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lux et lex
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In your opinion they hold false theological beliefs. That's for God to decide isn't it? Pro Choice Christians are Christians none-the-less.
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zairsmith
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This is true Jesus says that a man is appointed death only one time then he will be judged...also the book of revelation clearly counters the disposition of reincarnation...we are to be birth of the spirit not again in the flesh...check out Paul Espesito. He is a Bible instructor currently conducting a study of revelation. GOSPEL STUDIES WITH PAUL ESPESITO. I RECOMMEND IT OR JUST SPEAK WITH YOUR PASTOR...ASSUMING U ATTEND CHURCH.
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brightmorningstar
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Lux et Lex,
The Bible says God knows people in the womb and forms them in the womb.
If you dont know that, how do you know for example that god doesnt want all abortion doctors killed and all mothers who kill their babies killed as an eye for an eye? How do you know? If someone took that attitude would you simply say 'thats for God to decide' or would you bring in your own morals again?
Very interesting remark. Is it up to God to decide whether He is love, whether Jesus died and rose again? Is anything in the Bible actually what God has said and done and decided?
The Bible says God knows people in the womb and forms them in the womb.
If you dont know that, how do you know for example that god doesnt want all abortion doctors killed and all mothers who kill their babies killed as an eye for an eye? How do you know? If someone took that attitude would you simply say 'thats for God to decide' or would you bring in your own morals again?
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brightmorningstar
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But this is just part of a plethora of liberal ideas we dealing that seems to dominate western based internet forums. Its a warning for the church.
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zairsmith
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I wouldn't say false theological beliefs....maybe misguided or misinformed beliefs since rather an individual is consider a spiritual being inside the womb or not is not a direct statement of God. I will admit that pro-lifers beliefs are based on inferred ideology of Scripture. Its what makes sense to us....that conception marks the journey of human life.
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brightmorningstar
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This is a false theological belief because the word says God knows the people whom He addresses, and forms them in the womb. There is no scriptural reason to propose when one has a spirit or not would change that.
As to conception, again its observably evident life begins there.
As to scripture, do we not even only have to go to Genesis 4
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.” 2
Same story.
As to conception, again its observably evident life begins there.
As to scripture, do we not even only have to go to Genesis 4
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.” 2
Same story.
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brightmorningstar
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This at least is a step in the right direction....
Right to Know - Comment and coverage - Press Release: Amendment to remove financial conflict from Abortion Counselling
Makes sense, of course if a compnay can make money out of performing abortions they arent going to try and lose business.
Right to Know - Comment and coverage - Press Release: Amendment to remove financial conflict from Abortion Counselling
Makes sense, of course if a compnay can make money out of performing abortions they arent going to try and lose business.
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zairsmith
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I see how one could view it as so, in the end our beliefs will ultimately be the variable that Earns us either ""well done my faithful servant" or "depart from me I know u not, you son of iniquity" all I know is I wouldn't want something like abortion determining my fate especially when its such a gray area for pro choice Christians...we as Christians are to be examples, now if God view abortion as a sin...then pro-choicers would be no different from a false prophet similar to the prophets of Baal who cut themselves in faith of a false god and were utterly misguided...I make this analogy because the prophets of Baal mislead a lot of people of Israel with the promotion of their beliefs if you are wrong about abortion can you imagine how many people you would be held accountable for...whew SCARY!
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brightmorningstar
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Did they not do child sacrifices with Baal? Isnt abortion a bit like that? I think so
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Oh no, Zairsmith, everything IN life is a gray area - EVEN Christianity in and of itself that's why there are Catholics and Protestants. Then their are different denominations within that sub-division as well. It all just depends on who u ask when it comes down to about EVERYTHING really. I think the only thing we can agree on is the air we breathe. Oxygen. So abortion isn't the exception. I was saying bc it is has so many diverse definitions LIKE everything else it is hard to define it as a Christian issue. After all, abortions don't just affect Christians. It WILL ALWAYS be a woman issue first and foremost.
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zairsmith
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I'm sorry I don't share the same sentiments...now I'm no saint but for me Christianity is absolute and God is a lot like the basic principles of mathematical rules...which states rather a statement is right or wrong...God is not gray friend God is black and white...either its accepted by God or it is not...Now just because WE aren't sure about it doesn't mean that God isn't. In fact, I will bet my life on it that God is very sure about his point of view on abortion... all I know is that if it is wrong I will not be condemned for promoting a false belief as the prophet of Baal was judged because I will not cosign this notion. If it is accepted by God then I'm not condemned anyway because its not a requirement for salvation. If it is wrong though, then pro-choice Christians will have some explaining to do when they are face to face with the Father because they would have led people astray using the image of Christ...since we are to be Christ like and all our ways and we are to submit our thoughts and beliefs to Christ.
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brightmorningstar
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arj1981,
grey area, what about the baby, it will always be a baby's life issue first and foremost
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brightmorningstar
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Good point zairsmith the exact time is 24 weeks in the UK, 12 weeks in most of Europe, and all kinds of different exact times
the exact time is 24 weeks in the UK, 12 weeks in most of Europe, and all kinds of different exact times
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Oh no. It went over her head again. Please address what I was saying to Sketcher about that gray area. I'll find the link so that I don't have to go down this road for another 2 more pages.
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zairsmith
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Once again...how does our simple opinion of the issue matter to God...???? God is black and white ...right or wrong. Either abortion is accepted or its not. Obviously, your opinion leaves out the idea that God may very well be in opposition to this and anything He is in opposition of is considered to be at war with His agenda. PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION: ALL I'M SAYING IS IF MY POSITION IS WRONG ABOUT ABORTION IM STILL IN THE CLEAR WITH GOD BECAUSE ITS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION I DONT NEED TO GET AN ABORTION TO BE SAVED. IF YOUR POSITION IS WRONG THEN YOU WILL BE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE BECAUSE WE WRESTLE NOT AGAINST THE FLESH BUT SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS AND IDEAS. THE FIGHT IS IN OUR MINDS AND OIR BELIEFS. ANYTHING NOT ALIGNED WITH GOD WILL BE DONE AWAY WITH IN THE END. SINCE ABORTION LITERALLY STOPS THE BABY IN MID PRODUCTION IT SAFE TO SAY GOD DOES NOT WANT THIS FOR ANYONE. IF YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THIS, THEN YOU WILL NOT JUST BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOURSELF BUT THE MANY OTHERS YOU HAVE PROMOTED THIS TO WHILE USING THE IMAGE OF CHRIST TO DO SO...PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TO BE SANCTIFIED AND THEREFORE EXAMPLES OF CHRIST FOR IN THE WORLD AND IF ABORTION IS NOT A PRINCIPLE THAT CHRIST ENDORSES THEN THIS MEANS THAT YOU WILL BE IN OPPOSITION TO CHRIST AND HOW CAN YIU INHERIT THE KINGDOM IF YOU OPPOSE THE KING?
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