ACLU Wants Cross Removed from Cemetary Plot

[Paula]

The Catholic Chaplain's Monument
[size=+3]At Arlington National Cemetery[/size]

 

[Paula]

Probably grandfathered in by being there since 1925. Perhaps the ACLU will address it if somebody makes the case.

That seems to be at the heart of many people's fears. The ACLU is certainly heading in that direction.

 

[notto]

That seems to be at the heart of many people's fears. The ACLU is certainly heading in that direction.

Actually, I don't think they will. There are many monuments that at this point are historical and the monuments at Arlington are fairly diverse. I don't think they would have a problem with a monument of catholic chaplins having a cross on it. That ones sort of a no brainer.

They also don't have a problem with personal markers having religious symbols on them. That is just a plain lie. The ACLU also doesn't make these cases themselves, they represent citizens. Until a citizen approaches them with a case, they would not get involved with a legal action.

 

[TScott]

Hope they don't take any of these...

 

[praying]

Cy is dead. The man who owns the site is dead and apparently not buried there (pure speculation, as is speculating that he IS buried there...)

So, if the marker's there waiting for the owner to be buried there, and if Cy is the owner, and if Cy is dead....

WHERE IS CY????
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Cy is lost in cyberspace.

 

[Illuminatus]

First, there are other sources of lighting besides electrical.

So...they're lighting this thing with natural gas? Kerosene? Peat moss?

 

[Paula]

So...they're lighting this thing with natural gas? Kerosene? Peat moss?

Could be one of those mercury vapor dawn-to-dusk security lights, or maybe even solar powered. Battery packs are another alternative source of energy for lighting systems commonly used in landscaping.

Actually, I don't think they will. There are many monuments that at this point are historical and the monuments at Arlington are fairly diverse.

As are the monuments at the Ohio cemetery.

I don't think they would have a problem with a monument of catholic chaplins having a cross on it. That ones sort of a no brainer.

Well, that's mighty big of them. Still no telling where they will draw the line, which emphatically underscores the need for common-sensical solutions by common-sense judges to mundane issues such as this.

They also don't have a problem with personal markers having religious symbols on them. That is just a plain lie.

This is a direct contradiction of what you said earlier:

The government can't give special rights of privilage (such as selling two square feet of ground for religious markers) to individuals for use as a publically endorsed religious monument

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A sidenote: Burial plots are much larger than two square feet of ground.

More importantly, given the information we currently have, the ACLU just doesn't seem to have a cogent argument.

The ACLU also doesn't make these cases themselves, they represent citizens. Until a citizen approaches them with a case, they would not get involved with a legal action.

The ACLU is only too happy to oblige, as evidenced by their vigilante-style tactics. They know full well this small town doesn't have the wherewithal to fund a full-blown litigation, so they try to coerce them into "settling" in lieu of going to trial, and voilà--someone's rights get flushed down the tube. There are many other cases like this, but that would be best discussed on another thread.

 

[Alarum]

Guys, I think we can draw a logical distinction between a gravesite marked with a cross and an 8-foot high attention-getting device. Seriously, an 8-foot tall lit cross in a graveyard? It's a place to mourn the dead, not Vegas!

 

[Brad'sDad]

Guys, I think we can draw a logical distinction between a gravesite marked with a cross and an 8-foot high attention-getting device. Seriously, an 8-foot tall lit cross in a graveyard? It's a place to mourn the dead, not Vegas!

Boy, have you missed the boat! What we're discussing is whether a cross in a public cemetery is legal, and also what business does the aclu have poking its nose around in how people bury their dead?

 

[Illuminatus]

what business does the aclu have poking its nose around in how people bury their dead?

Or, in this case, not bury their dead, seeing as Cy's body is nowhere to be found.

 

[Brad'sDad]

Or, in this case, not bury their dead, seeing as Cy's body is nowhere to be found.

Unless you can provide a source, that's only a rumor being purposely floated by some hard nosed aclu advocates.

 

[notto]

Unless you can provide a source, that's only a rumor being purposely floated by some hard nosed aclu advocates.

So Cy is buried underneath the Korean War Memorial?

 

[Brad'sDad]

So Cy is buried underneath the Korean War Memorial?

That's another plain lie.

 

[Alarum]

Boy, have you missed the boat! What we're discussing is whether a cross in a public cemetery is legal, and also what business does the aclu have poking its nose around in how people bury their dead?

No, you've missed the boat. There's a question of scale. Building a 2 story building requires pretty simple permits. Building a 20 story building on the same site is probably illegal, and certainly difficult to get approval for.

In this case the cross is NOT on a tombstone, is huge and gawdy, and frankly, ridiculous.

To change this slightly, if a wiccan wanted a tasteful pentagram on her tombstone I don't think anyone would have a problem. If she wanted to erect an 8 foot tall pentagram with glowing red lights, I think there's a problem.

 

[guitarplayer_101]

That's just sad(the situation, not any comments made so far)

 

[starchild]

I agree with Alarum. As I stated before, that eyesore is Christian-kitsch. Take it down, put up a windmill with spinning blades and little wooden tulips, and it will be as meaningful and slightly less tacky.

 

[notto]

That's another plain lie.

What is? Is Cy under the memorial or not?

 

[starchild]

Of course he's not. If that were so, it would be Cy's grave. But it's not, it's 'a plot' and 'a memorial.'

 

[starchild]

I see you mhatten... and I know what you're thinking:

This is the state with the Styrofoam Jesus, right?

 

[praying]

I see you mhatten... and I know what you're thinking:

This is the state with the Styrofoam Jesus, right?

LOL...Wehn I sqw the picture I thought, gee that would go great with the Styrofoam Jesus. It is utterly tacky.