Accountable for our beliefs

[variant]

The problem is that all are w/o excuse, however....the bible clearly says that. Because of that, no one will be able to go up to God on judgement day and say they couldn't see Him...

So does Al-Qu’Ran....

Are you both a Christian AND a Muslim?

There are a host of other books that say that too.

How do we evaluate whether the Bible is inspired by God, or a God?

Because thats what it says in the book?

 

[JustJack!]

Furthermore, I'ld like to know that if we can be held accountable for our beliefs, how the content of our beliefs if held to higher account than our actions.

Beliefs alone hurt no one. An idea can't hurt you. Action can and do.

The Christian "salvation plan" is a mockery of justice at all levels, and goes against the claimed nature of God.

 

[JustJack!]

The problem is that all are w/o excuse, however....the bible clearly says that. Because of that, no one will be able to go up to God on judgement day and say they couldn't see Him...

I see God, but I don't see Jehovah, of Jesus or Mary or any Ghosts for the matter.

And yes, I can go before your God and tell Him exactly why I didn't see Him.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

So does Al-Qu’Ran....

Are you both a Christian AND a Muslim?

There are a host of other books that say that too.

How do we evaluate whether the Bible is inspired by God, or a God?

Because thats what it says in the book?

By what God Himself has said and says now in this day...it's that simple.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

I see God, but I don't see Jehovah, of Jesus or Mary or any Ghosts for the matter.

And yes, I can go before your God and tell Him exactly why I didn't see Him.

Who do you think Jesus is? He's God. Believe me, when stand before Him...you won't be saying much of anything.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Furthermore, I'ld like to know that if we can be held accountable for our beliefs, how the content of our beliefs if held to higher account than our actions.

Beliefs alone hurt no one. An idea can't hurt you. Action can and do.

The Christian "salvation plan" is a mockery of justice at all levels, and goes against the claimed nature of God.

How can you claim it goes against the nature of a god whom you don't even know?...

 

[JustJack!]

Who do you think Jesus is?

A dead philosopher. Kinda like a Jewish Buddha.

He's God.

And I'm William Wallace.

Believe me, when stand before Him...you won't be saying much of anything.

You stand before him before, or are you just BSing me?

How can you claim it goes against the nature of a god whom you don't even know?...

For Hell to parallel God's nature, God would have to be vile, sadistic, manevolent, SOB. Now maybe He, is, but I choose to think the a Being that could create such beauty would enjoy roasting souls for all eternity over completely childish reasons.

 

[variant]

By what God Himself has said and says now in this day...it's that simple.

There have been many people to claim to either be God, or speak directly on its behalf. There have been many more to testify to miracles that prove one version of spiritual metaphysics or another. The problem is that nearly all the claims are unverifiable, and none of them fall within something like my personal experience with this universe.

So, I am left with sincere doubt. I can't merely just decide to be a particular brand of theist, as I still wouldn’t really believe in it. I would be lying to everyone and myself, to say that I actually thought like they did, when, I doubt I have anything like the capacity to do so. I would consider this pretend sort of theist to be a greater insult to your position and beliefs than my current agnosticism.

I have to treat claims equally; it's a bit of a pain to be consistent. I can no more just pick one and fly with it outside of what my personal experience tells me than you could just decide for a week to believe in Zeus (as discussed earlier).

Your claim to a doctrine with special metaphysical knowledge is a bit hollow, because, well, nearly every theist claims that their metaphysical belief system is the best.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

There have been many people to claim to either be God, or speak directly on its behalf. There have been many more to testify to miracles that prove one version of spiritual metaphysics or another. The problem is that nearly all the claims are unverifiable, and none of them fall within something like my personal experience with this universe.

So, I am left with sincere doubt. I can't merely just decide to be a particular brand of theist, as I still wouldn’t really believe in it. I would be lying to everyone and myself, to say that I actually thought like they did, when, I doubt I have anything like the capacity to do so. I would consider this pretend sort of theist to be a greater insult to your position and beliefs than my current agnosticism.

