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There is no such thing as hell, it is not even in the original language of the Bible. There are four words mistranslated hell.

The word hell really means just a pit or grave.

Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”
It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to concealThe word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar.
 
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The Greek and Hebrew words Hades and Sheol mean a pit or the grave, the Tetonic pagan word hell comes from an angel saxon word meaning to bury, you go to England today you can say I am going to hel my carrots they would understand you mean you are going to bury your carrots.


The word hell really means just a pit or grave.

Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.”
It is, in fact, because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om] . . . helan to concealThe word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar.
 
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The Greek and Hebrew words Hades and Sheol mean a pit or the grave, the Tetonic pagan word hell comes from an angel saxon word meaning to bury, you go to England today you can say I am going to hel my carrots they would understand you mean you are going to bury your carrots.
That is correct so there is no life after death.
That is why the scriptures say that their are no thoughts in death, you are just dead.
 
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My statement never addressed life after death, you are totally Wrong again. Explain to me the Tabernacle of David? You read my post.

That is correct so there is no life after death.
That is why the scriptures say that their are no thoughts in death, you are just dead.
 
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Originally Posted by it'sme
You have this all muddled up. Your thinking is in direct contradiction of this scripture.

Ecclesiates 3:19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity.
The bible concerning death that we are the same as the animals.
 
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Again this speaks of death of the flesh not the spirit, the spirit returns to God who gave it. Spiritual beings do not die, it is the flesh that dies, You so limit the truth of scripture with this mind set.

What is spiritual to you a ghost? Spirit is the mind of Christ not of the letter that killeth, you are killing God's Word for you by your limited hearing and seeing.


The bible concerning death that we are the same as the animals.
 
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theres a hell, if you die with your sin then youll go there. sin means in ancient greek- to miss the mark. You gotta remember, its a privilege to have life and if you know of Jesus but refuse to take the gift then your in trouble. Earths law system is different from Gods. It does seem harsh i agree but at the end of the day, what God says happens, if you dont like it than too bad.
 
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theres a hell, if you die with your sin then youll go there. sin means in ancient greek- to miss the mark. You gotta remember, its a privilege to have life and if you know of Jesus but refuse to take the gift then your in trouble. Earths law system is different from Gods. It does seem harsh i agree but at the end of the day, what God says happens, if you dont like it than too bad.
Though hell just means death, the common grave, there is no place. So it really doesn't matter if you are in God's favour or not when you die , there are no thoughts no work or anything. The only hope is that you are remembered by God and you get a resurrection , when that time comes. ( there are some that go directly to heaven to rule, but they are few)
 
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It is not of matter of like it, it is a big fat religious man made lie, hell is not in the original language of the Bible, For your benifit I will repeat one of my post.

Hell is a Teutonic pagan word. I do believe in the three Greek words Hades, Gehenna and Tartatus, and the Hebrew Sheol; but they simple mean the place of the dead.


New Testament reference by Ballantine (1934) which contain footnotes, marginal readings and appendages which point out that several key Greek and Hebrew words regarding Hell have been MIStranslated by such Bible versions as the King James Bible.

I have a list of Bibles which show the translations that contain the word Hell as well as the ones that don’t in the text is NOT exhaustive--we are discovering more translations all the time in which the translators did not feel justified in using the Teutonic pagan word Hell to translate the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek words Gehenna, Hades, and Tartarus.
You are right the word hell is not in Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic the language the Bible was written in; but it comes from an Angle Saxon word “hel” meaning to bury. It is more then a mis-translation it a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to in introduce the Teutonic pagan word

So why do you believe God would do such a evil thing to billions of his creation?

Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about haft of scriptures as hell, the other haft as grave
Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the gospel. This is the word the fundamental preachers love to use to burn up the sinner. They are the first to yell foul if something does not fit in context; BUT: Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem; a place of constant burning of refuge. Those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of God’s people. (how precious is this a type of purification outside of God’s holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified bf God’s holy judgment. This word is used not for sinner, murders or liars; it is used with the word “BROTHER”.

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.

