Abrams Tank: ARAT-1 Explosive Reactive Armor ‘Fails’ To Save US-Origin MBT; Succumbs To FPV Drones

[Nithavela]

Nope. Looks like a dock or a wooden raft near shore. Most of the pics show him on shore with the Pike.
Here's where he kisses the creature!

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Please, sir, there are minors present.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Nope. Looks like a dock or a wooden raft near shore. Most of the pics show him on shore with the Pike.
Here's where he kisses the creature!

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Is this all to demonstrate how you are not "stanning" for Putin/Russia?

 

[Laodicean60]

LoL!

They actually did destroy M1 Abrams tanks. I am merely relaying a statistic of war.

Yes, they did, and your point? That stuff usually happens in war and that is not the only piece of equipment destroyed of late but the biggest, in my opinion, is the Swedish-made howitzer that got taken out. Do you have any statistics on Russian equipment destroyed on land and we all know what's going on in the Black Sea.

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

Yes, they did, and your point? That stuff usually happens in war and that is not the only piece of equipment destroyed of late but the biggest, in my opinion, is the Swedish-made howitzer that got taken out. Do you have any statistics on Russian equipment destroyed on land and we all know what's going on in the Black Sea.

Yes, lots of equipment.
The difference is Russia has much backup in equipment, and suppliers with Iran and N Korea. Ukraine's supply is dwindling. As for the Howitzer they only had 8; now 7.

However, I'll agree the ship loss in the Black Sea is not easily replaceable.

 

[Pommer]

Nope. Looks like a dock or a wooden raft near shore. Most of the pics show him on shore with the Pike.
Here's where he kisses the creature!

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Oh goodie, for a moment I thought he had simply walked out onto the water to fish.

 

[Gene2memE]

No MBT, no matter how well armoured or designed, is going to survive a sufficient application of high explosives.

M1's were lost in Desert Storm to Hellfire strikes, which is a 45 kg missile with a dinky 8 kg warhead. Other losses have been recorded to side/rear strikes from RPG-7s which resulted in mobility losses, forcing the destruction of the tank to keep it from the enemy.


The main difference in design philosophies between Soviet/Russian tanks and Western tanks is crew survivability. I'll bet you buttons to bullion that the crew of that Ukrainian M1 manage to survive that hit.

Meanwhile, Russian tanks appear to be engaged in some crude attempt to restart the Russian space programme by launching their turrets into orbit, generally via detonation of the contents of their ammunition carousels.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes, lots of equipment.
The difference is Russia has much backup in equipment, and suppliers with Iran and N Korea.

According to the Ukrainian ministry of defense, they have destroyed 11,000 Russian artillery systems.

Ukraine's supply is dwindling. As for the Howitzer they only had 8; now 7.

Ukraine had 8 *self-propelled* howitzers *FROM SWEDEN*.

The Czech Republic has provided 50, France 30, Germany 15, Italy 100+, Latvia 6, Lithuania 12, Netherlands 8, Norway 28, Poland 95, Slovakia 24, Spain 5, UK 50, US 18.

That just *self-propelled* artillery. The US has also provided Ukraine with 180 towed M777 155mm howitzers.

Ukraine's dwindling supply for artillery is in shells, not howitzers.

However, I'll agree the ship loss in the Black Sea is not easily replaceable.

And one submarine.

 

[7thKeeper]

Yes, lots of equipment.
The difference is Russia has much backup in equipment, and suppliers with Iran and N Korea. Ukraine's supply is dwindling. As for the Howitzer they only had 8; now 7.

However, I'll agree the ship loss in the Black Sea is not easily replaceable.

This is how you show you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[AlexB23]

And that bear bit was purely statistical as well?

I agree with you, 100% Desk Trauma. The bear bit from @Kokavkrystallos was not ever in the article, and not a piece of statistics (as his bear statement lacked numbers or percentage signs). A lot of folks on the internet in general post a link to a news article, and then decide to add on extra extraneous, highly opinionated comments that were never stated in the original article, which is misstating what the original article said. I try to stick to the statistics, hence why I started to summarize most articles here on CF. Both Russia and Ukraine have their issues, but people here blatantly attacking the West or any other country is a little nationalist.

Here are Ukrainian stats by Visual Capitalist

And Russian stats (soldiers only) by the Economist, only for 2022. Putin is forcing a lot of youngsters my age (20s) to go to war for his greed.

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

I agree with you, 100% Desk Trauma. The bear bit from @Kokavkrystallos was not ever in the article, and not a piece of statistics (as his bear statement lacked numbers or percentage signs). A lot of folks on the internet in general post a link to a news article, and then decide to add on extra extraneous, highly opinionated comments that were never stated in the original article, which is misstating what the original article said. I try to stick to the statistics, hence why I started to summarize most articles here on CF. Both Russia and Ukraine have their issues, but people here blatantly attacking the West or any other country is a little nationalist.

