abortions

[Mid]

This is an issue that burns me up. Women who don't want, and especially are not ready (in many ways) to have a baby feel that it's okay to have sex (even with contraceptions) Well, obviously birth control can break, so these people say 'hey, it's okay if i do this' because all they have to do is walk into a clinic and get rid of the embryo. That is disgusting, cruel, and irresponsible. Would someone kill their two month old if they decided that they did not want it? I certainly hope not. This slaughter has to be stopped. The government goes too far on this, and I question the moral values of the government to allow murder..... especially among babies!

I have to vent on this subject, someone that I know has gotten an abortion, and it kills me emotionally. I myself, had a good chance of being aborted and then my mum felt that I deserved to live. I think that everybody that considers this brutal and savage act should put theirselves in that baby's place and wonder what it would have been like to have had THEIR mothers abbort THEM.
Phew, I am going to end my venting here even though I feel like going on and on for pages.

 

[Kristy]

I agree When you abort a child you are killing one of Gods creations. He knew you before you were in the womb is what the scripture says so I dont see how it can be argued that they are not yet alive.

 

[budoka]

I believe that all human life is sacred, and 'casual' abortion is a tragedy. However, I'm more concerned for the lives of the born rather than the unborn because of the capacity for suffering.

In an ideal world there would be a home for every unwanted child (and probably far fewer pregnancies by unready mothers); society needs a broader solution than just clamping down on abortion. Prohibition would just drive the problem underground, endangering the lives of the mothers as well as their unborn.

My parents are professional childminders and come across many single mothers who are little more (emotionally) than children themselves. I know of couples who keep having more children despite being poor and unable to give the ones they already have a good life. I think prevention is better than 'cure'; too many women have too little respect for themselves and the life they are able to create. I'm not saying that men are blameless, but it takes two to tango and women should be made to feel empowered enough to say NO to motherhood if they are not 100% ready for it.

 

[ZiSunka]

I can sum up everything I have to say about abortion in one sentence:

Humans are not disposable.

 

[KeepTheFaith15]

MID ive been waiting for a friend like you cause this kills me too and you sumed everything up! im glad to meet someone who has a view on abortion like i do.

 

[JagSayon]

If you abort a child, you are violating the Commandment which says, "Thou shalt not kill". It covers everything from suicide, murder or abortion. I believe I mentioned this elsewhere but I forgot.

Jag

 

[strathyboy]

I agree with most of what has been said above. The only exception I can think of is if the mother will lose her life giving birth to the child. In such circumstances, I believe it might be better to save the mother, instead of the child.
Budoka touched on another problem. Many pro-lifers say that if you don't want the child, it should be given up for adoption. The problem is that there are far more children than homes willing to take them. An additional problem is that most who are willing to adopt are white parents, and they tend to only want to adopt white children. So we have a hugely disproportionate number of minority children in orphanages. I agree that a life in an orphanage is better than no life at all, but this situation must be remedied somehow.

 

[Mid]

It's so true, people should start being responsible with life. Many act as if unborn life and sex is like a candy in a wrapper. After you do it (eat the candy), you toss the wrapper (unborn child) away and not think one more thought about it. Yes, you speak so much truth there Kristy. When one aborts they kill something with a SOUL. Why would anybody want to live the rest of their lives with that knowlegde? Budoka, you bring up a VERY good point in saying that they have to do something more than just say NO abortions. One thing along with making it against the law would be to perhaps heavily fine people for pregnancies before marriage. Education on exactly what the abortion does AND effects. The United States is becoming far to 'loose' with laws like this, and too strict with ones that don't matter nearly as much as innocent life. When pro-lifers say give it up for adoption, they are not putting into mind the whole problem of over population of the world. What needs to happen is children should not be put in for adoption unless both parents are dead or sudenly become brain damaged do to trama and cannot care for children. I believe that this is the only acceptable reason for adoption. Otherwise, don't have the kid! Not wanting it isn't a valid excuse.
Take steps so that the whole pregnancy does not happen! It's quite simple, yet people are too selfish to follow through.

 

[tericl2]

Originally posted by strathyboy
I agree with most of what has been said above. The only exception I can think of is if the mother will lose her life giving birth to the child. In such circumstances, I believe it might be better to save the mother, instead of the child.