I have to treat claims equally; it's a bit of a pain to be consistent. I can no more just pick one and fly with it outside of what my personal experience tells me than you could just decide for a week to believe in Zeus (as discussed earlier).

Your claim to a doctrine with special metaphysical knowledge is a bit hollow, because, well, nearly every theist claims that their metaphysical belief system is the best.

True...a lot of people claim their way is rt...thus....you truly have to decide and you will be soley responsible for the decision you make....and to God...lack of decision is actually a decision.

 

[JustJack!]

True...a lot of people claim their way is rt...thus....you truly have to decide and you will be soley responsible for the decision you make....and to God...lack of decision is actually a decision.

So we get to burn because of no more than a simple mistake in theological belief.

Isn't your God a peach.

 

[icbeckyc]

Furthermore, I'ld like to know that if we can be held accountable for our beliefs, how the content of our beliefs if held to higher account than our actions.

Beliefs alone hurt no one. An idea can't hurt you. Action can and do.

The Christian "salvation plan" is a mockery of justice at all levels, and goes against the claimed nature of God.

If you but your beliefs and ideas into action and they are not good or true it can and do hurt.

 

[JustJack!]

If you but your beliefs and ideas into action and they are not good or true it can and do hurt.

Then judge me for those actions. Not on the beliefs themselves.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Your beliefs are illlustrated by your actions.

 

[JustJack!]

Your beliefs are illlustrated by your actions.

Ok, but what if my actions are good? Similarly, the number of Christians who are just downright horrible people and their every act is a slap in the face to Christ is not few.

The simple fact is that your religion of choice condemns people for what they believe regardless of how their actions affect other people. That is injustice.

 

[Cassiopeia]

To say that we have no control over our beliefs is to say we do not have the will to believe. To what end would a divine being create puppets?

~Casi~ (grateful for her ability to think for herself and BELIEVE)

 

[D McCloud]

To say that we have no control over our beliefs is to say we do not have the will to believe. To what end would a divine being create puppets?

~Casi~ (grateful for her ability to think for herself and BELIEVE)

I don't see the logical connection between what we want to believe and we what we actually believe.

Assuming we have any control over our destiny now, what would it matter if he created puppets or not? Would god's plan for me change if I was a puppet?

 

[D McCloud]

Your beliefs are illlustrated by your actions.

Oh really. So you have never said or done something contrary to what you believe?

 

[Cassiopeia]

I don't see the logical connection between what we want to believe and we what we actually believe.

Assuming we have any control over our destiny now, what would it matter if he created puppets or not? Would god's plan for me change if I was a puppet?

In my mind it isn't possible to believe in something I don't want to believe in. I decide what I believe in not some God. I try to put myself in the place of a being capable of creating life and I don't see the point of controling that life's every thought and action. But then I am not a control freak either

 

[D McCloud]

In my mind it isn't possible to believe in something I don't want to believe in.

I think we can only believe what we know. For instance, I don't want to believe that there are people who are deliberately deceptive. However, I know that people like this exist, and therefore i'm forced to believe it.

I decide what I believe in not some God. I try to put myself in the place of a being capable of creating life and I don't see the point of controling that life's every thought and action. But then I am not a control freak either

I personally don't care what a god wants me to believe because my beliefs don't involve one to begin with. However, I don't think we can determine the point of anything god supossedly does. If he did control our every thought and action, who's to say we would know either way.

I'm not a control freak either.

 

[Cassiopeia]

I think we can only believe what we know. For instance, I don't want to believe that there are people who are deliberately deceptive. However, I know that people like this exist, and therefore i'm forced to believe it.

Now see i don't quite agree. Any rational person who KNOWS something is true however much they wish it wasn't isn't forced into believing, they ACCEPT it. As I always tell my kids, there are NO victims here