Abortion

[dollarsbill]

But not everyone finds any credibility in your opinion.
Thinking it is ok to kill the unborn at 12 or 24 weeks has already shown there is not enough inteligence and the slipery slope has already started.
Why 12 weeks, why 24? Already the view has ignored the objective reality that all life starts at conception, whether 12 weeks old or 24 weeks old. Whether one thinks its ok to terminate it at 12 weeks or 24 weeks is just subjective. Why not 2 years? Sure the subjective criteria might not meet your thinking but so what, its subjective.

I won't be at all surprised when future technology detects that the unborn are truly human beings at conception. Will the abortion rights folks change their minds then? I doubt it.

 

[brightmorningstar]

A human being is exactly what you get when sperm fertilizes an egg. If it's not a human life then what kind of life is it? A dog, a monkey, an elephant, maybe a fish, human beings only produce human beings. Embryonic science has already established that the unborn is a human being. And since you have stated that "human beings" and "persons" are synonymous then all unborn human beings are persons.

Human beings have value simply because they are human, not because of some trait they gain or lose during their lifetime. From the earliest stages of development the unborn are distinct, living, and whole human beings. They are not part of larger human beings (like skin cells).

If you thought my statement was a fallacious conclusion, then tell me, exactly when does the unborn become a person? No one knows the answer for sure. Because science (which is measurable) cannot tell us when the unborn becomes a person (which is not measurable). And since we don't know when the unborn becomes a person, then it is better to error on the side of life then on the side of death.

Again, there is not need to convince anyone that the unborn is a human being, since embryonic science has already established it. And those that deny this are just fooling themselves. So since the unborn is a human being and a person then terminating the unborn can and should be considered the killing of an innocent human life.

 

[anunbeliever]

Jedi,
So as the life starts at conception and this both the life at 12 weeks and 24 weeks is still the life, abortion is killing the life. I think it is reasonable to call out a lack of intelligence if there is observable proof for it.

Are we talking about just terminating "life" or terminating a human? The extinguishing of "life" is not such a big deal. You do it when you step on an ant. I value a newly fertilized human zygote no higher than an ant. Others would disagree and i respect that.

A foetus at 8 weeks is a more serious matter. Its closer to human, but not there yet. Terminating at this stage should be taken seriously. Terminating after 12 weeks is more serious still. Terminating at 24 weeks is a major deal because a foetus at 24 weeks has a decent chance of surviving. That makes it human. I'd only advocate termination at this point if the mothers life is in danger.

Conversely to my view, some people dont have a problem with partial birth abortions of late term pregnancies. They say that a foetus isnt human until it draws its first breath. I find this abhorrent. Probably much like some here find abortion at any stage.

 

[tyronem]

I think other then for the health of a mother abortion is a cheap cop out of the reality of life.

However politically im pro choice.

Let me get this straight and repeat back to you what you just said.

You think that it is wrong to murder an unborn child, yet you are glad you live in a country where it is legal to murder that child?

 

[tyronem]

I won't be at all surprised when future technology detects that the unborn are truly human beings at conception. Will the abortion rights folks change their minds then? I doubt it.

Embryology has already proven at conception that unborn child is fully human. Every credible medical journal in print tells for a fact that the unborn is fully human

 

[Memukan]

Job creation. Tax relief. Less money spent on wars and more on the infrastructure. Easier/cheaper access to education and to childcare.

Yahshua said; the poor will always be with you........

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

Embryology has already proven at conception that unborn child is fully human. Every credible medical journal in print tells for a fact that the unborn is fully human

Human as in the fact that they have human cells, not in that they are equal to a newborn.

 

[dollarsbill]

To kill or let live, that is the choice.

 

[tyronem]

Human as in the fact that they have human cells, not in that they are equal to a newborn.

No, Human as in fully human.

God sees no difference between the unborn and the born. Repent of your opinion or you will face Hell for your support of the murder of the unborn.

 

[Ave Maria]

While driving to the dentist and listening to BBC Radio, abortion was being discussed. On the show the announcer stated that at latest count, there have been forty-five million abortions annually world-wide.

This is unbelievable and so sad. Many decry the loss of life from other means: wars, murders, etc., and all are tragic. But this number, forty-five million abortions annually is truly unbelievable.

So every year approximately 45 million babies are brutally murdered through abortion. That is sickening and so sad. Abortion needs to be outlawed no matter what the reason for getting an abortion. You can't do evil to bring about good so it follows that you can't perform an abortion to save a mother's life. If you do, you are committing an intrinsically evil act. Therefore, abortion should be outlawed no matter the reason. It doesn't matter if the woman's life is in danger, abortion should still be outlawed.

 

[Soothfish]

So every year approximately 45 million babies are brutally murdered through abortion. That is sickening and so sad. Abortion needs to be outlawed no matter what the reason for getting an abortion. You can't do evil to bring about good so it follows that you can't perform an abortion to save a mother's life. If you do, you are committing an intrinsically evil act. Therefore, abortion should be outlawed no matter the reason. It doesn't matter if the woman's life is in danger, abortion should still be outlawed.

Evil is only going to escalate in the next few years. Not only will abortion NOT be outlawed, it will be extended. The majority will find absurd excuses to legalize every atrocity imaginable.

The next stage will be involuntary abortion and euthanasia for the mentally disabled. After that, the harvesting of the disabled for organs. After that, legal toddler destruction on demand. After that, the legalization of all theft and murder against certain social groups.

There is no hope until Christ returns. This is the end. Hopefully the death of our civilization will occur quickly and mercifully.

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

Abortion needs to be outlawed no matter what the reason for getting an abortion. You can't do evil to bring about good so it follows that you can't perform an abortion to save a mother's life. If you do, you are committing an intrinsically evil act

OK, so you're telling me that you'd be willing to go up to a woman doubled over in pain in the ER from a tubal (ectopic) pregnancy and tell her that she will not be allowed to have surgery because it's a form of abortion? That she should just suck it up and take the chance that she will die needlessly? FYI, tubal pregancies have NO chance of going full term. The tube will rupture, after which their is a very high chance of the woman dying from bleeding, infection, ect. Can you please explain how allowing a woman to die needlessly (which is the true evil) is "pro-life"?

 

[tyronem]

OK, so you're telling me that you'd be willing to go up to a woman doubled over in pain in the ER from a tubal (ectopic) pregnancy and tell her that she will not be allowed to have surgery because it's a form of abortion? That she should just suck it up and take the chance that she will die needlessly? FYI, tubal pregancies have NO chance of going full term. The tube will rupture, after which their is a very high chance of the woman dying from bleeding, infection, ect. Can you please explain how allowing a woman to die needlessly (which is the true evil) is "pro-life"?

We live in a modern world with pain relief available that are safe for pregnant woman.

We live in a modern world where babies can be saved rather than aborted and the mother can be saved also

We live in a modern world where the murder of an innocent child is not neccessary.

You are wrong about survival rate of children in ectopic pregnancies.

I have written already on ectopic pregnancies here:

Pro Life and Ectopic Pregnancies