Gehenna is not physical flames, even though Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem. Gehenna Judgment is actually spiritual in nature, it is the reaping of what Isreal had sown by killing the prophets and their children in the fire to Molech and Baal at Topheth and in the Valley of Ben Hiddom (later called Gehenna). God warned that He is the only God, there is no other like Him.







theres a hell, if you die with your sin then youll go there. sin means in ancient greek- to miss the mark. You gotta remember, its a privilege to have life and if you know of Jesus but refuse to take the gift then your in trouble. Earths law system is different from Gods. It does seem harsh i agree but at the end of the day, what God says happens, if you dont like it than too bad.
 
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What is this based on your imagination?

Though hell just means death, the common grave, there is no place. So it really doesn't matter if you are in God's favour or not when you die , there are no thoughts no work or anything. The only hope is that you are remembered by God and you get a resurrection , when that time comes. ( there are some that go directly to heaven to rule, but they are few)
 
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What is this based on your imagination?
John 5: 28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice .

The basic idea of remembrance involved in the original Greek words for “tomb” or “memorial tomb” also gives added meaning to the plea of the thief impaled alongside Jesus to “remember me when you get into your kingdom.”—Lu 23:42.
Lu 23:42 And he went on to say: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your kingdom.

Our resurrection, depends on God remembering us after we have died, Because there, are no spirit or soul or anything else after we are dead. There is only Gods memory.
 
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This proves nothing.

John 5: 28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice .

The basic idea of remembrance involved in the original Greek words for “tomb” or “memorial tomb” also gives added meaning to the plea of the thief impaled alongside Jesus to “remember me when you get into your kingdom.”—Lu 23:42.
Lu 23:42 And he went on to say: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your kingdom.

Our resurrection, depends on God remembering us after we have died, Because there, are no spirit or soul or anything else after we are dead. There is only Gods memory.
 
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I've not been on the thread for awhile, so I hope you don't mind me going all the way back to my last post and the few notes on it that followed.

Scripture says that the wages of sin is "death", not "endless conscious torment". In Eden, Adam was warned to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or he would surely "die"; God did not say if you eat of this you will be tormented forever.

And as noted in my previous post on Hell Disappearing from the Bible, there is not one word in Hebrew or Greek text of Scripture that correctly interprets as "Hell".

If not for the promises in Scripture that speak of the salvation of all humanity, the punishment of the lost would be death, annihilation, not conscious endless torment. Frankly, Hell, conscious endless torment, is not a Scriptural concept, if one looks at what Scripture actually says.

One of my favorite verses that promises the salvation of all humanity is Rom. 5:18 where Paul says that "Yes, Adam’s one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone." (NLT). It truly is by grace that we are all saved. The sacrifice of Christ has truly purchased all of humanity for God. We were all slaves to sin who were born in sin, but now some are and to come all shall be slaves of righteousness!

"For where sin abounds, grace does much more abound!"

it pertains to those who have realized their condemnation, and asked a holy God for forgiveness, and are covered with the blood of God's only begotten Son, Jesus the Christ, Who died for such as these.

God's wrath will come upon all who do not seek a holy God's forgiveness through His only begotten Son.

Actually Rom.5:18 says that just like Adam's sin got us all into this mess, the sacrifice of Christ gets us all out of it, bringing us all into right relationship with and life in God.

Concerning the wrath of God, yes, we shall all face the judgment of God, and His wrath concerning the bad things we've done. Judgment is based on how we actually live our lives. But Salvation is based on the sacrifice of Christ.

Eventually every knee shall bow in submission to God and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. Paul speaks of even the brother who has been given back over to Satan, was given over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, but so that his spirit might be saved. There is significant scriptural evidence that punishment in the afterlife is meant to be remedial.
 
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Scripture says that the wages of sin is "death", not "endless conscious torment". In Eden, Adam was warned to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or he would surely "die"; God did not say if you eat of this you will be tormented forever.

And as noted in my previous post on Hell Disappearing from the Bible, there is not one word in Hebrew or Greek text of Scripture that correctly interprets as "Hell".

If not for the promises in Scripture that speak of the salvation of all humanity, the punishment of the lost would be death, annihilation, not conscious endless torment. Frankly, Hell, conscious endless torment, is not a Scriptural concept, if one looks at what Scripture actually says.

One of my favorite verses that promises the salvation of all humanity is Rom. 5:18 where Paul says that "Yes, Adam’s one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone." (NLT). It truly is by grace that we are all saved. The sacrifice of Christ has truly purchased all of humanity for God. We were all slaves to sin who were born in sin, but now some are and to come all shall be slaves of righteousness!

