absolute impossibility theory

[SkyWriting]

Most certainly NOT. It's by observation, not faith! Of course there is a way to see he is on the right side of the road!

At night it's nearly impossible to tell if the ongoing traffic is completely on their side in time to stop.

I most certainly do! Those that don't shouldn't be behind the wheel at all.

Not everyone does. In fact, teens will turn off their headlights while driving in the country and assume that the ongoing traffic doesn't do the same. Then drive over hills on country roads, very fast.

And most people hardly slow down at intersections and just assume that side traffic won't T-Bone them as they pass through.
Though 1000's are killed that way. That's one reason roundabouts are gaining popularity. To cut down on traffic fatalities.

What do you think the odds are of your death by a traffic accident? 1 of 88. If you don't buckle your seat belt, you live double on faith alone.

 

[SkyWriting]

I was a Christian for 40 years. but only when I decided to look for him did I find that he does not exist. There is no evidence for god. The bible is a total mish-mash of iron age myths and has nothing to do with reality. Yes, you do have to prove his existence. But you, like all others before you cannot. You have no evidence. And that says it all.

He answered my prayer yesterday so you seem
unable to know what evidence I have.

 

[SkyWriting]

Actually I love learning. I also have a illegitimate question for you:

What makes you think that faith is a good determinant of truth?
In other words, how is faith a viable method for deciding what to believe?

By definition, faith is belief without evidence....<snip>

You need to study the definition of faith. Do some research.
Because your premise is wrong, what follows is wrong as well.
How many people would attend church if they were the only
person who showed up? That would be faith without evidence.

And if they did, odds are 100% that they had found evidence
somewhere else other than church.


People won't take a breath without a good reason.

 

[CabVet]

You need to study the definition of faith. Do some research.
Because your premise is wrong, what follows is wrong as well.
How many people would attend church if they were the only
person who showed up? That would be faith without evidence.

Oh, so we can surely say that all religions are true:

Islam: 1.6 billion
Hindu: 900 million
Buddhism: 350 million

And the list goes on.

 

[rikerjoe]

At night it's nearly impossible to tell if the ongoing traffic is completely on their side in time to stop.

No, it isn't. If you can't make it out, you slow down until you can, even if it means stopping until they pass. You don't just close your eyes and wish for the best...

Not everyone does. In fact, teens will turn off their headlights while driving in the country and assume that the ongoing traffic doesn't do the same. Then drive over hills on country roads, very fast.

And most people hardly slow down at intersections and just assume that side traffic won't T-Bone them as they pass through.
Though 1000's are killed that way. That's one reason roundabouts are gaining popularity. To cut down on traffic fatalities.

What do you think the odds are of your death by a traffic accident? 1 of 88. If you don't buckle your seat belt, you live double on faith alone.

Even more the reason to use observation and NOT faith. Faith is clearly not working, so observation and proper care is vital.

As I said, people that don't shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place. But since we can't prevent that, I always say "Trust no one. Observe and don't assume!"

 

[rikerjoe]

You need to study the definition of faith. Do some research.
Because your premise is wrong, what follows is wrong as well.
How many people would attend church if they were the only
person who showed up? That would be faith without evidence.

So, if two people show up, that is evidence? Not just shared faith? What if the second one is the child of the first that has been indoctrinated by the first? Still evidence?

And if they did, odds are 100% that they had found evidence
somewhere else other than church.

No.

People won't take a breath without a good reason.

You are kidding, right? Breathing is not a choice. You will breath even if it kills you.

 

[SkyWriting]

Oh, so we can surely say that all religions are true:

Islam: 1.6 billion
Hindu: 900 million
Buddhism: 350 million

And the list goes on.

Ya. I never even suggested that evidence or supporting experiences prove Truth.
We were talking about people believing without evidence, and I say "impossible."
People will not twitch their little finger without good reason to do so. Support, Evidence, proof, whatever.

Do I think they prove that God exists? Yes.
That we all understand God?

Humans are not actually well suited for understanding Spirit. Not in our present form. But just like the wind, we can see it's working and feel it's presence.

 

[SkyWriting]

So, if two people show up, that is evidence?

Yes. Shared belief is evidence. Maybe you're thinking of HARD evidence.
No, shared belief or experiences are not hard evidence in themselves. They might be. But not for sure.

