Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

Apple Sky said:

Lol'z @ 20:45 they are supposed to have confirmed the big bang theory, no mention of God.
They never miss an opportunity to hide God.

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Yes they can not help but lie, even when they are actually showing something that they actually do, launch satellites into the sky with balloons.

Apple Sky said:

Billioare Jared Isaacson paid 220 million dolars to fund the flight, at the end of the video the women states this flight was part of fund raising effort for st Jude children hospitals.
Wouldn't it have been better for Jared just to give his 220 million straight to the hospital ??

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Like the balloon video i showed. I am guessing they went up in a balloon. Took their deceptive photos fish eye lens etc.. and came back down. Edited this all together included a shot of a rocket being launched into the sky and voilà you have your 200 million dollar civilians to space deception.

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Like the balloon video i showed. I am guessing they went up in a balloon. Took their deceptive photos fish eye lens etc.. and came back down. Edited this all together included a shot of a rocket being launched into the sky and voilà you have your 200 million dollar civilians to space deception.

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This wouldn't surprise me one bit, DECEPTION is NASA's middle name.

Apple Sky said:

This wouldn't surprise me one bit, DECEPTION is NASA's middle name.

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I believe this was under the name of space x, but really they are all connected

They use the same hair stylist

d taylor said:

I believe this was under the name of space x, but really they are all connected

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Elon Musk - Say no more.

prodromos said:

If that's what he meant, he should state it as such, but it really did not come across that way to me.

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Because you're looking for uncharitable easy wins instead of dealing with the arguments in a fair way.

You people believe in dark matter for goodness sake. Have some humility.

prodromos said:

I understood it the first time and it is complete bunk. There is no correlation between crepuscular rays and how the stars appear.

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That's not an argument. You're just asserting things as usual.

The correlation is that both the crepuscular rays and the stars are.... wait for it... they are both in the sky. So easy a 3 year old could understand.

prodromos said:

There is no stretching of the stars overhead or shrinking near the poles as you would expect with perspective. His explanation is irrational nonsense.

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Non-argument. Assertions. Rinse. Repeat.

prodromos said:

It's as bad as the claim by Pastor Dean Odle when he thought the twisting of light by magnetic fields would cause the moon to appear upside down when viewed South of the equator.

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You believe in dark matter.

lifepsyop said:

Because you're looking for uncharitable easy wins instead of dealing with the arguments in a fair way.

You people believe in dark matter for goodness sake. Have some humility.



That's not an argument. You're just asserting things as usual.

The correlation is that both the crepuscular rays and the stars are.... wait for it... they are both in the sky. So easy a 3 year old could understand.



Non-argument. Assertions. Rinse. Repeat.



You believe in dark matter.

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Not only are the rays in the sky, the sun is itself, exactly where God placed it, also known as the raqia or heaven.

lifepsyop said:

Because you're looking for uncharitable easy wins instead of dealing with the arguments in a fair way.

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It is hard to be charitable with such nonsense.

lifepsyop said:

You people believe in dark matter for goodness sake. Have some humility.

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Who is "you people"? As far as I am aware, "dark matter" is a theory that has been put forward by some physicists, but it isn't something I've looked into, let alone 'believe in it'. Take your strawman elsewhere.

lifepsyop said:

That's not an argument. You're just asserting things as usual.

The correlation is that both the crepuscular rays and the stars are.... wait for it... they are both in the sky. So easy a 3 year old could understand.

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Your argument is obviously aimed at the education level of a three year old.

lifepsyop said:

Non-argument. Assertions. Rinse. Repeat.

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That is your assertion.

lifepsyop said:

You believe in dark matter.

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Another false assertion.

I note that you have nothing to say about one of the videos you posted falsely claiming a personal dome view, yet you posted that video as a good explanation as to how things can appear as they do on a flat earth.

prodromos said:

Your argument is obviously aimed at the education level of a three year old.

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Both the crepuscular-anticrepuscular rays of the sun and the expanse of stars are both elements in the sky that extend beyond our visual space, from horizon to horizon. Visually they are very related.

That is the correlation that a small child could understand, that you somehow cannot grasp?

Apple Sky said:

It's a matter perspective; This has been explained before..........

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Yes, you have shown this video before. No, it does not explain how sunset works on a flat earth.

