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Ah, there's the word... The word that solves everything for this issue.. However, it is empty and void of substance.Refraction.
So, you don't want to explain why we can actually see things... in plain site that should be over the curve of the globe... if it is the size we are told?
You want to ignore these facts? I mean really.. If the ships go over the curve.. so be it.. But if they don't and are actually visible and can be photographed.. Or, mountain ranges, hundreds of miles away, are perfectly visible... and you want to say it's like the moon in the sky?
That's like seeing a moose walking across a lake, taking a picture of it and then someone denying it and saying that there are no moose here.
Who is denying facts now?
I'm not a believer of the FE.. but, their model is a "round" disk. That's biblical. The bible never states "sphere" or "ball"..Flat earth believers go 'round' and 'round' trying to make the earth flat!
From what I understand, the G5 internet is high frequency waves and due to this, needs repeaters very close together.Microwaves don't go far enough. If the earth was flat, you would not see microwave dishes all over the place. Microwaves simply head off into outer space because they travel perfectly straight.
It does for the odd exceptions such as the "Black Swan". The image used by Flat Earthers themselves clearly show the distortion that often accompanies refraction, since the atmosphere is not a perfect lens.Ah, there's the word... The word that solves everything for this issue.. However, it is empty and void of substance.
Refraction would change with temperature and humidity. It causes images to invert... It does not explain the true dimension and orientation of the topographical features shown in the visual reality of these photos and videos. They would be chance sightings..
So, I would disagree with your excuse.
I have a question. What do you personally "experience" that proves or even suggests a globe sphere earth?Ok. This proposition assumes that everything is being made up, while God's creation is a flat earth.
I 100% agree that we have to respond to what our senses tell us is true and real, or else we get very hurt and damaged. As a young child you soon learn the stairs looks very steep and you can fall down them even if you may think they are not there.
So because I am a weaker brother than yourself, please can you show me how I am going to discover the world is flat, when everything I know and experience tells me otherwise?
Unfortunately though I will see through other peoples eyes, if they are delusional, I have no choice but to conclude they are just delusional. Unfortunately delusions have a way of becoming more and more extreme, because nothing can stop them running away. God bless you
It does not matter what you believe, what matters if what you can support by evidence. Most of the time Flat Earthers only demonstrate that at best they do not understand the evidence.I'm not a believer of the FE.. but, their model is a "round" disk. That's biblical. The bible never states "sphere" or "ball"..
I believe that something is wrong with our accepted model.
Sunrise and sunset.I have a question. What do you personally "experience" that proves or even suggests a globe sphere earth?
I cannot tell one way or another if it is flat or spherical and it would not affect my life in anyway if it was one and not the other.
So, what is your personal experience that suggests a globe?
So, you don't want to explain why we can actually see things... in plain site that should be over the curve of the globe... if it is the size we are told?
You want to ignore these facts? I mean really.. If the ships go over the curve.. so be it.. But if they don't and are actually visible and can be photographed.. Or, mountain ranges, hundreds of miles away, are perfectly visible... and you want to say it's like the moon in the sky?
That's like seeing a moose walking across a lake, taking a picture of it and then someone denying it and saying that there are no moose here.
Who is denying facts now?
I have a question. What do you personally "experience" that proves or even suggests a globe sphere earth?
I'm not a believer of the FE.. but, their model is a "round" disk. That's biblical. The bible never states "sphere" or "ball"..
I believe that something is wrong with our accepted model.
That poorly focused work does not disprove my photo. If anything it still confirms it. Do you see the cement supports? Those are all at the same height, but even in that terrible video we can see less and less of them in the distance as it goes over the curve. You only confirmed your loss.
You would need to find a better video.
I may deal with the rest of your fails in the morning. But right now you still have lost.
They are visible, but it also looks as if more of them are covered up by the horizon. It is still a fail for you.Sorry, no sale. The cement supports are clearly visible until they get too small and unfocussed, but you can still see their distinctive grey tone all the way the the far shore.
Here's another 1 minute vid that squashes it:
As I said, there are hundreds of vids around. You can try it yourself. Get a decent zoom camera and a tripod, find a local lake, use Google Earth to measure between 2 points with a landmark on one side (of which you can check the height), off you go, measure your tripod/ camera height, do some filming, run it through the earth curve calculator, and presto! standard GE disproven.
I've been involved in FE since 2012, and geocentrism since 2008. This has all been done to death.
Have a look at the Lake Balaton laser experiment, where laser light was visible at 40km from a height of 1.5m. It's a highly technical experiment and you'd do well to actually research this stuff rather than shooting your mouth off about some random photo plucked from Google images, just because you're too afraid to confront the possibility that you've been fooled all these years.
And I will watch your videos as soon as you pay me to do so.
Videos often take too much time. I am not giving up my time for free.Sure, and if I pay you enough you'll say anything I want. I get it. See you.
Really working hard there brother, and I respect your efforts.
Such as? Until the space age, there might have been a modicum of excuse in believing some variation on FE. Even then, mariners knew better. There is no Hebrew word for sphere, which is as good a reason as any as to why the earth is not so described.I'm not a believer of the FE.. but, their model is a "round" disk. That's biblical. The bible never states "sphere" or "ball"..
I believe that something is wrong with our accepted model.
I am not so sure that most knew better back then. Many would may not have even asked the question. But just for fun let's assume that the writers of the Bible did not know any better and thought that the Earth was flat.Such as? Until the space age, there might have been a modicum of excuse in believing some variation on FE. Even then, mariners knew better. There is no Hebrew word for sphere, which is as good a reason as any as to why the earth is not so described.
There is no Hebrew word for sphere. There are enough proofs from observation, at least to convince the Greeks about 500 BC. I've seen the curvature effect documented by Greek sailors. I don't even have to be at sea (although I spent 3-1/2 years on a warship). I live near Port Philip, a bay roughly 70 km diameter. I can see Melbourne on a clear day. If I drive to a town further south, I can see only the top half of the taller buildings.Certainly, if you can't 'show me the curve', Biblically or empirically.
And, because we know its absolutely not in the Bible, falling back on observation and experiment, which are the best proofs, do you say, of GE?
You completely sidestepped the scripture and meaning of "the face of the world" part of my post. Why?
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