"For where sin abounds, grace does much more abound!"

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Perish here is the Greek word apollumi. The word apollumi means destroy.

You are correct. apollumi does mean to destroy. The wages of sin is death, destruction. Jesus, Mt.10:28, says to not fear him who can kill (apokteino) the body but cannot kill the soul; rather to fear Him who can destroy (apollumi) both body and soul in Gehenna. As noted before, if not for the promises in scripture that speak of the salvation of all humanity, I'd believe that souls that are not saved are eventually destroyed, annihilated - not submitted to conscious unending torment which scripture does not teach.

Also, note that Gehenna was a rabbinical theological metaphor that spoke primarily of remedial punishment in the afterlife. A predominant belief among the Jews during the time of Christ was that most departed souls, especially loved ones, that were not ready for Ga Eden (Paradise) suffered judgment under the fire of truth in Gehenna for up to 11 months, purifying them until they were ready to enter Ga Eden. Jesus used this metaphor (Gehenna) in this passage; thus the "destruction" that the Jews would have understood Jesus speaking of was the destruction of the flesh, our selfish nature, the purification of our souls. And of course, Paul elsewhere reflects this understanding when he speaks of a brother being turned over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh so that his spirit might be saved.

Originally Posted by New Spirit Filled Life Bible
The NT uses the word to describe spiritual destitution. Destruction for the sinner does not result in annihilation or extinction. It is not the loss of being, but the loss of well-being.​

Apollumi cannot be referring to spiritual death/annihilation.

Annihilation from God's presence is not possible.

Psalm 139:7-8 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.


Ps. 139:7-8 speaks of the ominpresence of God, and in no way affirms that annihilation is not possible -- regardless of what the study note from the "New Spirit Filled Bible" says. I trust that you don't hold study notes in such Bibles as authoritative.

Concerning Romans 5:18, that means the offer of salvation is free to everyone.

That's not what Rom.5.18 says. It says that "Adam’s one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone." We were born already condemned to die because of the sin of Adam. In like manner the sacrifice of Christ leads to the salvation of all humanity. Jesus truly is the savior of all humanity, especially we who believe (1 Tim. 4:10).

Yes, we receive that salvation in this life through faith, but one day everyone will have faith in God, every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord.

Also, notice that 1 Tim.4.10 says "especially those who believe". The word "especially" is "malista", which means "most of all, especially, in the greatest degree, particularly" implying that we who believe are part (a special part) of the whole group (all humanity) who are saved. We who believe are saved in the present though most of humanity is not saved in the present, even though all of humanity is saved in eternity.

As noted before, if not for scriptures like Rom.5:18, 1 Cor.15:22, and 1 Tim.4.10 that speak of the salvation of all humanity, I'd believe that the lost are eventually annihilated, destroyed, burnt up by the fire of God's presence. But thanks be to God that Jesus took upon Himself the chastisement of our peace, so that we might all be saved! Hallelujah! And note that I use the word "might" in the previous statement to indicate the assurance of salvation for all humanity, and did not use it to in any way imply that some "might not" be saved.

Concerning the topic at hand - hell - scripture does not teach that God will suffer anyone to exist in unending conscious torment. In fact, not one word in Scripture can be correctly interpreted as "Hell", not Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, or Tartaroo. The word "Hell" is incorrectly interpreted INTO English translations of scripture. Sheol and Hades simply mean the grave or realm of the dead. Gehenna is best interpreted metaphorically as "the city trash dump" or theologically as "Purgatory". And Tartaroo, though a realm of punishment within Hades, is only said to be for sinning angels and only lasts until Judgment; thus is not unending and is not for humans. If Hell was a real threat, not some man-made threat, then surely such would be specifically mentioned in scripture, and not have to be "misinterpreted INTO" scripture.
 
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What about Abyssos?

Anyways, Tartarus and Abyssos are the same place. Hades was a symbolic reference to the lake of fire. Of course Hades is the abode of the dead! It was just used by Jesus to symbolically refer to the lake of fire. Gehenna was also a symbolic reference to the lake of fire.

