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Abstinence Only

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Is abstinence the only way to keep yourself from pregnancy and any number of VDs? Most certainly.
The problem comes in the nature of kids. We can lay down all the rules we want, but many of them are going to break them at some point. Students are going to have sex. If not in high school, then in college. Not all of them, sure, but enough of them. The way I see it, we can send them out into the probability of having sex without any idea how to protect themselves or they can go with that knowledge so that when they do have sex, they'll be safe.
Many people have said that sex education and contraception will only inspire them to have more sex, but really, they're going to have sex either way. They can either be educated and safe or un-educated and more vulnerable to pregnancy and disease.

Where I went to school, we were told that abstinence is %100 effective while being told how to use protection. They placed emphasis on the importance of being smart with our sexual decisions, the importance of condom-use and the importance of getting tested as well as being honest with your sexual partner.
It's not been my experience that anyone left class thinking, "Wow, this is so great! I'm going to go be the town bicycle!" It's been my experience that people left with the knowledge they needed to engage in healthy sexual practices.

There are those that will wait till marriage, but there are far too many who won't, regardless of being told to wait or not, for our country to not educate them about protection. I'd say that it's unethical to leave students un-aware and under-educated of these highly important things. We can't just assume that everyone, or even most people, will be abstinent just because they're told to. And we can't deny that many kids are going to have pre-marital relations. Telling them how to be safe doesn't endorse pre-marital sex. It simply equips them for when do have sex.

To wit: I've always always used a condom and I get tested. I'm clean. And I owe that to the quality education I had.

MoonLancer said it more succinctly than I:
very naive and dumb to expect everyone to remain abstinent. Thats why abstinence only education ends up failing compared to other forms of sex ed.
 
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or for using a condom that broke....

Willpower involved in "abstinence only" fails more often than condoms break. Way more often. Or else the companies that make condoms would be sued into the dirt.
 
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I think the 'abstinence only' education starts from the wrong position. It starts from how the world should be (in the eyes of its supporters, I don't agree) rather than how it actually is. Teenagers have sex with each other. Deal with it. Literally, let's deal with it; teach young people about safe sex and relationship issues. It seems to me the abstinence movement is little more than burying your head in the sand.
 
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Abstinence is definitely the smartest way! :)
I disagree strongly. Sex is excellent fun... and as a 31 year old man who's never been married I'd have missed out on all those experiences if I was remaining abstinate.

(Also, in all my experiences I've never caught a disease from sex and I've never got a girl pregnant.)
 
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I think the 'abstinence only' education starts from the wrong position. It starts from how the world should be (in the eyes of its supporters, I don't agree) rather than how it actually is. Teenagers have sex with each other. Deal with it. Literally, let's deal with it; teach young people about safe sex and relationship issues. It seems to me the abstinence movement is little more than burying your head in the sand.

You got me thinking. So a question to those who have actually experienced an AO sexual education class. Did it even admit to the real world in the sense that it admits others will be having sex and enjoying it? And the kinds of preasure one is apt to experience? I'm just wondering how many even start from a real world perspective for someone who has already decided abstinence is the way for them to go.
 
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You got me thinking. So a question to those who have actually experienced an AO sexual education class. Did it even admit to the real world in the sense that it admits others will be having sex and enjoying it? And the kinds of preasure one is apt to experience? I'm just wondering how many even start from a real world perspective for someone who has already decided abstinence is the way for them to go.
My daughters went through AO and their answer, if I can speak for them, would be "no". In fact, they said it was pertty much a joke, not only amongst the student body but amongst the teachers. Moreover, when they weren;t mocking the ciriculum, they (the teachers) were very frustrated by it precisely because it did not address reality.

Keith - I really like your comments in post #22. I would agree 100%. My girls remained abstinent through high school and it had nothing to do with AO education or false and coerced pledges. It had to do 100% with our interaction adn communication as a family.
 
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I'm not sure that the abstinence part of the discussion is bad - it's the "only" part. From the discussion here, it's pretty clear that AO isn't exactly working, and there's a need for some kind of education. I think that the tendency is to assume that it ought to be about safe-sex practices. I don't think it's wrong for our kids to know about safe-sex. However, I think it's still missing the point.

What about teaching them about how to be healthy sexual human beings? What about the connections between sexuality and spirituality? Maybe education about how emotionally healthy relationships are built, or education about how to express their sexuality (which is just part of being human) without having sex or participating in risky behaviors?

