient time.' Heaven must receive Christ, until the ‘period of restoration of ALL things, about which the OT prophets spoke. What did Christ say about this?

“And His disciples asked Him, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" And He answered and said, "Elijah is coming and will restore all things.” Matt. 17:10+11.

Do these verses of Scripture speak about the restoration of something, or all things? Again, we cannot place anyone onto the throne of David, before those things are restored. We also cannot place Christ there at all, because of the truth in His words, about what He said to Pilate.

“Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." John 18:36.

According to James and Paul, Israel is to be restored after the fullness of the Gentiles is complete. That restoration process includes the tabernacle of David. David’s Kingdom and his throne are of this world, and of this realm. Our Lord Jesus Christ is Lord/Savior/King of the entire Universe. Almighty God is Lord/King over everything beyond the realm of time and space in His infinite realm. He is taking command and Kingship over everything in this realm through our Lord Jesus Christ and David. Those are the three ‘Fathers,’ of Scripture. See Isa. 9:6. Take careful notice of Christ’s words that pertain to Him being in the Father, and the Father being in Him.

“But if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." John 10:38.

Then, follow along as Christ takes that concept to the next level:

That they may all be one; even as You, Father, {are} in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.” John 17:21.

Christ’s Kingdom is not of this world, yet, but it is coming. The heavens (all the spirit realm; unseen) and earth (all physical matter; seen) are being reunited and joined through the ‘kingdom of heaven,’ and Christ will indeed rule from the Throne of David, but from within David. God Almighty will also rule from the Throne of David, but from within Christ, within David. That works in the same way,

“that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.” 2Cor. 5:19.

Read Hebrews again, but from the perspective that David’s prophecies from the Psalms concern himself. He is taking his earthly throne, as Christ is also taking His heavenly throne. And the Almighty is ruling from within both. So I can agree with all of you that Christ and God Almighty Himself will sit upon the Throne of David, but not before the Kingdom of Israel and that throne is actually restored.



God bless,



Terral

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Sounds like Christ reigning to me.
1 corin 15:21 For since by man [came] death, by Man also [came] the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order:


#1 Christ the firstfruits, [passed]

romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruit of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the sonship, to wit, the redemption of our body

Christ is the firstfruit ...Yes

So how do we become firstfruit? 1 cor 12:12-13

#2

afterward those [who are] Christ's at His coming. 24 [still to come]

#3 Then [comes] the end, [the END]
when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

sorry to here that you believe POST TRIB

Revelations angels blow trumpets

1 thes 4:16-17 Christ blows the trumpet

huge difference in relationship

Christ is the KIng but He is MY DADDY
gal 4:6-7 vs ester 4:11

 

[StevenL]

Interesting. I just read 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. It doesn't say that Christ blows the Trumpet. I assume that's written somewhere else and related to these verses? Please give us the related verse that says that Christ blows the trumpet. That would be very useful.

It also says that he descends with the "voice of an archangel." Hmm.......very interesting. I've never heard anyone expound on that part of the verse before I don't think.

1 Thessalonians 4
16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 

[ChristianMuse]

Matthew 22. 44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

I agree with some of the posts. Jesus is at the right hand of God. Christ still has enemies. Christ is interceding on our behalf with the Father. Jesus rules his church. Will leave the right hand place of God in a future return to rule the world. hmmm... at this point an etc.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Yes, Christ has been exalted and given the name which is above every name (Phil 2) and is now at the right hand of God in Heaven. He is currently seated in the Fathers Throne .

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

One day Christ will sit in what he calls "My Throne". But he is not seated on the Throne of David today. The Fathers Throne is not the Throne of David.

U

This is the traditional dispensational (TD) perspective today, where a distinction is made between the "two thrones." TDs also interpret Psalm 110 as referring to two thrones - the Father's throne (110:1) and the Davidic throne (110:2).


Lamorak Des Galis

 

[In Christ Forever]

2</FONT> afterward those [who are] Christ's at His coming. 24 {His coming for the elect}

#3 Then [comes] the end, [the END] The wraths poured out.
when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruit of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the sonship, to wit, the redemption of our body

Christ is the firstfruit ...Yes

So how do we become firstfruit? 1 cor 12:12-13


sorry to here that you believe POST TRIB

Revelations angels blow trumpets

1 thes 4:16-17 Christ blows the trumpet

huge difference in relationship

Christ is the KIng but He is MY DADDY
gal 4:6-7 vs ester 4:11

Christ doesn't blow the trumpet, God does. And revelation is showing God as the One Coming, and not Christ. Must be a translation errer. It is also showing saints dying all thru the tribs.

reve 6:11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both [the number of] their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they [were,] was completed.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

reve 18:8 "Therefore her plagues will come in one day -- death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong [is] the Lord God who judges her.

reve 11: 17 saying: "We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. 18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,

 

[ChristianMuse]

I believe part of the problem in understanding what is occurring in revelations is that many people think of one covenant coming to a close. I see several covenants coming to a close from its start to its end. In fact, there are at least two covenants getting started.

Has anyone else noticed this?

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

Christ doesn't blow the trumpet, God does.[/b] And revelation is showing God as the One Coming, and not Christ. Must be a translation errer. It is also showing saints dying all thru the tribs.

1 COR 15:57 But thanks be to God[trinity], which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ

saints dying thru the tribs are different groups [ different squads ] of believers

#1 the church ...firstfruits

#2 the Jews and tribulational saints ... afterward they that are Christ possessions at His second coming

#3 Kingdom saints ....vs 24 when the cometh the end.. delivered up the kingdom

 

[A Brethren IN CHRIST]

[/color][/b]

romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruit of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the sonship, to wit, the redemption of our body

Christ is the firstfruit ...Yes

So how do we become firstfruit? 1 cor 12:12-13


sorry to here that you believe POST TRIB

Revelations angels blow trumpets

1 thes 4:16-17 Christ blows the trumpet

huge difference in relationship

Christ is the KIng but He is MY DADDY
gal 4:6-7 vs ester 4:11

I need to correct my self......

Christ is the Husband eph 5:23-27
God the Father is my daddy Gal 4:67

different relationships but they are closer than being King