Abyssos is not mentioned in scripture, to my knowledge. Concerning Revelation's "Lake of fire", scripture actually says that Hades shall be cast into the lake of fire; it doesn't say that Hades is the lake of fire.

Rev.14.10 notes that the Lake of fire is in the presence of the Lamb and the presence of the angels signifying that the lake of fire is a holy revelation of the sacrifice of Christ and God's benevolent provision for humanity. Furthermore, brimstone (theon) literally meant "divine fire". The Greeks and Romans considered fire not created by man - volcanic activity, lightening, etc. to be "brimstone", each of which gives off the smell of burning sulfur. Thus sulfur itself came to be called brimstone. And it is significant to note that brimstone was burnt as incense in pagan rituals for spiritual purification, as well as burnt as incense medicinally for physical healing. And of course, hot sulfur springs were well known for their healing powers. When one considers these facts, Revelation's metaphor of the "Lake of Fire and Brimstone" would have been understood and would best be interpreted as a place/event of the purification and healing of God that comes from the revelation of the Atonement of Christ and the Benevolence of God!

Lake of Fire and Brimstone = The Volcanic Lake of the Purifying, Healing Revelation of the Atonement of Christ and the Benevolence of God!

God Himself is a "Consuming Fire". Also, recall that Isaiah was purified in the presence of the Lord when a hot coal was taken from the altar and put to his lips, making him a messenger of God. In like manner, the Lake of Fire should be understood as a remedial event, burning up, destroying what is evil and purifying what is good and lasting. Of course, Paul also speaks of the judgment of God burning up the chaff of our lives, and purifying the gold and silver. Different metaphors, but all meaning the same thing - Purification!
 
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There is significant scriptural evidence that punishment in the afterlife is meant to be remedial.
Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”
Psalms 146:4 His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish.

There is no after life. The spirit or soul are not separate from the body, when the body dies there is just non existence.
 
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Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”
Psalms 146:4 His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish.

There is no after life. The spirit or soul are not separate from the body, when the body dies there is just non existence.

During the time of Christ, the two predominant religious groups of Jews were the Pharisees and the Sadducees. The Sadducees believed that death was the end of existence, no life after death. The Pharisees believed in life after death, that the souls of people either went to Ga Eden (Paradise) or Gehenna. The righteous went to Ga Eden (Paradise as in Luke's account of the rich man and Lazarus). And the unrighteous went to Gehenna, Jerusalem's city trash dump. The Pharisees, by far the largest group, believed that most people who went to Gehenna rose to Ga Eden after a season of fiery purification where they faced the truth of their lives. The rabbinical Pharisees debated over what happened to the especially wicked people; did they endure the flames of Gehenna longer than 11 months and rise to Ga Eden, or were they annihilated, or were they left in Gehenna indefinitely.

The point is, Jesus spoke of both Paradise (Ga Eden) and repeatedly spoke of Gehenna indicating that there is life after death for both the righteous and the unrighteous.

The passages that you quoted from Psalms and Ecclesiates need to be interpreted in the light of the type of literature that they are, Poetic and wisdom literature. They are not didactic in style and need to be interpreted accordingly; neither of which is meant to be interpreted literally. On the other hand, the passages where Jesus speaks of the afterlife, in many cases are meant to correct the doctrine of either the Pharisees or the Saducees. Jesus corrected the Saducees, teaching that their is continued existance after physical death. And Jesus corrected the Pharisees, indicating that we shall all face some form of purification in the afterlife (Mk.9:49); we shall all be purged by fire.

In fact, most of the time Jesus speaks of Gehenna, it is in the context of speaking to believers, warning them of waisting their lives, waisting the blessings of God that they had recieved, like in the parable of the talents. Even the best of us, the most righteous among us have things we'll need to repent of when we face the truth concerning our lives.
 
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During the time of Christ, the two predominant religious groups of Jews were the Pharisees and the Sadducees. The Sadducees believed that death was the end of existence, no life after death. The Pharisees believed in life after death, that the souls of people either went to Ga Eden (Paradise) or Gehenna. The righteous went to Ga Eden (Paradise as in Luke's account of the rich man and Lazarus). And the unrighteous went to Gehenna, Jerusalem's city trash dump. The Pharisees, by far the largest group, believed that most people who went to Gehenna rose to Ga Eden after a season of fiery purification where they faced the truth of their lives. The rabbinical Pharisees debated over what happened to the especially wicked people; did they endure the flames of Gehenna longer than 11 months and rise to Ga Eden, or were they annihilated, or were they left in Gehenna indefinitely.