Here are Ukrainian stats by Visual Capitalist

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And Russian Stats (soldiers only) by the Economist, only for 2022. Putin is forcing a lot of youngsters my age (20s) to go to war for his greed.
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I live in the West, in America, but I also see a lot of prophecy unfolding. I also know the moral condition of America and Canada makes them ripe for judgment. God will use an entirely pagan heathen nation to judge in such cases, as He did with Israel.
On top of that I do respect Putin's pro family stance in his opposition to allowing the LGBTQ+ agenda to take root in Russia. Ok, granted, as soon as boys are of age they may be off to war, but hey, didn't we do that during Vietnam? My Mom used to scare the daylights out of me as a kid when she told me if this war keeps going like it has you might end up being drafted when you're 18. I think that might have even fueled my rebellion later around age 11-12 when I started siding with the anti war hippies and wanted to become like them because they looked "free."

I've lived with and around a lot of Russians, and they are people like all the rest. I enjoy some Russian humor that is clean and funny. Hence, the Bear, albeit that it was views as propaganda.

But if Russia actually invaded and was marching upon my state or county of course I'm going to fire on them if such opportunity arose, though I'm probably better at sabotage: same would go for any invading army, or terrorist, if I had the chance to do so.

 

[AlexB23]

I live in the West, in America, but I also see a lot of prophecy unfolding. I also know the moral condition of America and Canada makes them ripe for judgment. God will use an entirely pagan heathen nation to judge in such cases, as He did with Israel.
On top of that I do respect Putin's pro family stance in his opposition to allowing the LGBTQ+ agenda to take root in Russia. Ok, granted, as soon as boys are of age they may be off to war, but hey, didn't we do that during Vietnam? My Mom used to scare the daylights out of me as a kid when she told me if this war keeps going like it has you might end up being drafted when you're 18. I think that might have even fueled my rebellion later around age 11-12 when I started siding with the anti war hippies and wanted to become like them because they looked "free."

I've lived with and around a lot of Russians, and they are people like all the rest. I enjoy some Russian humor that is clean and funny. Hence, the Bear, albeit that it was views as propaganda.

But if Russia actually invaded and was marching upon my state or county of course I'm going to fire on them if such opportunity arose, though I'm probably better at sabotage: same would go for any invading army, or terrorist, if I had the chance to do so.

Well, if I was alive during Vietnam, I would be protesting the war, or at least avoiding the draft. Luckily, I am on ADHD medication, so drafting me would be impossible. I do enjoy this Russian car show YT channel called Garage54ENG (cos Top Gear UK ended), but the folks who run the channel do not have any political stance. I am okay with clean, apolitical humor, but the bear comment was political and divisive sir. So, if Russia is invading Ukraine, which it has been doing since February 2022, Ukraine has every right to defend itself, based upon your last sentence.

 

[variant]

Took them long enough to get the first one. Ukraine has had the Abrams for almost a full year now.

Russia isn't particularly good at this.

I'm not convinced it is even US reactive armor. (It could be.) The Ukrainians seem to share the same fascination with reactive armor that the Russians do. Western armored vehicles first show up in Ukrainian service with out them and then some with reactive armor show up. When they do the Ukrainian analysts always identify the armor as the Soviet/Russian type of ERA blocks. Perhaps they are missing similarities with US-type reactive armor an misidentifying it. I don't know.

No type of armor is impenetrable, just ask the operators of the equivalent Russian T90M tanks. (At least the ones that survived.)

Aside from the better engineering, and the focus on operator safety, and the better overall upkeep and reliability.

The main feature of the Abrams that makes it inherently superior to Russian counterparts is that it operates in the American military system which would have things like aircover.

When operated by the Ukrainians it is just a good tank. Strapping reactive armor to it might make it slightly more survivable but nothing can make a tank indestructible. We have flying penetrating explosives on modern battlefields.

 

[variant]

I live in the West, in America, but I also see a lot of prophecy unfolding. I also know the moral condition of America and Canada makes them ripe for judgment. God will use an entirely pagan heathen nation to judge in such cases, as He did with Israel.
On top of that I do respect Putin's pro family stance in his opposition to allowing the LGBTQ+ agenda to take root in Russia. Ok, granted, as soon as boys are of age they may be off to war, but hey, didn't we do that during Vietnam? My Mom used to scare the daylights out of me as a kid when she told me if this war keeps going like it has you might end up being drafted when you're 18. I think that might have even fueled my rebellion later around age 11-12 when I started siding with the anti war hippies and wanted to become like them because they looked "free."