 

[DaneaFL]

Yes. Shared belief is evidence. Maybe your thinking of HARD evidence.
No, shared belief or experiences are not hard evidence in themselves. They might be. But not for sure.

That one is going in my signature.

 

[SkyWriting]

You are kidding, right? Breathing is not a choice. You will breath even if it kills you.

People do lots of things to kill themselves.
A friend of mine held his breath till he died.

 

[SkyWriting]

That one is going in my signature.

You do what gives you pleasure!
Any other topics?

Edit: HEY! You promised!

 

[SkyWriting]

No, it isn't. If you can't make it out, you slow down until you can, even if it means stopping until they pass. You don't just close your eyes and wish for the best...

THAT won't help. You don't know if they will be awake when they get to you. Thousands die from sleep deprivation accidents every week. And drunks might not even know you're on the road! And people have seizures all the time. Diabetics have no clue and plow into others all the time.

People live by blind faith all day long. They even assume they'll be alive tomorrow. All on faith.

 

[Loudmouth]

You need to study the definition of faith. Do some research.
Because your premise is wrong, what follows is wrong as well.
How many people would attend church if they were the only
person who showed up? That would be faith without evidence.

So if a bunch of people use snake-oil then that is evidence that it really works?

Step right this way . . . I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[SkyWriting]

So if a bunch of people use snake-oil then that is evidence that it really works? Step right this way . . . I have a bridge to sell you.

If they use it and it helps and they return every week for more,
and support it with money every week?

Not 100%. But the odds are in your favor.
I use Amazon reviews for almost everything I buy.
I read both the positive, and the negative reviews
and make my decision.

The attitude of non-theists convinced me to become a Theist
even though the actions of "believers" kept me away for decades.
It turns out that many who attend church are not actually believers.
But that's a good place for non-believers as well as believers.

 

[And-U-Say]

I was looking on the internet for the Impossibility Theory. I could not find one. The only theory I could find was called the Absolute Impossibility Theory. It sounded very much like Poe's Law named by Nathan. The law is that there is NOTHING, Absolutely Nothing that somebody somewhere will not believe. In fact the more absurd the idea, the better the chance is that you will find someone to believe what most would consider to be impossible. Something maybe impossible but in all of science there is no absolute impossibility.

Religion is based on absolutes and there are impossibilities. For example, it is impossible for God to lie. He can not do anything that would contradict Himself.

There would actually have to be a god before we could begin to discuss whether he would lie.

And frankly, if he does exist, he certainly doesn't tell the truth. Get the most devoted and spiritual representative from each of the ten most popular christian denominations and put them in a room. Now try to get then to agree on some things regarding their own religion.

They won't.

There will be violent disagreement on the fundamental aspects of what they believe about Jesus, heaven, god, and all manner of other things. And each and every one of them will claim they are right because the holy spirit told them so.

Either god does not exist, or he tells each denomination something different. In other words, he lies.

 

[And-U-Say]

If they use it and it helps and they return every week for more,
and support it with money every week?

Not 100%. But the odds are in your favor.
I use Amazon reviews for almost everything I buy.
I read both the positive, and the negative reviews
and make my decision.

The attitude of non-theists convinced me to become a Theist
even though the actions of "believers" kept me away for decades.
It turns out that many who attend church are not actually believers.
But that's a good place for non-believers as well as believers.

You mean, like homeopathy? Astrology? Acupuncture? Truthers? New Age mystics? Muslims? Hindus? Moon landing hoaxers?

Looks to me like you have poor company. You are losing your case.

 

[Jamin4422]

Now try to get then to agree on some things regarding their own religion.

Heard that from my dad all my life. It does not matter what religious people say about the Bible. The question is what does Science have to say about the Bible. Because this is a science forum, so that is what we talk about. We talk about what we can provide scientific evidence for. If there is no scientific evidence then that is faith based and science has nothing to say about that one way or the other. They would be wasting their time because they can not prove it or disprove it. Because to approve or disapprove is not science.

 

[Jamin4422]

You are losing your case.

Actually you are the one that is lost.

 

[loktai]

How about a gravel road going over a hill? Do you always stay fully on the right side? Not everyone does.

Correct, some countries drive on the left.

 

[loktai]

We were talking about people believing without evidence, and I say "impossible."
People will not twitch their little finger without good reason to do so. Support, Evidence, proof, whatever.

Guess you haven't seen anyone with Parkinsons disease then...