The point is, Jesus spoke of both Paradise (Ga Eden) and repeatedly spoke of Gehenna indicating that there is life after death for both the righteous and the unrighteous.

The passages that you quoted from Psalms and Ecclesiates need to be interpreted in the light of the type of literature that they are, Poetic and wisdom literature. They are not didactic in style and need to be interpreted accordingly; neither of which is meant to be interpreted literally. On the other hand, the passages where Jesus speaks of the afterlife, in many cases are meant to correct the doctrine of either the Pharisees or the Saducees. Jesus corrected the Saducees, teaching that their is continued existance after physical death. And Jesus corrected the Pharisees, indicating that we shall all face some form of purification in the afterlife (Mk.9:49); we shall all be purged by fire.

In fact, most of the time Jesus speaks of Gehenna, it is in the context of speaking to believers, warning them of waisting their lives, waisting the blessings of God that they had recieved, like in the parable of the talents. Even the best of us, the most righteous among us have things we'll need to repent of when we face the truth concerning our lives.
That is correct Gehenna,is from the Valley of Hinnom, which was a garbage dump outside the walls. There a fire was always going. So the Jews understood what the total destruction was , anything that was thrown in there, was destroyed. So all the symbolism in the bible about fire and destruction and eternal torment , etc, had to do with the idea that anything thrown in that fire would be destroyed. NO life. Also the Jews never threw any live people into it, it was only dead bodies of some criminals or animals, and anything else. So this just meant total destruction.
Now the bible says that all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial, so that no part of the bible is less important or has to be symbolic.
Also the scriptures are inspired so they should not contradict one another.
The bible also says that there is no interpretation except by God. So what does that really mean? It means the the bible interprets itself.

Ezekiel 18:4 (Amplified Bible)

4Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine; the soul that sins, it shall die.(A)







Ecclesiastes 9:5 (The Message)

Seize Life!

4-6 Still, anyone selected out for life has hope, for, as they say, "A living dog is better than a dead lion." The living at least know something, even if it's only that they're going to die. But the dead know nothing and get nothing. They're a minus that no one remembers. Their loves, their hates, yes, even their dreams, are long gone. There's not a trace of them left in the affairs of this earth.

Psalm 146:4 (The Message)



3-9 Don't put your life in the hands of experts
who know nothing of life, of salvation life.
Mere humans don't have what it takes;
when they die, their projects die with them.




Matthew 10:28 (Amplified Bible)

28And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).

So all these scriptures say the same thing, when we die there non existence for us , ther is no difference from us to the animals.


Ecclesiastes 3:19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.

There is no life after death
This make sense when you consider Adam and Eve. They were not meant to die, they were to live forever. So why did they need something that lives on after death?
We also know the Jesus was the first one resurrected to heaven, so where are all the other ones like Noah, Job, Abraham, etc. They are just dead. No life, non existence. This means all of these scriptures are in harmony with one another.
 
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That is correct Gehenna,is from the Valley of Hinnom, which was a garbage dump outside the walls. There a fire was always going. So the Jews understood what the total destruction was , anything that was thrown in there, was destroyed. So all the symbolism in the bible about fire and destruction and eternal torment , etc, had to do with the idea that anything thrown in that fire would be destroyed. NO life. Also the Jews never threw any live people into it, it was only dead bodies of some criminals or animals, and anything else. So this just meant total destruction.

To the 1st Century Jew, the metaphor of Gehenna spoke of purification in the afterlife. Even today, traditional Jews mourn the dead for 11 months, but no longer, because to mourn a loved one more than 11 months is to say the person was especially wicked and needed more than normal purification before rising to Ga Eden (Paradise).

Another passage that speaks of conscious punishment in the afterlife is Luke's record of Jesus speaking of the rich man and Lazarus. And though Luke uses the word "Hades" to speak of the location of the rich man's torment (16:23) as being "Hades", it's likely that Jesus actually spoke of Gehenna and Luke translated what Jesus said, Gehenna, as Hades because it was the best Greek word to speak of the realm of the dead. And it's significant to note that the word "torment", basanos, is used which is related to the purification process of metal and the use of a touch-stone.