I've lived with and around a lot of Russians, and they are people like all the rest. I enjoy some Russian humor that is clean and funny. Hence, the Bear, albeit that it was views as propaganda.

But if Russia actually invaded and was marching upon my state or county of course I'm going to fire on them if such opportunity arose, though I'm probably better at sabotage: same would go for any invading army, or terrorist, if I had the chance to do so.

Seeing a backwards religious kleptocracy as somehow morally superior to the US makes you seem backwards too.

Being mean to gay people doesn't make you morally superior, any more than being a racist or sexist did in the civil war times.

 

[Pommer]

Seeing a backwards religious kleptocracy as somehow morally superior to the US makes you seem backwards too.

Being mean to gay people doesn't make you morally superior, any more than being a racist or sexist did in the civil war times.

Apparently that “old-time religion” was more about the “old-time” than the “religion”.

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

Seeing a backwards religious kleptocracy as somehow morally superior to the US makes you seem backwards too.

Being mean to gay people doesn't make you morally superior, any more than being a racist or sexist did in the civil war times.

Where did I ever say I was mean to gay people? I don't believe in such antics. I'll speak the truth as to the danger they are in regarding their eternal state, but that's not being mean: that's caring about them, just as I would a drug addict, drunk, or any other sinner in need of salvation, of which I once was myself.

 

[variant]

Where did I ever say I was mean to gay people? I don't believe in such antics. I'll speak the truth as to the danger they are in regarding their eternal state, but that's not being mean: that's caring about them, just as I would a drug addict, drunk, or any other sinner in need of salvation, of which I once was myself.

You were praising Putin's treatment of the LGBTQ community. So, yes you value being mean to gay people. I am putting their treatment as a group in Russia diplomatically.

Personally I would take the wests comparatively lower levels of corruption as a moral barometer rather than fawning over state sponsored bigotry.

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

You were praising Putin's treatment of the LGBTQ community. So, yes you value being mean to gay people. I am putting their treatment as a group in Russia diplomatically.

The Russian court rightfully bans the international LGBT movement. That's mainly because the danger it is to children, when they try to "affirm" children very young whether they should "change genders" and undergo dangerous hormonal therapy and surgery.
From Wikipedia LGBT rights in Russia:

• Homosexuality was officially removed from the Russian list of mental illnesses in 1999 (after the endorsement of the World Health Organization's ICD-10 classifications). However, there is a movement within Russia to bring it back.[33] The Russian government have introduced new laws on 1 July 2023 to effectively reinstate the classification of homosexuality as a mental illness.[34]
• Single persons living within Russia, regardless of their sexual orientation, can adopt children. Russian children can be adopted by a single person who lives in a foreign country provided that country does not recognize same-sex marriage.[35] A couple can adopt children together, as a couple, only if they are a married heterosexual couple.[36]
• The Russian constitution guarantees the right of peaceful association.[37] Nevertheless, organs of authority in Russia refuse to register LGBT organisations,[38] and pro-LGBT advocacy groups have been declared extremist organisations and therefore prohibited from operating within Russian territory.[24]

Neither same-sex marriages nor civil unions of same-sex couples are allowed in Russia. In July 2013, Patriarch Kirill, the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, of which approximately 71% of Russians are adherents,[48] said that the idea of same-sex marriage was "a very dangerous sign of the Apocalypse".[49] At a 2011 press conference, the head of the Moscow Registry Office, Irina Muravyova, declared: "Attempts by same-sex couples to marry both in Moscow and elsewhere in Russia are doomed to fail. We live in a civil society, we are guided by the federal law, [and] by the Constitution that clearly says: marriage in Russia is between a man and a woman. Such a marriage [same-sex] cannot be contracted in Russia."[50] The vast majority of the Russian public are also against same-sex marriage.[43][51] In July 2020, Russian voters approved a Constitution amendment banning same-sex marriage.

(However, this is where it gets tricky) -
Public opinion in Russia tends to be hostile toward homosexuality and the level of intolerance has been rising.[39]

(These USED TO BE laws in the U.S.! )

The activism that resulted in changing the seventh printing of the DSM-II began in earnest in the wake of the Stonewall riots in 1969.[11] Specific protests by gay rights activists against the APA began in 1970, when the organization held its convention in San Francisco.[12] The activists disrupted the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. At the 1971 conference, gay rights activist Frank Kameny, working with the Gay Liberation Front to demonstrate against the convention, grabbed the microphone and yelled: "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."[12]

In 1974 the APA removed homosexuality as a mental disorder, in part due to activist homosexual psychiatrists who were coaxed to come out in defense of the radicals. These are the same people who in the 1990's marched in public saying "We want your children!" and in 2023 marches they were still chanting "We're coming for your children." They say it's just words, but how strange those words are now put into action when they are "affirming" little kids as an opposite gender, no gender, or a cat or a dog?

