Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

trophy33 · Apr 23, 2024

d taylor said:
There is nothing, absolutely nothing in your library I need to read.

You obviously do, if you think that these concepts are not commonly known. You do not need to read and believe everything there is, but you should be at least educated enough to have a broader perspective.

Being isolated in a bubble and ignorant does not work for truth searching.

Strong in Him · Apr 24, 2024

Apple Sky said:
They are liars, nobody has walked on the moon, end of

There you are then - dismissing eye witness testimony, even that of Christians. You have also, by that statement, dismissed all the books that have been written, the programmes made, the interviews given - even the clips on YouTube - about the moon landings. You have done this without being willing to ask yourself why so many people from different countries and backgrounds would lie, how no tv maker, editor, publisher etc never found them out.

The argument "they are all liars" is the same one that many non Christians give about the Bible, or Christian testimony that God is real. At least some non Christians are honest, and interested, enough to want to discuss that claim and be persuaded otherwise.

Apple Sky said:
That's because nobody has proved it's a sphere.

No one's proved to YOU that it is a sphere - but that's because you dismiss all photos as fakes, and you are afraid to consider any evidence in case it disproves your theory.

Apple Sky said:
I don't think God talks to me, I know that he does, doesn't God talk to you ?

Yes, of course he does.
He tells me how he wants me to serve him, he tells me things about himself, he teaches me things from, and about, the Bible.
He doesn't give people geography lessons, and he doesn't tell people things which aren't true.

There ARE people who would go to Antarctica to disprove your claim that is has "thick ice walls around it and is guarded by the military."
They've possibly already been and have photos.
If these people were unbelievers, they would probably tell you that, as you were wrong about Antarctica, they could never believe anything else you told them. This would be a big problem for you if you ever wanted to talk to them about God and spread the Gospel as Jesus told us to.
But maybe the so called "Gospel" of a flat earth is more important to you than obeying God.

Apple Sky · Apr 24, 2024

trophy33 said:
Being isolated in a bubble and ignorant does not work for truth searching.

Just b/c we believe in a flat earth, I wouldn't say that we are ignorant in a bubble, If anything I'd say we are more tuned in than most.
And as for truth searching I reckon one should learn how to connect the dots.

Strong in Him · Apr 24, 2024

d taylor said:
This is simply not the correct understanding of the unforgivable sin (blasphemy of The Holy Spirit).

Mark 3:22.
Jesus had been driving out evil spirits and the Pharisees said "he is possessed by Beelzebub (the devil) and driving out demons by the prince of demons.
Jesus replied that it was impossible for Satan to drive out Satan. If he tried, that would mean that he was divided, would not be able to stand and would be destroyed. Then he said that blasphemies against the Son of Man would be forgiven, but blasphemies against the Holy Spirit wouldn't be. Mark 3:30 says "he said this because people were saying 'he has an unclean spirit'."

If people can see/hear of something amazing, disregard the testimony that it is from God but instead say that it is from Satan, that is the unforgiveable sin - crediting the devil for God's power/blessing/provision.
And disregarding the testimony of a born again Christian, saying it, and any photographs etc are lies - when it is the devil who is the father of lies - comes very close to that.

Strong in Him · Apr 24, 2024

d taylor said:
There is nothing, absolutely nothing in your library I need to read.

It sounds like there is, but, clearly, you're not going to read it.

Strong in Him · Apr 24, 2024

Apple Sky said:
Just b/c we believe in a flat earth, I wouldn't say that we are ignorant in a bubble, If anything I'd say we are more tuned in than most.
And as for truth searching I reckon one should learn how to connect the dots.

You're connecting dots that aren't even there.

Apple Sky · Apr 24, 2024

Strong in Him said:
There you are then - dismissing eye witness testimony, even that of Christians.

To lie to that extent I wouldn't class them as a Christian's.

Strong in Him said:
No one's proved to YOU that it is a sphere - but that's because you dismiss all photos as fakes, and you are afraid to consider any evidence in case it disproves your theory.

NASA's evidence is a joke.

Strong in Him said:
He tells me how he wants me to serve him, he tells me things about himself, he teaches me things from, and about, the Bible.
He doesn't give people geography lessons,

So in your eyes, God didn't tell & show Moses the promised land.

Strong in Him said:
There ARE people who would go to Antarctica to disprove your claim that is has "thick ice walls around it and is guarded by the military."

You seem to be obsessed by Antarctica. These iced walls are guarded by the military from many different nations, as the Antarctic treaty was signed in the late 50's by every nation from around the world.
This was done b/c of Byrd's findings.

Strong in Him said:
But maybe the so called "Gospel" of a flat earth is more important to you than obeying God.

No it's not, obeying God is what I'm doing.

Apple Sky · Apr 24, 2024

Strong in Him said:
You're connecting dots that aren't even there.

Say's you.

Strong in Him · Apr 24, 2024

Apple Sky said:
To lie to that extent I wouldn't class them as a Christian's.

What YOU would class them as doesn't mean a thing.

Apple Sky said:
NASA's evidence is a joke.

Forgive me if I don't believe someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Apple Sky said:
So in your eyes, God didn't tell & show Moses the promised land.

Of course he did; that's written in the Bible, and I read, and believe, the Bible.
Why on earth would you think otherwise?

Apple Sky said:
You seem to be obsessed by Antarctica.

Because neither of us will ever go to the moon, and you flatly refuse to believe the evidence of those who did go.

