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Caedmon

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The man spent $115 on tickets... and now, what is his net worth???

I'd say anything under $1000 is pocket change to him.

As far as the casting lots argument is concerned, there is no relevancy. The soldiers were gambling for Jesus' clothes as they slowly slaughtered the Savior of the world, humiliating Him. There's a slight difference between that and buying ethically neutral $1 tickets.
 
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I'd say gambling is a sin in the sense that you are trusting in these things instead of Jehovah Jireh for your provisions. It is also a sin when it becomes and addiction.

There's nothing wrong with buying a lottery ticket, filling in a lucky draw coupon or scratching a scratch-and-win card at the gas station -- let's not be so legalistic as Christ has set us free and all things are permissible but I will not be mastered by any says Paul.

But its wrong when you are doing these things habitually becos you think God cant supply your needs and you have to "help" him.

The life in Christ is one of freedom. If you need some provision and the Holy Spirit so leads you to buy a lottery ticket, then do it. This is not the same as saying that the Spirit leads us into gambling or being a gambler.
 
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The dictionary defines "gamble" as taking risks with your money, even in business ventures and deals.

So who here does not do any 'gambling'? eg when you put down money for a used-car, its a gamble whether that car will give you lots of trouble. When you buy a house, whether the value will come tumbling down in a recession. When you buy stocks and shares. When you pay for a holiday, whether it'll be what you expect. etc

The kind of gambling that God is against is illegal gambling -- cos you are not submitting to authority. And gambling that is addictive and which replaces working for a living ie addiction and laziness. Also, gambling as a source of income cos the Bible tells you to go work! Finally, gambling becos you think God cant supply your finances.

I dont think the person who won the lottery was such a person, afterall, he is a very hardworking man.
 
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I do not gamble myself because I find it to be a waste of my money. I NEVER win. I would discourage gambling which is done with moneys you NEED but when its with your surplus - *shrug* its your to play with. I will ask you though, are you as a Christian - doing as God commands up in scripture? are you caring for the widow and the orphan? If not, you need to see to that stuff first.

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NOW - as far as the Man in WV tying to donate to the Salvation Army and them saying NO - why didn't he donate ANONYMOUSLY??? What kind of credit was he looking for??
 
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Originally posted by Andrew
Some Christians have such a small heart and spirit, that when another Christian does well they must pull that Christian down.

:rolleyes:

do you actually believe that this guy was doing the work of christ by playing the lottery, and that "he did well" by winning?

and your audacity to judge the size of a christian's heart amazes me.
 
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If the point of giving is to get a tax write-off, then he isn't giving for the right reasons anyway.

So, he got the money by gambling, which shows a lack of trust in God to meet his needs, and he's giving to get a tax write-off, which shows a lack of gratitude and generosity.

Seems like he should sit down and examine what he means when he says he is a Christian.
 
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you're making an asssumption and jumping to conclusions....

let's say you win a million and you need write-offs...are you going to give away $100,000 anonymously?

the point of the giving is not specifically the write off, but whn giving a six figure amount, why not take the write off? How many people on this board give to their church by check so they have a record for charitable contributions at the end of the year?

when is the last time you gave away $100,000? :)
I haven't either, but I don't feel i have any business criticizing someone who does give away that much
 
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Originally posted by cenimo
lambslove


you're making an asssumption and jumping to conclusions....

let's say you win a million and you need write-offs...are you going to give away $100,000 anonymously?

the point of the giving is not specifically the write off, but whn giving a six figure amount, why not take the write off? How many people on this board give to their church by check so they have a record for charitable contributions at the end of the year?

when is the last time you gave away $100,000? :)
I haven't either, but I don't feel i have any business criticizing someone who does give away that much

:eek:

Wait a minute... cenimo and I just agreed on something...

Quick, somebody write that down. It'll never happen again. :D
 
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Originally posted by Andrew
Some Christians have such a small heart and spirit, that when another Christian does well they must pull that Christian down.

do you actually believe that this guy was doing the work of christ by playing the lottery, and that "he did well" by winning?

and your audacity to judge the size of a christian's heart amazes me.

pls dont be another Sri Lankan crab! *L

oh come on, everyone here gambles to some extent.

