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I would figure that if people didn't hear about hell they wouldn't have a frame of reference to coerce other people.
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I would figure that if people didn't hear about hell they wouldn't have a frame of reference to coerce other people.The joke fails if I have to explain it. If you look up funny church signs on Google images, you might see a similar one.
A person who has been truly converted to Christ (which is something only God can do in a person), then hell becomes a non-issue, because he or she is not going there.I would figure that if people didn't hear about hell they wouldn't have a frame of reference to coerce other people.
I've talked with plenty of Christian's who still to this day fear hell.A
A person who has been truly converted to Christ (which is something only God can do in a person), then hell becomes a non-issue, because he or she is not going there.
Hey, if there is the treat of going to prison, or even the death penalty if you murder someone, would you think you are being coerced into not murdering those you hate, by the criminal law?
They may not be truly converted to Christ, but have just "got" religion. Putting on the badge of Christianity doesn't make a person a true Christian.I've talked with plenty of Christian's who still to this day fear hell.
What about Christian's who commit offenses knowing they will go to hell, but at the same time acquit themselves of their action's because in their mind God forgives them.They may not be truly converted to Christ, but have just "got" religion. Putting on the badge of Christianity doesn't make a person a true Christian.
What about Christian's who commit offenses knowing they will go to hell, but at the same time acquit themselves of their action's because in their mind God forgives them.
Just as I said: not everyone who professes Christianity and puts on the "badge" is a genuine Christian. You may be describing the actions of hypocrite and not a real Christian.What about Christian's who commit offenses knowing they will go to hell, but at the same time acquit themselves of their action's because in their mind God forgives them.
It's not uncommon for Christian's to be like that. Any Christian really, the true believers are worse because they really believe they're acquitted on all accounts.Who are these unfortunate individuals, AntiCrash?
Since knowing a real Christian from a fake is wholly subjective, any believer can delude themselves that they are the chosen one's.Just as I said: not everyone who professes Christianity and puts on the "badge" is a genuine Christian. You may be describing the actions of hypocrite and not a real Christian.
I'm sure you're right. Some people claim to be Christian but still presume to take their sins lightly. However, I think it's kind of strange they would do this when Paul the Apostle tells us in the letter to the Philippians (3:12-16) that even though he knew God loved him, he didn't assume he had yet fully attained a status of salvation, or that he was yet perfected. In fact, just after Paul says this about himself, he then warns the Philippians to be careful because he knew there were some individuals among them who, although perhaps baptized and associating in the church, weren't really following God's Will:It's not uncommon for Christian's to be like that. Any Christian really, the true believers are worse because they really believe they're acquitted on all accounts.
Of course they can, and many do. But when a person is genuinely converted to Christ, they have an inner knowledge and confirmation from the Holy Spirit that they have been born again and are in the kingdom of God. A religious person who has never been through that total transformation in their heart and spirit is acting on presumption and not faith. Saving faith is given by the Holy Spirit and is not given automatically just because someone decides to "get" religion.Since knowing a real Christian from a fake is wholly subjective, any believer can delude themselves that they are the chosen one's.
Come on...It's not uncommon for Christian's to be like that. Any Christian really, the true believers are worse because they really believe they're acquitted on all accounts.
It is interesting to note that Paul said that when he was a Pharisee, he was blameless according to the Law. That means he didn't sin. Actually he lived a much more perfect and righteous life than most Christians do today! Yet, it was not good enough to save him. He believed implicitly in God and kept God's Laws to the letter, without a single fault, yet he was still lost.I'm sure you're right. Some people claim to be Christian but still presume to take their sins lightly. However, I think it's kind of strange they would do this when Paul the Apostle tells us in the letter to the Philippians (3:12-16) that even though he knew God loved him, he didn't assume he had yet fully attained a status of salvation, or that he was yet perfected. In fact, just after Paul says this about himself, he then warns the Philippians to be careful because he knew there were some individuals among them who, although perhaps baptized and associating in the church, weren't really following God's Will:
So, you're right; people who claim to be Christian, even those who think they're "true believers," need to be careful to examine their lives and hearts since apparently it appears that some will actually come up short on the Day of Judgment.
For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ... Philippians 3:18
No I do not, what I know is that Christianity tells us that there is nothing we can do to change ourselves. If we could then we would be credited for the transformational power of the spirit.Come on...
They believe God forgives when you're sorry and change your ways.
It's not a permit to sin.
You know this too.
It's always some story about a biblical character, and how they relate to us. If something is going on in your life, there's a Bible story that fit's. Forget about understanding people where they are, because someone already went through that.It is interesting to note that Paul said that when he was a Pharisee, he was blameless according to the Law. That means he didn't sin. Actually he lived a much more perfect and righteous life than most Christians do today! Yet, it was not good enough to save him. He believed implicitly in God and kept God's Laws to the letter, without a single fault, yet he was still lost.
The act of "accepting Christ" is not found in Acts. The references say that they "turned" to Christ. This means they thoroughly repented, gave up their pagan ways and turned totally to Christ. They realized that Christ came to save them from their sins and not in them.
Paul said that "there is nothing good in me", which means his sinless and lawful life was no good in God's sight. He needed a personal encounter with Christ to change his direction. But he still struggled with his flesh, because he says "there is noting good in me, that is, in my flesh." But he also said that those who live in the flesh cannot please God; in other words, they cannot be saved no matter how religious they become.
Paul had his personal encounter with Christ on the Damascus Road, but he was not converted until Ananias came and laid his hands on him and got him baptised with the Holy Spirit. That's when the transformation took place. Then, he took himself off to Arabia to spend time alone with God to bond himself into the Christian faith, and for God to complete the transformation. Then he got back to Antioch and was just a member of the group, until the Holy Spirit called him and Barnabas out for ministry.
This is so different from those who walk up to the front, make a profession of Christianity and then straightaway think they have everything and go around trying to convert others, when they are not fully converted themselves!
It's not a permit to sin.No I do not, what I know is that Christianity tells us that there is nothing we can do to change ourselves. If we could then we would be credited for the transformational power of the spirit.
No, but believer's also believe that they will sin. Even if it's not a voluntary act they still do sin. But their personal responsibility for their sins are minimized due to their belief that Jesus will forgive them.It's not a permit to sin.
You know this.
There may be people who think it is though, but i wouldn't call them Christians.
You describe a permit to sin again.No, but believer's also believe that they will sin. Even if it's not a voluntary act they still do sin. But their personal responsibility for their sins are minimized due to their belief that Jesus will forgive them.
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