About justice

[DogmaHunter]

Would you rather have your sins forgiven or not have your sins forgiven?

I don't think he's asking about what one would like. He's asking about what is just.
I'm sure pablo escobar would prefer not to be punished as well.

 

[Dave-W]

I see no reason to forgive a person who hasn't repented.

You mean other than being obedient to God?

"Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing."

I am sure the Roman soldiers did not "repent."

 

[Dave-W]

Isn't mercy (charity) without fairness an unfair behaviour? Can he be properly, fairly forgiven, he who doesn't provide with fair recognition of where truth and justice lie? Doesn't such forgiveness spread injustice?

Tht is not the right way of looking at it. Forgiveness has little to do with the offender and everything to do with the offended. Unforgiveness is an invisible barrier to our own forgiveness and well-being.

 

[peter2]

Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing."

Forgiving is not so difficult as making justice happen.
That's thé point i can't jump over.
How could those soldiers feel morally or christianly right without repentance?
I thank you for you gavé me through that example à path to explain myself more easily

 

[hedrick]

I think there's actually two kinds of forgiveness. The best kind is for someone who has repented. That forgiveness reconciles people. For someone who hasn't repented, forgiveness is for us; it gets rid of our bitterness.

 

[peter2]

; it gets rid of our bitterness.

Y es, but my concern is about the fate of this person that doesn't repent, for hé is one of my next relatives.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

You mean other than being obedient to God?

"Father forgive them, they do not know what they are doing."

I am sure the Roman soldiers did not "repent."

Because its said the Father's role was to organise the plan of redemption(https://www.biblestudytools.com/galatians/passage/?q=galatians+4:4-5 ) , then could you say the soldiers had "lost the plot" i.e. they didn't understand the situation and its part in the plan of redemption? But, who did?

 

[Dave-W]

Because its said the Father's role was to organise the plan of redemption(https://www.biblestudytools.com/galatians/passage/?q=galatians+4:4-5 ) , then could you say the soldiers had "lost the plot" i.e. they didn't understand the situation and its part in the plan of redemption? But, who did?

That is way off topic and entirely beside the point I was making.

Jesus forgave them with no repentance on their part. I could also have used the case of the stoning of Stephen. "Do not lay this sin against them." It is exactly the same thing. We are to forgive. Whether the offenders repent or not.

 

[peter2]

Has nobody any idea How could my concern from thé 26th post be appeased, apart from praying ?

 

[hedrick]

Y es, but my concern is about the fate of this person that doesn't repent, for hé is one of my next relatives.

I don't think we can tell you that. In principle people are supposed to repent of all sin. But I think most people are in denial of something. I don't believe God sits there with a list of every sin checking off whether we've repented of each one. There are certainly people who are fundamentally opposed to God's will, and don't care what they do. But there's a difference between that and people who have some sin that they haven't dealt with.

 

[peter2]

But I think most people are in denial of something.

I agree

. I don't believe God sits there with a list of every sin checking off whether we've repented of each one.

May be is it like a click on a computer for Jesus to separate the goats from the sheep..