Let's let God sort that out and quit pretending we are gods.

Budoka touched on another problem. Many pro-lifers say that if you don't want the child, it should be given up for adoption. The problem is that there are far more children than homes willing to take them.

Then let's work to change financially and legally restrictive adoption laws and procedures. Wholesale massacre just doesn't seem like it should be a viable option.

An additional problem is that most who are willing to adopt are white parents, and they tend to only want to adopt white children. So we have a hugely disproportionate number of minority children in orphanages. I agree that a life in an orphanage is better than no life at all, but this situation must be remedied somehow.

Hmm, a good way to limit this would be to install morality back in our schools. Funny how hard it is to get pregnant if you don't have sex. And since a large proportion of these pregnancies are out of wedlock...well, we know what God has said about that kind of stuff.

Let's teach responsibility and not easy availability (of abortions, condoms, etc.)

 

[Hank]

I know I am gonna be flamed for this, especially in a Christian environment.

If a woman does not want the child, it is up to her and here conscious. It is she who does the feeding and has to deal raising the child, not the ones telling her to keep the baby; they will be long gone. One can say, well she should not have had sex then. Well it takes two to tango. No one forces the male to bring up baby, he is free and clear, well give or take a few pennies if the boy has an income. So she sinned once, now has to pay for the rest of her lifey not sinning again. Who are we to put our morals on others?

 

[seebs]

I guess this is something where, while I think casual abortions are a Bad Thing, I am obliged to admit that I have no idea at all when "life" begins in a moral sense.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Originally posted by Hank 
Who are we to put our morals on others?

Have a look at this, Hank.  It was posted in the Catholic forum.   Interesting that the photo on the website it bears a striking resemblance to  your avatar.

http://www.michaelclancy.com/

 

Michelle

 

[Mid]

Hank: Who are we to put our morals on others?



Well, who are we to say that a child must die because of the selfish mistakes of other? If not force our all our morals on others, at least teach them to love and be responsible to respect life. That is the most important moral I believe.

When you say :"If a woman does not want the child, it is up to her and here conscious', why should she descide whether it live or die? You have sex to have a child. You don't want a child and you can't contain your sexual feelings? Well at least refrain to the point where all you do sexually is touch. You cannot get pregnant like that, and you can relieve yourself. It's not like sex is unavoidable if you use your brain.

 

[Mid]

Miss Shelby, I see that you played that game on the recreation part of the forum and liked whatyou got for your name!

 

[Gerry]

Abortion is Murder-Not Birth Control

 

[Miss Shelby]

Originally posted by Mid
Miss Shelby, I see that you played that game on the recreation part of the forum and liked whatyou got for your name!

buttercup is kinda cute. diaperlips I'm not too crazy about, but you have to take the good with the bad.

Michelle

 

[Hank]

Originally posted by Miss Shelby
Have a look at this, Hank.  It was posted in the Catholic forum.   Interesting that the photo on the website it bears a striking resemblance to  your avatar.

http://www.michaelclancy.com/

 

Michelle

I can show images from other operations, what is your point?

 

[tericl2]

Originally posted by Hank
I can show images from other operations, what is your point?

I think the point is we are dealing with lives, real lives that matter.

 

[Hank]

Originally posted by Mid
Hank: Who are we to put our morals on others?



Well, who are we to say that a child must die because of the selfish mistakes of other? If not force our all our morals on others, at least teach them to love and be responsible to respect life. That is the most important moral I believe.

When you say :"If a woman does not want the child, it is up to her and here conscious', why should she descide whether it live or die? You have sex to have a child. You don't want a child and you can't contain your sexual feelings? Well at least refrain to the point where all you do sexually is touch. You cannot get pregnant like that, and you can relieve yourself. It's not like sex is unavoidable if you use your brain.

The woman in question decides also for the rest of her life.
You just wrote that she/him is weak in self-control. Do you think she is ready to bring up baby? On one hand society failed in stopping the sexual sin but forces the consequences.

BTW abortion in the US are legal are they not?

 

[Hank]

Originally posted by tericl2
I think the point is we are dealing with lives, real lives that matter.

When does life start?