Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

Apple Sky · May 16, 2024

prodromos said:
So explain it.

King James Bible
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

King James Bible
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

King James Bible
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

prodromos · May 16, 2024

Apple Sky said:
King James Bible
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

King James Bible
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

King James Bible
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

I ask for an explanation and your response is to give no explanation. Really helpful.

trophy33 · May 16, 2024

Apple Sky said:
You misunderstand.

So which is it - is the firmament hard and makes space rockets to explode when they crash into it or is it something the Sun, the Moon and stars can move in like fish in a sea.

Or is it like a LED screen on which the moving lights are only projected and not really existing as separate entities? Try a bit a and come with something consistent.

Apple Sky · May 17, 2024

trophy33 said:
or is it something the Sun, the Moon and stars can move in like fish in a sea.

Not far off the mark, it is like a fish bowl ( remember operation fish bowl)

Apple Sky · May 17, 2024

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prodromos · May 17, 2024

Apple Sky said:
King James Bible
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

How does God respond to everything Elihu has said to Job in chapters 32-37?

GOD in Job 38:2 said:
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

I think that succinctly sums up the flat earthers approach to Scripture.

Apple Sky · May 17, 2024

prodromos said:
How does God respond to everything Elihu has said to Job in chapters 32-37?

I think that succinctly sums up the flat earthers approach to Scripture.

Okay fair enough but this doesn't mean there is no firmament with waters above.

King James Bible
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

King James Bible
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

trophy33 · May 17, 2024

Apple Sky said:
Not far off the mark, it is like a fish bowl ( remember operation fish bowl)

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Your drawing is wrong again - Sun and moon are placed under the firmament, not into it. If this was true, we could go above and behind the sun and moon with planes, balloons, satellites or rockets, which is something you deny, right?

Another problem apparent immediately is that this model makes eclipses impossible. Also, the problem with gravity - why moon and sun just hold "up there", while everything else falls down?

Also, both the sun and moon would be visible all the time from all places - no sunsets ever.

Try to come up with something much better. This one is neither biblical, nor working.

trophy33 · May 17, 2024

Apple Sky said:
A survey of five million solar systems, aided by algorithms, has discovered 60 stars that appear to be partially covered by gigantic alien power plants called 'Dyson spheres

If confirmed, that would be the first real evidence of intelligent alien life. And of the one more advanced than us.

Apple Sky · May 17, 2024

trophy33 said:
Your drawing is wrong again - Sun and moon are placed under the firmament,

No they are not.

trophy33 said:
Your drawing is wrong again - Sun and moon are placed under the firmament, not into it. If this was true, we could go above and behind the sun and moon with planes, balloons, satellites or rockets, which is something you deny, right?

No you can't as there is water above it.

trophy33 said:
Also, the problem with gravity - why moon and sun just hold "up there", while everything else falls down?

No such thing as gravity, it's just a theory.

trophy33 · May 17, 2024

Apple Sky said:
No they are not.

Yes they are.

Apple Sky said:
No you can't as there is water above it.

So your picture is false?

Apple Sky said:
No such thing as gravity, it's just a theory.

Try to jump.

Also, your picture is obviously wrong because of eclipses, because of sunsets and because we could see both the sun and the moon all the time with a clear sky or when above clouds, for example from a plane.

Reasonably Sane · May 17, 2024

I remember the first youtube video I saw claiming the earth was flat. I honestly thought it was satire. I then theorized (jokingly, really) those videos were someone's attempt to see just how gullible some people could be and how wide such a belief could be spread on the internet.

And here we are. Now I know why the biblical analogy for human beings is "sheep". We'll fall for anything in an intellectual vacuum.

But I think the real problem these days goes deeper, and here is, IMO, its core: One thing that has been exposed over the last few dozen years is just how much we've been lied to about various historical (or sometimes current) events. In effect, it has made everything we've believed for centuries or even millennia come into question. Even stuff well established scientifically. Heck, once we theorized that the earth was round, many centuries ago, we were able to fairly accurately predict its circumference. To suggest all of that is just a conspiracy literally defies logic. But then, logic is one thing that has been thrown out the window in many areas of late. The problem is not that there is no information. We have almost too much information, if that were possible. The problem is that we simply stop listening to people we disagree with.

If it were not so serious it would be the height of comedy. And this thread was started in the spirit of comedy.

JulieB67 · May 17, 2024

Apple Sky said:
Never heard of the guy until now so I don't know.

This is my point. You've never heard of him and yet want us to believe that all of the astronauts are in on it. And only those at the top and whose "daddy's" are free masons even make it.

Jose Hernandez did become an astronaut, his family was from Mexico and he worked on farms when he was younger -dreaming as I stated of one day becoming an astronaut and did in fact achieve that dream.

And your saying, what? He also caved in on this huge scam/sham of the century? Again, not believable. You've never even heard of him but have no problem generalizing the entire bunch. The point is these astronauts are from all walks of life and your asking us to believe that they are all in on it. Everyone. There is absolutely no reason Jose Hernandez would be in on this. He wasn't from a prominent family, etc. His family were migrant workers and harvested crops and went from town to town. I doubt very seriously his father was a free mason.

This is just one example.

Apple Sky · May 17, 2024

trophy33 said:
Sun and moon are placed under the firmament, not into it. If this was true, we could go above and behind the sun and moon with planes, balloons, satellites or rockets,

Well I suppose you could but what about the water over the firmament ?

trophy33 · May 17, 2024

Apple Sky said:
Well I suppose you could but what about the water over the firmament ?

Do not ask me, its your picture.

Apple Sky · May 17, 2024

JulieB67 said:
This is my point. You've never heard of him and yet want us to believe that all of the astronauts are in on it. And only those at the top and whose "daddy's" are free masons even make it.

Jose Hernandez did become an astronaut, his family was from Mexico and he worked on farms when he was younger -dreaming as I stated of one day becoming an astronaut and did in fact achieve that dream.

And your saying, what? He also caved in on this huge scam/sham of the century? Again, not believable. You've never even heard of him but have no problem generalizing the entire bunch. The point is these astronauts are from all walks of life and your asking us to believe that they are all in on it. Everyone. There is absolutely no reason Jose Hernandez would be in on this. He wasn't from a prominent family, etc. His family were migrant workers and harvested crops and went from town to town. I doubt very seriously his father was a free mason.

This is just one example.

Well, who ever he is he hasn't been further than the stratosphere, none of them have.

Apple Sky · May 17, 2024

trophy33 said:
Do not ask me, its your picture.

I was more or less saying 'don't be so ridiculous'.

trophy33 · May 17, 2024

Apple Sky said:
I was more or less saying 'don't be so ridiculous'.

Your picture is ridiculous. Just look at it. Its neither biblical nor working. The sun and the moon are under the firmament and there is plenty of space above them. No sunsets or eclipses possible. Etc.

Apple Sky · May 17, 2024

trophy33 said:
Your picture is ridiculous. Just look at it. Its neither biblical nor working.

No more ridiculous than your spinning globe, which you claim is orbiting the sun to which it is definitely not biblical.

prodromos · May 17, 2024

Apple Sky said:
No more ridiculous than your spinning globe, which you claim is orbiting the sun to which it is definitely not biblical.

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The earth is not spinning as flat earthers love to falsely depict it, it is rotating at half the speed of the hour hand on a clock.

The computer or smart phone you use for posting on this forum is definitely not biblical either, yet here you are. Do you deny the reality of what you are engaged in because it is "not biblical"?

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