Anyone can go to Antarctica. It is the one claim which you have made which can be proved, or disproved, by someone simply going there, seeing for themselves and taking photos. It would have to be you who went there, as well, since you refuse to believe evidence from anyone else - although you might accept the word of another flat earther.
But you won't even do this.

Apple Sky said:
These iced walls are guarded by the military from many different nations, as the Antarctic treaty was signed in the late 50's by every nation from around the world.

Prove it.

d taylor · Apr 24, 2024

Strong in Him said:
Mark 3:22.
Jesus had been driving out evil spirits and the Pharisees said "he is possessed by Beelzebub (the devil) and driving out demons by the prince of demons.
Jesus replied that it was impossible for Satan to drive out Satan. If he tried, that would mean that he was divided, would not be able to stand and would be destroyed. Then he said that blasphemies against the Son of Man would be forgiven, but blasphemies against the Holy Spirit wouldn't be. Mark 3:30 says "he said this because people were saying 'he has an unclean spirit'."

If people can see/hear of something amazing, disregard the testimony that it is from God but instead say that it is from Satan, that is the unforgiveable sin - crediting the devil for God's power/blessing/provision.
And disregarding the testimony of a born again Christian, saying it, and any photographs etc are lies - when it is the devil who is the father of lies - comes very close to that.

No it is not, this sin in The Bible, is found only in the context of the Jewish leaders saying Jesus did His miracles by the power of the prince of demons.

This has absolutely nothing to do with people hearing or seeing testimonies from God.

Strong in Him · Apr 24, 2024

d taylor said:
No it is not, this sin in The Bible, is found only in the context of the Jewish leaders saying Jesus did His miracles by the power of the prince of demons.

This has absolutely nothing to do with people hearing or seeing testimonies from God.

If you say so.

d taylor · Apr 24, 2024

Strong in Him said:
It sounds like there is, but, clearly, you're not going to read it.

What is so funny is that what you believe about God's creation is not even scientific or Biblical.

Because science states the globe earth was a floating rock millions of years before water even appeared on the floating rock earth

Strong in Him · Apr 24, 2024

d taylor said:
What is so funny is that what you believe about God's creation is not even scientific or Biblical.

Ditto.
The bible doesn't say that the earth is flat. And if God wanted us to know, or it was important for our faith and spiritual health; he'd have told us.

trophy33 · Apr 24, 2024

Apple Sky said:
Just b/c we believe in a flat earth, I wouldn't say that we are ignorant in a bubble, If anything I'd say we are more tuned in than most.
And as for truth searching I reckon one should learn how to connect the dots.

If you were more tuned in than most, you would factually know more than most. But because you lack basic understanding and even common knowledge or answers to simple questions, I will go with calling it ignorance and being in a bubble.

trophy33 · Apr 24, 2024

d taylor said:
Because science states the globe earth was a floating rock millions of years before water even appeared on the floating rock earth

No, science does not state that the globe earth was or even is a floating rock.

Early Earth was molten due to extreme volcanism and frequent collisions with other bodies. A giant impact with a Mars-sized object is thought to have formed the Moon.

As Earth cooled over millions of years, a solid crust formed, allowing liquid water to exist on the surface.

History of Earth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And even today, the planet is not some "floating rock", but still "alive", with a hot core and wild magmatic processes under our feet.

d taylor · Apr 24, 2024

Strong in Him said:
Ditto.
The bible doesn't say that the earth is flat. And if God wanted us to know, or it was important for our faith and spiritual health; he'd have told us.

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Oh, but the words used to describe God's creation throughout The Bible. Better fit, a stationary, single, circular, flat area of land with the sun, moon and stars (created lights) placed in the raqia (sky) moving over the stationary earth. Which these created lights, were created to give light to the earth.

Even Revelation states the earth is a plain.

Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

platos: breadth
Original Word: πλάτος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: platos
Phonetic Spelling: (plat'-os)
Definition: breadth
Usage: breadth.

Word Origin
from platus
Definition
breadth
NASB Translation
breadth (1), broad plain (1), width (2).

trophy33 · Apr 24, 2024

d taylor said:
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Oh, but the words used to describe God's creation throughout The Bible. Better fit, a stationary, single, circular, flat area of land with the sun, moon and stars (created lights) placed in the raqia (sky) moving over the stationary earth. Which these created lights, were created to give light to the earth.

Even Revelation states the earth is a plain.

Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

platos: breadth
Original Word: πλάτος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: platos
Phonetic Spelling: (plat'-os)
Definition: breadth
Usage: breadth.

Word Origin
from platus
Definition
breadth
NASB Translation
breadth (1), broad plain (1), width (2).

The context is not the planet, but the land surrounding Jerusalem.

The word "earth" here does not mean the globe, but the Jewish land. Imagine John seeing marching Roman legions as far as he could see and you will understand the vision better. The point of view is not from the ISS orbiting our planet.

d taylor · Apr 24, 2024

trophy33 said:
The context is not the planet, but the land surrounding Jerusalem.

The word "earth" here does not mean the globe, but the Jewish land. Imagine John seeing marching Roman legions as far as he could see and you will understand the vision better.

Are you a Universalists

trophy33 · Apr 24, 2024

d taylor said:
Are you a Universalists

In what context?

d taylor · Apr 24, 2024

trophy33 said:
In what context?

Do you ascribe to the universalism theology

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