Gamble = to part with money in a venture that has a certain amount of risk. eg buying a used car, buying a property, stocks and shares, etc.

quit being so legalistic and stop defaming the brother by calling him a "gambler". So if you participate in lucky draws when you go shopping and like to scratch those sctrach and win cards, I shld call you a gambler??? oh pleeeeeeze

if its so wrong to judge one another here, then quit the double standards and stop judging Christians outside this forum!
 
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Or maybe just maybe he read his Bible...

My response to Alledged "gambling": Didn't the Apostles themselves "cast lots" (i.e. gamble, shoot craps, whatever) to pick another Apostle? Acts 1:23-26 What was their reason again? So why is everyone harping on this man?

My response to his ticket: If you accept the free gift of salvation worth much more than silver or gold, why get upset when this man accepts a free lotto ticket? Has it become a sin to accept gifts and I was left out?

Response to "tax-exemption" : Maybe he was following where God teaches us to be good stewards (wise) with our finances. Remember the parable of the talents in Matthew 25:14-30? Remember how the "Lord" (symbolic of God) tells the one who took what he was given and earned 2 times as much "well done good and faithful servant. You have been faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge on many things. Come and share in your master's happiness?" Maybe you should ask yourselves the questions in Matthew 20:15 (symbolic God speaking again) "Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?" If you don't have to "render unto Ceasar" a lot, why would you more than you have to?

And some more thoughts... Gambling is viewed as a sin because it is based off the love of money. Riches are uncertain themselves so the fact that you have money means that you are already gambling your wealth, because all money is "uncertain" from day to day. Additionally, gambling is not a wise investment... therefore it is discouraged. Yet never forbidden... If it is, please give me a Bible verse which says not too gamble. :) Have a great day!
 
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"So if you participate in lucky draws when you go shopping and like to scratch those sctrach and win cards, I shld call you a gambler??? "

In my opinion, that one dollar I spend on the lottery is one dollar I can use to buy food for the starving or clothes and help for those with none. I have never played in the lottery, nor will I ever. I have better things to do with the blessings God gave me then throw them away on a 1 in 1 million chance knowing I have a 1 in 1 chance to use it to make a difference is someone's life :)
 
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Somebody is generally going to win the lottery, and I would rather have it be a Christian than not.

I am pretty much in the 'morally neutral' camp when it comes to gambling. "The lot is cast into the lap, but the whole disposing thereof is the Lord's."

I would like to point out one thing - that tithing is not a New Covenant concept. It was part of the OT Law that was fulfilled on our behalf in the death and resurrection of Christ. The tithe was not given to pay a pastor's salary. It was set aside to give the Israelite supplies or money with which to worship God three times a year at the feasts of God in Jerusalem. Every third year it did go into the storehouse, but there is no reason we should assume that storehouse = local church. That's an assumption made on the part of churches, but you will not even find proof that NT churches had buildings, let alone $12-million-a-year budgets.

If tithing is to be imposed on the NC church, Paul is at best irresponsible for not teaching Gentiles through the scripture what tithing was - he said to give what you've decided in your heart, and nowhere mentioned a tithe.

What Paul does teach is giving. Generous, abundant, heartfelt giving. Give as much as it's in your heart to give. Whatever you decide. What bothers me about this man is that he might think that because he gave 10% he's off the hook. You know what? Someone with 170 million ought to be able to chip in a bit more than 17. But I can't criticize his giving - nor will I. It's just that he's been taught the Law all his life when it comes to giving, rather than letting the grace of God prevail. So when it comes time to giving, he's now limited to that 10% because he's 'done his duty.' Something about that bothers me.

So I'm glad he gave, but I'm upset that he called it a tithe. That's wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

To anyone who disagrees, please read what the OT says about tithing before you yell at me. It's all right there in Deuteronomy. I'm happy to show you. But that's the part pastors never preach on - God forbid there'd come a day when they couldn't count on your 10%. They misquote Malachi as if it was said to the church and tell people to give before paying their electric bills, while the pastors wear suits and drive new cars and there are people in their congregations with no cars at all.

In my opinion giving is one of the most mistaught concepts in all of Christianity. I am sorry if I offended, but my position is biblical. We should be doing what the bible actually says, not what we think the bible says.

MG
 
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