I thought I would try to understand what is going on in this video as it seems to offer a plausible explanation - sort of. On looking at it again, there is a classic 'slight of hand'.

Summary: This illusion works by starting with the sun going around in a circle to going. Then after being distracted by explaining perspective, changes to a straight line and hoping no one notices this switch. (But even if the sun was going in a straight line, there are other reasons why that cannot work).

1) The YouTube video starts by stating that the sun is above the flat earth and moves around in a circle at a constant height. Seems reasonable for a flat earth explanation. One 'minor' niggle: the area being lit up should be a semi-circle, with the middle of the straight section being approximately above the North Pole (centre of the flat earth). Not some roundish 'blob'. One of the graphics in post #2,431 (@lifesyop) gives this height at 3,100 miles. (This is not a random height, but is a possible alternative based on Eratosthenes calculations).

2) Later on, the video claims that the sun travels at over 1,000 mph. The equator is 24,900 miles in circumference, so for the sun to travel around the equator, it would need to travel at over 1,000 mph. About 1040 mph - but this would vary slightly throughout the year. So, this speed does make sense for a flat earth.

3) Next, the video explains in tedious detail how 'perspective' works. Again, this is a reasonable explanation. It gives several examples including several street lamps.

4) The video then applies perspective to the sun moving in a straight line.

Note the subtle switch? From moving in a circle to a straight line.

5) But, the observant reader will cry, a short section of a circle will look light a straight line. After all, this is the argument that global believers use to explain why the horizon on a globe looks flat. So, is the OK - lets now look at scale. Is this straight movement just a short segment of the sun's circular movement?

4) The lamps on the street lamps shining down represent the sun. You need to imagine the street lights being 3,100 miles high. The distance from one lamp to the next is usually greater than their hight (if a lamp falls over, it will not hit the next). I'm going to assume that the distance between lamps is the same as their height (in practice, it will be more).

5) The various examples given have over 20 lamps (but still not at the vanishing point). So, the 21st lamp will be 20 * 3,100 = 62,000 miles away - at least..

6) The sun travelling 62,000 miles in a straight line contradicts the start of the video that claims it moves in a circle at constant height above the earth.

7) But lets keep going with the sun travelling further and further away so that perspective can explain why it appears to be close to the horizon. At just over 1,040 mph, it would take 3 hours to travel from one lamp post to the next (remember, the lamp posts represent the position of the sun). OK, to be exact, 44 seconds short of 3 hours - but that assumes the lamp posts are 3,100 apart - the same as their height (the sun is 3,100 miles above the earth).

What if the sun did magically switch to going in a straight line?

8) At midday, the sun is represented by the nearest lamp post. At 3pm, by the 2nd, 6pm, by the 3rd. On the equator this will be dust. But lets assume the summer in England. So, by 9pm, the sun will be at the 4th lamp post.

9) Now, it will have to move to at least the 20th lamp post to appear to be near the horizon. So, another 15 lamp posts. Or 46,500 miles.

10) Sunset takes about 2 to 5 minutes. This means the sun must move from the position of the 4th lamp post to at least the 20th in 2 to 5 minutes. So, an average of somewhere between over 500,000 mph to over 1 million mph. And the sun will still be visible.

11) Perhaps the atmosphere absorbs the light such that the sun cannot be seen a long distance before the 20th lamp post. If that was the case, then you would stop seeing the sun before it appeared to be at the horizon (due to perspective). So, if perspective explains the sun setting, you must still be able to see it at this big distance.

12) If the sun has zoomed off into the distance, far enough that perspective makes it appear to be at the horizon, then it cannot be overhead for areas 6 hours later time zone.

13) It does not explain how you can lie down and watch the sun set. Then stand up and watch the sun set again.

14) It does not explain how if the sun is setting for you, then for someone 1000 miles further East, it will be night time - no sun visible.

15) If the sun is a spotlight and daytime only happens for areas lit by the spotlight, then the point at which it changes from light to dark, the sun will still be overhead in the sky - it will not appear to be anywhere near the horizon.

Conclusion - perspective cannot explain sunset (or sunrise).

Does that make sense?

HantsUK said:

Does that make sense?

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The short of it - Not really But neither does a tilting spinning earth orbiting the sun.