Gehenna, being Jerusalem's trash dump, was used as a metaphor to speak of punishment and purification in the afterlife. Jesus said such was so bad that it would be better to loose a limb or an eye and be lame and blind in life, than to be physically whole in this life and suffer Gehenna in the the life to come.

You are correct in that live people were not cast into Gehenna, but the dead bodies of the poor and criminals. Gehenna speaks of the destruction of that which is dead already. It speaks of purification, the removal of trash. From the story one can assume that Lazarus, being poor, was cast into the physical Gehenna, though the rich man was cast into the Gehenna of the afterlife.

Now the bible says that all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial, so that no part of the bible is less important or has to be symbolic.
Also the scriptures are inspired so they should not contradict one another.
The bible also says that there is no interpretation except by God. So what does that really mean? It means the the bible interprets itself.

No part is less important, but the various types of literature should be interpreted according to that style of literature; and as for me, I believe that some passages of scripture are more authoritative than others. In fact, Jesus often mentioned the "Law and the Prophets" because the Jews considered the "Law and the Prophets" much more authoritative than the other "Writings" like Psalms and the wisdom literature, Proverbs and Ecclesiastes.

One should also recognize that revelation is progressive; the NT reveals much more of the plan of God than the OT does. And of course, Jesus himself is the perfect revelation of God, even more so than scripture.

Concerning scripture saying "that there is no interpretation except by God", please reference which passage you speak of. And the concept that "scripture interprets scripture" is not actually true; rather, people interpret scripture. People use one passage of scripture to interpret another. For example, you've taken the passages in Ecclesiates and are using them to interpret other passages. Whereas the better approach, I believe, is to intepret Ecclesiastes based on what Ecclesiastes says, taking into account its audience, its original language, its overall message, its author, its style of literature, its cultural context, etc.

Ezekiel 18:4 (Amplified Bible)
4Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine; the soul that sins, it shall die.(A)

Ecclesiastes 9:5 (The Message)
Seize Life!
4-6 Still, anyone selected out for life has hope, for, as they say, "A living dog is better than a dead lion." The living at least know something, even if it's only that they're going to die. But the dead know nothing and get nothing. They're a minus that no one remembers. Their loves, their hates, yes, even their dreams, are long gone. There's not a trace of them left in the affairs of this earth.

Psalm 146:4 (The Message)
3-9 Don't put your life in the hands of experts
who know nothing of life, of salvation life.
Mere humans don't have what it takes;
when they die, their projects die with them.

Matthew 10:28 (Amplified Bible)
28And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be afraid of Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).

So all these scriptures say the same thing, when we die there non existence for us , ther is no difference from us to the animals.

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.

As noted before, it's important to interpret scripture based on its style of literature. Poetic literature is not interpreted the same as didactic literature, historical narrative, or legal code. And yes, it is possible for God to destroy, Kill, both body and soul in the judgment of the afterlife, if he chose to do so. Mt.10:28 is meant to free people from the fear of men, because God is far more powerful than humanity. It is not meant to assert in any way that God is going to destroy or kill people in Gehenna.

Concerning us and animals, there are plenty of differences between us and the animals. For example, we have some choice in how we live our lives; animals don't. The Eccl. passage you quoted was not meant to teach that there is no difference between us and animals, but to poetically point to the futility of life. "All is vanity" is the theme of Ecclesiastes -- all of life is futile, except loving and serving God.

There is no life after death
This make sense when you consider Adam and Eve. They were not meant to die, they were to live forever. So why did they need something that lives on after death?
We also know the Jesus was the first one resurrected to heaven, so where are all the other ones like Noah, Job, Abraham, etc. They are just dead. No life, non existence. This means all of these scriptures are in harmony with one another.

The word "first" does not necessarily mean "first in order or time", rather it can simply mean that He is the "first in priority". Concerning Abraham, Noah, Job, etc., Jesus said that God is not the God of the dead, but of the Living. (Mt.10:32). As noted in other posts, Jesus in this passage is countering the errant doctrine of the Saduccees "which say that there is no resurrection" (10:23), that there is no life after physical death; and Jesus affirms that there is life after death, that God is not the God of the dead, but of the living, affirming that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are alive, not dead.
 
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