I think we don't tell the truth because sometimes, we don't know it. And sometimes, we experience shame from our own past decisions that gets in the way of being honest. What is missing from the equation with AO is honesty about how we're put together as human beings, and how we can still choose God's way without denying that we are still sexual to our very core.
 
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I'm not sure that the abstinence part of the discussion is bad - it's the "only" part.

No doubt about this! Abstinence is the ONLY 100% way to ensure you don't get an STD (baring extraordinary circumstances) or pregnant but it's irresponsible to think that you can only teach that and it'd be fine.
 
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People claim it's 100% foolproof...which is true if the people involved can keep with it. If someone who's abstinent has even a momentary lapse, decides to have sex, and breaks it they've now entered into a world they are COMPLETELY unprepared for. How is abstinence supposed to help someone who cant/wont abide by it, what do you do in that case?
This type of argument is the same logic that bugs me about dieting. I see comercials where some actor posing as a happy consumer of a product saying "I tried dieting, but that didn't work..."

How can it not work? If you stick to it, it does. Point blank.

It's like saying "I tried monogamy, but it just doesn't work. That's why people cheat."

That's all bull. Just because you have no self-control over your urges, doesn't mean that these things don't work.

The only reason to teach safe sex/birth control, is because teens will want to have sex, and don't care about abstinence. Abstinence is not cool, not fun, and draws derision from peers.
 
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This type of argument is the same logic that bugs me about dieting. I see comercials where some actor posing as a happy consumer of a product saying "I tried dieting, but that didn't work..."

How can it not work? If you stick to it, it does. Point blank.
Right...I'm not contending that it doesnt work. I'm contending that it's a dumb idea to expect that everyone will stick to it and to NOT give people other information to prepare them for sex if for some reason they cant or dont want to stick with it.

That's all bull. Just because you have no self-control over your urges, doesn't mean that these things don't work.
So people who dont want to be abstinent are somehow...what? Less than you because you have all this self control?

Looking down your nose at people who don't want to be abstinent is a pretty crappy thing to do. Abstinence is a lifestyle and like all lifestyles, some people can roll with it, others cant and I don't think its far to sneer at people who feel it isn't for them. Just as it isn't fair to sneer at people who DO choose to be abstinent.

The only reason to teach safe sex/birth control, is because teens will want to have sex, and don't care about abstinence. Abstinence is not cool, not fun, and draws derision from peers.
Abstinence ISNT any fun, I found it quite deleterious to my mental health.

No it isnt fair that teens will mistreat someone who does chose to be abstinent but there's little you can actually do about that
 
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Right...I'm not contending that it doesnt work. I'm contending that it's a dumb idea to expect that everyone will stick to it and to NOT give people other information to prepare them for sex if for some reason they cant or dont want to stick with it.
True.

So people who dont want to be abstinent are somehow...what? Less than you because you have all this self control?

Looking down your nose at people who don't want to be abstinent is a pretty crappy thing to do. Abstinence is a lifestyle and like all lifestyles, some people can roll with it, others cant and I don't think its far to sneer at people who feel it isn't for them. Just as it isn't fair to sneer at people who DO choose to be abstinent.
Who's "sneering" at people? If people want to have sex, let them be on their jolly way. My point simply is, that the abstinence only method isn't flawed. Teaching abstinence only is flawed, because it's incomplete, and expects everyone to follow the same way of life. But I'm not "sneering" at anyone.

Abstinence ISNT any fun, I found it quite deleterious to my mental health.

No it isnt fair that teens will mistreat someone who does chose to be abstinent but there's little you can actually do about that
Okay.
 
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It is the responsibilty of all good parents to educate their children about ALL aspects of sex and relationships. We should empower our kids to say 'no' to sexual relationships until they are emotionally mature enough to handle them safely. When our daughters, who are now in their 30s, were young no topic was taboo, we had some very interesting meal time discussions. It seemed to pay off as far as I know none of them had a sexual relationship until they were 18+.
 
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Who's "sneering" at people? If people want to have sex, let them be on their jolly way. My point simply is, that the abstinence only method isn't flawed. Teaching abstinence only is flawed, because it's incomplete, and expects everyone to follow the same way of life. But I'm not "sneering" at anyone.
Ok, you gave off the impression earlier that you were in favor of abstinence only and I misinterpreted what you said, my bad.

I am also in favor of teaching abstinence as one method but accompanying it with better information.
 
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