Isn't mercy (charity) without fairness an unfair behaviour? Can he be properly, fairly forgiven, he who doesn't provide with fair recognition of where truth and justice lie? Doesn't such forgiveness spread injustice?
Would you rather have your sins forgiven or not have your sins forgiven?Isn't mercy (charity) without fairness an unfair behaviour? Can he be properly, fairly forgiven, he who doesn't provide with fair recognition of where truth and justice lie? Doesn't such forgiveness spread injustice?
I did write " hé who doesn' t provide with faire recognition..."Would you rather have your sins forgiven or not have your sins forgiven?
I see no reason to forgive a person who hasn't repented.I did write " hé who doesn' t provide with faire recognition..."
From my understanding of what Jesus taught about forgiveness is that it is unconditional. He said plainly that if we didn't forgive others, God will not forgive us. He never said that we should forgive only if the other person repents. It seems that His attitude is that we should forgive regardless if the person repents or not.I see no reason to forgive a person who hasn't repented.
First you seem to be confusing grace with justice. grace, such as in the practice of generosity, is not obligatory, else it's not grace. Justice is obligatory, even to God. Grace can be "unfair". Why are you generous more to one person, such as your kids, than to other people's kids?Isn't mercy (charity) without fairness an unfair behaviour? Can he be properly, fairly forgiven, he who doesn't provide with fair recognition of where truth and justice lie? Doesn't such forgiveness spread injustice?
Isn't mercy (charity) without fairness an unfair behaviour? Can he be properly, fairly forgiven, he who doesn't provide with fair recognition of where truth and justice lie? Doesn't such forgiveness spread injustice?
Forgiveness and justice are two completely different things. Forgiveness is a personal response to an issue. Justice is society's response to an issue.
Forgiving someone does not remove that someone from their obligations toward justice.
I see no reason to forgive a person who hasn't repented.
I would just add Jesus said nothing to the insulting malefactor, whereas hé did to the other one..it came to my mind while trying to sleepFrom my understanding of what Jesus taught about forgiveness is that it is unconditional.
Yes, but how do you cope with a long-term wrong that lasts until when you don't know ?course, you will never forget the wrong that has been done to you and the scars will remain for some time. It do
That really doesn't have anything to do with the issue at hand. Justice and forgiveness are still two different things.I would just add Jesus said nothing to the insulting malefactor, whereas hé did to the other one..it came to my mind while trying to sleep
It starts with forgiveness.Yes, but how do you cope with a long-term wrong that lasts until when you don't know ?
I speak of thé divine justice, for the other malefactor, he, speaks justlyThat really doesn't have anything to do with the issue at hand. Justice and forgiveness are still two different things.
Okay, but Divine Justice is not something we have anything to do with. Forgiveness is STILL something different.I speak of thé divine justice, for the other malefactor, he, speaks justly
I called this justice divine, for it was a matter of afterdeath. Yet it was our king, as man, that gavé the sentence from thé cross. Seems to me wé can imitate Christ as to giving à second chance to those who speak words of truth and justice, and as to not doing so with those who don't.Okay, but Divine Justice is not something we have anything to do with. Forgiveness is STILL something different.
I called this justice divine, for it was a matter of afterdeath. Yet it was our king, as man, that gavé the sentence from thé cross. Seems to me wé can imitate Christ as to giving à second chance to those who speak words of truth and justice, and as to not doing so with those who don't.
I agree, forgiveness is another issue, but related
Yet Jesus didn't rebuke the second malefactor at his rebuking of thé first one, i think it's not without signification.. I suspect it is taking too much from the passage to speculate on the fate of the first man since there was no fate specified for him
For Jésus spoke of his fate in afterdeath.I know nobody knowing someone else's fate before his own death.i assume then that Hé spoke so as the one that shall decide of everyone's fate at thé last jugement. Remember the woman wiping Jesus with her hair. Jesus replied to Simon her numerous sins were forgiven for she displayed much love.Besides that, just how do you see a relationship between divine justice and whether or not we forgive someone?
Long term is a relative concept. By long term are you talking about something approaching eternity or something more fleeting in its duration like say merely billions of years long?Yes, but how do you cope with a long-term wrong that lasts until when you don't know ?
I was speaking about à duration over which I have no power to increase nor decrease its length, for it seems to me it only dépends on the willingness of thé persons who began the wrong doing to stop it. I have no idea How long it may last, obviously.By long term are you talking about something approaching eternity or something more fleeting in its duration like say merely billions of years long?