 

[variant]

The Russian court rightfully bans the international LGBT movement. That's mainly because the danger it is to children, when they try to "affirm" children very young whether they should "change genders" and undergo dangerous hormonal therapy and surgery.
From Wikipedia LGBT rights in Russia:

• Homosexuality was officially removed from the Russian list of mental illnesses in 1999 (after the endorsement of the World Health Organization's ICD-10 classifications). However, there is a movement within Russia to bring it back.[33] The Russian government have introduced new laws on 1 July 2023 to effectively reinstate the classification of homosexuality as a mental illness.[34]
• Single persons living within Russia, regardless of their sexual orientation, can adopt children. Russian children can be adopted by a single person who lives in a foreign country provided that country does not recognize same-sex marriage.[35] A couple can adopt children together, as a couple, only if they are a married heterosexual couple.[36]
• The Russian constitution guarantees the right of peaceful association.[37] Nevertheless, organs of authority in Russia refuse to register LGBT organisations,[38] and pro-LGBT advocacy groups have been declared extremist organisations and therefore prohibited from operating within Russian territory.[24]

Neither same-sex marriages nor civil unions of same-sex couples are allowed in Russia. In July 2013, Patriarch Kirill, the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, of which approximately 71% of Russians are adherents,[48] said that the idea of same-sex marriage was "a very dangerous sign of the Apocalypse".[49] At a 2011 press conference, the head of the Moscow Registry Office, Irina Muravyova, declared: "Attempts by same-sex couples to marry both in Moscow and elsewhere in Russia are doomed to fail. We live in a civil society, we are guided by the federal law, [and] by the Constitution that clearly says: marriage in Russia is between a man and a woman. Such a marriage [same-sex] cannot be contracted in Russia."[50] The vast majority of the Russian public are also against same-sex marriage.[43][51] In July 2020, Russian voters approved a Constitution amendment banning same-sex marriage.

(However, this is where it gets tricky) -
Public opinion in Russia tends to be hostile toward homosexuality and the level of intolerance has been rising.[39]

(These USED TO BE laws in the U.S.! )

The activism that resulted in changing the seventh printing of the DSM-II began in earnest in the wake of the Stonewall riots in 1969.[11] Specific protests by gay rights activists against the APA began in 1970, when the organization held its convention in San Francisco.[12] The activists disrupted the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. At the 1971 conference, gay rights activist Frank Kameny, working with the Gay Liberation Front to demonstrate against the convention, grabbed the microphone and yelled: "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."[12]

In 1974 the APA removed homosexuality as a mental disorder, in part due to activist homosexual psychiatrists who were coaxed to come out in defense of the radicals. These are the same people who in the 1990's marched in public saying "We want your children!" and in 2023 marches they were still chanting "We're coming for your children." They say it's just words, but how strange those words are now put into action when they are "affirming" little kids as an opposite gender, no gender, or a cat or a dog?

What it's like to be gay in Russia:

Insecure and isolated: The 'illegal' life of Russia's LGBT citizens

Draconian laws and repression are forcing Russia's LGBT community out of the country, but those who cannot escape face an increasingly grim fate.

www.euronews.com

Your support of state sponsored bigotry doesn't make you moral it means you like to moralize (there's a difference).

How gay people are actually treated in Russia because of their state sponsored bigotry is morally repugnant.

 

[Desk trauma]

These USED TO BE laws in the U.S.!

Yes, we have corrected that.

 

[Kokavkrystallos]

What it's like to be gay in Russia:

Insecure and isolated: The 'illegal' life of Russia's LGBT citizens

Draconian laws and repression are forcing Russia's LGBT community out of the country, but those who cannot escape face an increasingly grim fate.

www.euronews.com

Your support of state sponsored bigotry doesn't make you moral it means you like to moralize (there's a difference).

How gay people are actually treated in Russia because of their state sponsored bigotry is morally repugnant.

I didn't say I agreed with how certain things are done: I agreed with the laws.
However, we all know you can't really legislate morality.
Perfect example is Roe v Wade overturned led to violence, and actually more abortions.

I also don't believe homosexuality is a"western disease" as that article states. It is a SIN, and is world wide. However, I do understand the Russians point of view when they see the blatant abuses in America, and this page with a rainbow flag on the US Department of States own website?
Now I agree there shouldn't be violence against them. But when they speak of advancing rights, that also includes the agenda, of which there is.

As for there being "No Agenda" then what is this on the White House website? Now where would Russia possibly get the idea there's a western agenda or that it's a western disease?